Afghan Court Resists Karzai's Overture To Spare Christian's Life

The Telegraph (UK) ^ | 3-26-2006 | Tom Coghlan

[squarebarb]

thank you for serving your country in Afghanistan. So hwat happened to the guy?

[marron]

Why would they execute the one clearly sane man in Afghanistan?!

In the land of the blind, the one-eyed man is a mortal threat.

And, clearly, if we don't intervene, he's a dead man.

[Jack Black]

CNN: Dateline Rome. March 15, 35 A.D.

"Wolfus Blitzus here where administration officials have just announced the upholding of the condemnation of the notorious radical religious right wing militia leader, Jesus of Nazarath. In announcing the sentencing the governor of Judea noted that 'the center of public opinon calls for a severe punnishment for the crime of speaking against the supreme state'.

[observer5]

Perhaps its a good thing if this poor fellow is being executed, therby sending a wakeup call to the world...

about what a con-job has been pulled on all of us, regarding the so-called "nation-building" the US and EU is doing all over!

[PLK]

the fact that this man is sitting on death row for being a Christian should be everything we need to know about Islam

Bingo.

[Sometimes A River]

I wonder if the US or any other Western country has encouraged the convert to revert to Islam, like the court is demanding...

[oceanview]

a simple "unfortunate accident" for this judge is in order.

[marron]

so let me get this straight. isolation isn't working so conversion is the only solution. and if that doesn't work? kill them? you sound just like them. with respect to you, its no solution to turn into your enemy.

welcome to the new democratic and free afghanistan folks, this is what we fought for.

Actually, we fought to turn Afghanistan into the anti-Taliban. Our intent is for it to be a backstop against muslim radicalism. Democracy is a good first step, and we've done impressive work on that score. But obviously, democracy without freedom of conscience is merely a license for the majority to murder the minority.

So if we enforce democracy without going the extra step, we've accomplished nothing. Protecting this man is not a contradiction of our policy, our policy is meaningless if we don't protect him.

If we don't get it, our enemies do. They all know that Bush is a "Christian" president. If he, and we, stand by while they kill Christians for being Christians, this will mean that the Taliban have reclaimed the government with the help of Christian mercenaries.

[oceanview]

no matter what happens, you will never have an official US policy that essential says - islam is unsalvageable. no one will publicly admit it. perhaps quietly, some in the power structure will realize that the best form of government for these nations - is a dictator friendly to the united states, who squashes the islamo-crazies as needed, to maintain civil order.

I hate to say it, but it may be coming to that.

[Cicero]

I was looking at the larger picture, not the justice system in Afghanistan.

Every since Muhammed, Islam has been an expansionist, violent religion with an ambition to conquer the entire world. That went into abeyance for a while, but now it's back, and they have regained some of the means to accomplish their goal.

Unless you think it would be better just to knuckle under and let them enslave us, or treat us and our families with the kind of injustice you have seen in Afghanistan, then there are a limited number of options.

As I said, isolating them and building a fence around them is probably no longer practical. Killing a billion of them is not an option for most people, although it could happen if they start nuking our cities or killing millions of us first.

The third, and best, alternative is conversion, and that seems a bit more promising after hearing that 10,000 Afghans have converted out of disillusionment with their religion, even though they risk the death penalty for doing so. We are already trying Democracy as a kind of conversion tool, but that may not do the job. Christianity may be a more hopeful alternative, although it certainly won't be easy.

Conversion is not politically correct to talk about these days. But what are the alternatives?

[danamco]

Send them to Abu Ghraib or Gitmo for attitude adjustment.



They need more exposure to the Danish cartoons!

KEEP ON BUYING "DANSK"!!!

[HighlyOpinionated]

If you who say you are Christians were arrested for being a Christian, would there be enough evidence to convict you?

IF they kill this man, he will become a Christian Martyr and will be hailed as such by Christians everywhere.

If the Afghan Court allows this man to be set free and killed by the Mullahs, MSM and the entire world will see exactly what Islam is all about. And there will be no way to sugar coat Mr Rahman's "murder by Mullah."

