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Anti-war Stance Is Right, Not Left
The New American (John Birch Society) ^ | February 6, 2006 | Gary Benoit

Posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:47 AM PST by Irontank

According to the wisdom of the day, the left is against the war in Iraq while the right supports the war. So why do The John Birch Society and its affiliated magazine THE NEW AMERICAN support the withdrawal of our troops from Iraq? Isn’t that the position of the hard left?

In actuality, there are fundamental differences between the left and us regarding the question of war.

Unlike the left, we do not believe any one man should ever be entrusted with the awesome power of deciding when to go to war. It makes no difference if the president is a Republican or a Democrat, a conservative or a liberal. The Constitution assigns to Congress, not the president, the power “to declare war.” If America needs to go to war, Congress should declare it.

Democrat presidents were wrong when they claimed that the decision to go to war was theirs to make, and President Bush is wrong when he makes the same claim. Mr. Bush’s acknowledgement of last December that “as President, I am responsible for the decision to go into Iraq,” overlooks the fact that this decision was not his to make.

Unlike the left, we recognize that the president’s powers as commander-in-chief are limited, as well they should be. Under our system of government, we have a president entrusted with certain specified powers; we do not have an elected dictator or a king. As Alexander Hamilton explained in The Federalist Papers (No. 69), the president’s authority as commander-in-chief amounts “to nothing more than the supreme command and direction of the military and naval forces, as first general and admiral … while that of the British king extends to the declaring of war and to the raising and regulating of fleets and armies — all which, by the Constitution under consideration, would appertain to the legislature.”

Unlike the left, we do not want to send our troops to war to enforce United Nations Security Council resolutions. Yet this is exactly what President Bush did in the case of Iraq, by his own repeated admissions. For instance, on November 8, 2002, the day the Security Council passed its Resolution 1441 insisting that Iraq eliminate its reputed weapons of mass destruction, Mr. Bush declared: “America will be making only one determination: is Iraq meeting the terms of the Security Council resolution or not?... If Iraq fails to fully comply, the United States and other nations will disarm Saddam Hussein.”

Even though the left supports intervening militarily on behalf of the UN, it opposed Bush’s intervention in Iraq because the Security Council did not pass a new resolution explicitly authorizing a military invasion to enforce Resolution 1441 and other Security Council resolutions. The irony is that the Bush administration, by launching an offensive war against Iraq, actually demonstrated it was more interested in putting teeth behind Security Council resolutions than the Security Council itself was.

Unlike the left, we believe in putting America first, which means minding our own business, avoiding foreign entanglements, and going to war only when necessary to defend our citizens and country. We should not be the world’s policeman. Nor should we spill another drop of American blood to wage the Bush administration’s “global democratic revolution.”

Using military force to right the wrongs in other countries and cultures dissimilar to our own is sure to backfire, even if the intent is sincere. As John Quincy Adams correctly observed: “America goes not abroad in search of monsters to destroy. She is the well-wisher to the freedom and independence of all. She is the champion and vindicator only of her own.... She well knows that by once enlisting under other banners than her own, were they even the banners of foreign independence, she would involve herself beyond the power of extrication in all the wars of interest and intrigue, of individual avarice, envy and ambition, which assume the colors and usurp the standards of freedom.”

Countries that mind their own business are less likely to be attacked than those that intervene in other countries’ affairs, particularly when those interventions come to be viewed as unwanted occupations.

Unlike the left, we believe that “to be prepared for war is one of the most effectual means of preserving peace,” as George Washington succinctly put it. This means preparedness by our intelligence services as well as the military against terrorist attack or military attack by a foreign power. Countries that are prepared are much less likely to be attacked than countries that are not prepared.

Unlike the left, we believe that in war “there is no substitute for victory,” to quote General Douglas MacArthur. Why, therefore, do we want to bring the troops home now? Why not win and then get out? Well, if winning means eliminating Iraq’s reputed weapons of mass destruction, there is no victory to obtain because those weapons do not exist. If it means toppling the Saddam regime, that victory has already been achieved. But if it means propping up the new Iraqi regime until that regime can stand on its own, that “victory” would be no victory at all, since that new regime is fast becoming another Iran, an “axis of evil” nation.