It's a lose/lose situation for Afghan and Islam. And it's a WIN/WIN situation for Mr. Rahman, Christians and Freedom Loving People everywhere (whether Christian or not).

Even if he dies, Mr Rahman lives. (Philippians 1:20,21 - According to my expectation and hope; that in nothing I shall be confounded, but with all confidence, as always, so now also shall Christ be magnified in my body, wither it be by life, or by death. For to me, to live is Christ; and to die is gain.)

[pointsal]

so what the heck has been solved in this country?

The loons are still calling the shots.

[marron]

IF they kill this man, he will become a Christian Martyr and will be hailed as such by Christians everywhere.

The condition of his soul is not in doubt. It is the condition of our souls that hangs in the balance, if we stand by and do nothing. He has passed his test. We are confronting ours now.

[Prost1]

President Bush has missed the mark.

The call to arms and battle should and must be:

"Find a Terrorist, Kill a Terrorist!"

The prosecutor and judge are terrorists! They will kill an innocent man just because he believes differently.

If allowed to go unchecked, they will strive to impose their will, once again, on Afganistan, then Europe, then us. We must kill them where we find them.

[Hound of the Baskervilles]

"The third, and best, alternative is conversion,..... We are already trying Democracy as a kind of conversion tool, but that may not do the job. Christianity may be a more hopeful alternative, although it certainly won't be easy. "

I agree with your entire post 100%. Islam is as bad for Muslims as it is to the rest of the world. Islam is nothing more than bondage, slavery of the mind and will through fear. Muslims need deliverance. They need conversion both in a spiritial sense and in a political sense. We won't be safe until that happens. And I am glad we are over there in Afghanistan for two reasons. We cannot allow the Taliban to take over again and establish a base of terrorist operations against us. And also because unless we are among them, bringing modernization, leaning on them, pressuring them to come into the moderna world, and winning over the youngest generation, we have no other way to influence them. We cannot leave them stew in their own juice in thier part of the world, we have to be there keeping our eye on them for the sake of our own safety.

[ROTB]

>>Despite the risk, however, up to 10,000 Afghans have
>>secretly converted to Christianity in recent years,
>>disillusioned with what they see as Islam's overzealous
>>involvement in politics.

>This is a new piece of information, to me at least.

It's happening all the time.

http://worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=48926

[rudabaga]

i wasn't serving in the military. sorry if the "we fought" statement made that seem the case. i meant we like americans we. i was working as a lawyer helping the afghan lawyers and justice officials implement the new criminal procedure codes and get back to operating, in conjunction with military lawyers. in doing so, i had a number of clients. i would do the trials and the work with the afghan lawyers to teach them how you defend people (even guilty ones which was a totally foreign concept to them). the guy's case is still being appealed actually.

i have to say that sharia law can be beneficial in some cases. i know that sounds strange but if they actually hear evidence (unlike our case), they need lots of witnesses for certain crimes and that works well for defendants. we got a young couple out of doing many years in prison for adultery (they were in love but not allowed to marry), just by getting the families to trade some goats and let them marry. interesting place. but the corruption is extraordinary.

[ZULU]

If this man is executed, or if this idiotic Sharia Law is upheld, the western powers should treat Afghanistan as what it is - a defeated nation.

We should cut off all and any supportive aid and demolish whatever public infranstructure exists there. It should be bombed into glowing nuclear cinders.

Somebody with guts MUST stand up to these fanatics. They act and behave as though THEY won the war in Afghanistan.

My suspicion is the same thing will happen in Iraq.

The west MUST insist on equality for its beliefs and relion in the Islamic world or separate itself from them and expel all Muslims from our midst.

[Hetty_Fauxvert]

If we don't get it, our enemies do. They all know that Bush is a "Christian" president. If he, and we, stand by while they kill Christians for being Christians, this will mean that the Taliban have reclaimed the government with the help of Christian mercenaries.

I think you're exactly right. This is a test case. They want to see what we'll do. The Islamic countries think we are weak, soft, degraded, and unwilling to fight for our principles. Are they right? This case will tell.