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The notion that the American government (1) can ever "create" a stable, democratic society...or indeed any society, (2) should send American troops to enforce UN resolutions, (3) should send American troops to "liberate" foreigners and either "make the world safe for democracy" (the leftist Woodrow Wilson) or "end tyranny in the world" (the conservative?? George Bush) is the type of idealistic, naive, internationalist notion more characteristic of those on the political left than those on the right
1 posted on 03/28/2006 10:28:48 AM PST by Irontank
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To: Irontank
I didn't know the John Birch Society was still around. They attracted my interest years ago only to lose me with society founder Welch's indictment of Ike as a "conscious dedicated agent of the communist conspiracy."
2 posted on 03/28/2006 10:33:26 AM PST by luvbach1 (Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Irontank
Pulling up a chair.
This should be interesting.
3 posted on 03/28/2006 10:36:32 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: GrandEagle

** popping corn **


4 posted on 03/28/2006 10:37:55 AM PST by eyespysomething
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To: eyespysomething

I'll grab the drinks.....


5 posted on 03/28/2006 10:39:07 AM PST by GrandEagle
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To: Irontank

The author seems to believe there was some form required in a declaration of war which simply does not exist. Congress declared war as much as it needs to.

America sends troops to support UN resolutions WHEN it wants to. But you probably know that though pretending not to.

People too dumb to realize that the President has done what he did in order to make America safer don't have much of a clue wrt National Interests, Foreign Policy or much else I warrant.


6 posted on 03/28/2006 10:40:46 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Irontank
I had many of the same opinions as expressed in this article...before 9/11.

As a pragmatic conservative, I don't believe in solving problems by putting "band-aids" on them, as liberals often do. After 9/11, I thought to myself, "What is the solution here? Kill those who attacked us?"

Most of them are dead.

"Kill or capture those behind the attack? That's done, and being done.

"Take out the governments supporting them?"

That's done to the primary government involved, and to the greatest threat in the Middle East. Saddam.

So, problem solved? Nope. The terrorists will still propagate; they'll still attack us.

Islamic Fundamentalism and the terrorists it breeds are all over the world. The root causes of the 9/11 attacks are much deeper than

There must be fundamental change in the Middle East and the Islamic World. Democracy is the only solution. Planting 150,000 American troops right smack in the middle of the Islamic world is the first step to major change.

It will take many years, even decades, to make these changes. It will not be easy, but it is the only solution. We can't build a fence around our country or screen every shipment. We can't pick and choose which front to fight on...we have to fight on all of them. Eventually, the free world must participate in the fight or suffer the consequences, which is the death of their societies.

The President had been consistent on the variety of reasons we went into Iraq. WMD's was just one of them. This battle has just begun.
7 posted on 03/28/2006 10:46:38 AM PST by rightinthemiddle (Islamic Terrorists, the Mainstream Media and the Democrat Party Have the Same Goals in Iraq.)
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To: Irontank

Extreme right spectrum politics are often tainted by obsession with "purity", constitutional or otherwise. Also, isolationist and paranoid tendencies are common. John Birchers don't see that the U.S. should use the U.N. when it aligns with our national interests or that "nation building" may coincide with self-preservation. It's "either" "or" for those in the zero sum game. In fact, it seems that the political spectrum in not linear, but parabolic, with its far reaches hard to differentiate. Is there really a great difference between Hitler and Stalin? The nuance of fascism vs. totalitarian Communism is somewhat esoteric.


8 posted on 03/28/2006 10:50:20 AM PST by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Irontank

It's a quagmire. The Birchers and Cindy Sheehan agree.


9 posted on 03/28/2006 10:52:44 AM PST by pissant
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To: Irontank

Whatever. I would give a more thoughtful response if I thought it would make any difference. But, since the author doesn't pay any attention or care about history, or the future for that matter, here is a link to a web site with some basic information he might have forgotten:

http://www.reasons-for-war-with-iraq.info/


10 posted on 03/28/2006 10:53:00 AM PST by faq
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To: Irontank
Countries that mind their own business are less likely to be attacked than those that intervene in other countries’ affairs, particularly when those interventions come to be viewed as unwanted occupations.

We also export our culture. We can mind our own business, and we will still get hit.

How does the anti-war right propose to deal with that?
11 posted on 03/28/2006 10:53:21 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: Irontank
The notion that the American government (1) can ever "create" a stable, democratic society...or indeed any society

Japan
Germany
South Korea
Italy

Those all seem pretty stable to me, and we spent a heck of alot more of our blood and treasure to remake those places then we ever will in Iraq.
12 posted on 03/28/2006 10:56:22 AM PST by A Balrog of Morgoth (With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
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To: justshutupandtakeit
People too dumb to realize that the President has done what he did in order to make America safer don't have much of a clue wrt National Interests, Foreign Policy or much else I warrant

Well lets see...in 1998, David Wurmser, who would become Dick Cheney's Mideast Advisor, wrote a policy paper entitled "Coping with Crumbling States: A Western and Israeli Balance of Power Strategy for the Levant"...in it he argues that, contrary to the claims that Saddam was a menace threatening the US...the "next Hitler"...Iraq was a crumbling state...the collapse of Saddam's regime was inevitable...the paper argues that intervention by Israel and the US can remake Iraq and the mideast in a way that will benefit the Hashemites and prevent Iran and Syria from benefitting from Iraq's collapse

Of course, the best laid plans of egghead intellectuals...Iran has no doubt been strengthened on the basis of the most recent election in Iraq

Meanwhile...what happened that Saddam went from a crumbling petty tyrant in 1998 to the next Hitler by 2002? Here is a good rule to follow...don't believe much of what your government tells you...they're usually lying and up to no good

Crumbling States

13 posted on 03/28/2006 10:58:12 AM PST by Irontank (Let them revere nothing but religion, morality and liberty -- John Adams)
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To: Irontank

1) So far, we've made excellent progress in Afghanistan, and laid a good foundation in Iraq judging by the very higher voter turnout.

2) You may recall that the UN was screaming "NO!" at the top of its global-socialist lungs, when our military headed into Iraq. That's not my idea of being of UN puppet or enforcer.

3) Promoting stability in foreign countries is promoting stability here. Exploding populations of desperate people in foreign countries don't just stay there.


14 posted on 03/28/2006 11:00:19 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: GrandEagle

I'll have the roast duck with the mango salsa...


15 posted on 03/28/2006 11:01:00 AM PST by alarm rider (Irritating leftists as often as is humanly possible....)
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To: pissant

What quagmire? Loopy agrees with loopy.


16 posted on 03/28/2006 11:01:37 AM PST by GovernmentShrinker
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To: pissant

LOL, and Saddam and Son's defense team agrees.


17 posted on 03/28/2006 11:06:10 AM PST by roses of sharon
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To: alarm rider

I don't have much of an appetite...


18 posted on 03/28/2006 11:07:12 AM PST by Philistone (Turning lead into gold...)
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To: Irontank
Even a cursory glance at history would show that it is often the "crumbling states" which are the greatest danger.
Somalia was a crumbling state which allowed Osama to take refuge and arm the warlords who eventually caused Blackhawk Down. Afghanistan was a crumbling state which allowed Osama to worm his way in and establish training camps for al Queda. Iraq was the refuge for al Queda when it was driven out of Afghanistan. Austro-Hungary was a crumbling state which brought us WWI. Russia was a crumbling state which brought us the Soviet Union. China was a crumbling state which brought us Red China. Thus your thesis is shot full of holes.

But I guess great thinkers see no danger in al Queda setting up shop in Iraq or taking it over completely thereby gaining enormous oil revenues.

It is completely delusional to believe Iran profited or was happy to see the recent elections in Iraq. The last thing it wants to see is a unified and prosperous Iraq.

Governments do not always lie and it was no lie that Iraq posed a danger to the region and to us. It is also no lie to claim that Iraq was part of the first WTC attack or that there were Iraqis involved in the OKC bombing.

Fortunately we have a President who was willing to throw down the gauntlet and declare that terrorists would not be safe anywhere including Iraq.
19 posted on 03/28/2006 11:12:44 AM PST by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: Irontank

For a group that was able to focus on the existential threat to America from the ideology of Communism in the Cold War, they seem remarkably insouciant about our current worldwide struggle with the Islamist terror ideology.


20 posted on 03/28/2006 11:20:36 AM PST by Unam Sanctam
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