"Concerned father", Kyle Moore
Posted on 03/28/2006 12:42:39 PM PST by Moose4
Hiding and terrified, some of those inside a Capitol Hill house where six people were shot dead during a post-rave party Saturday managed to call 911 for help, whispering to avoid discovery by the heavily armed gunman, authorities said Monday.
Kyle Aaron Huff, 28, taunted his victims at the home at 2112 E. Republican St., saying as he fired, "There's plenty for everyone."
Four men were killed in the rampage, but the most shocking revelations came Monday, when authorities disclosed that the other two victims were young girls: a 14-year-old from Milton and a 15-year-old from Bellevue.
The King County Medical Examiner's Office on Monday officially ruled Huff's death a suicide. The gunman shot himself in the head as the first police officer arrived.
(Excerpt) Read more at seattlepi.nwsource.com ...
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"Kyle and Kelley Moore said they allowed their 14-year-old daughter, Melissa, to go to raves as long she came home by her 3 a.m. curfew."
Just, wow.
Yeah, that, uh, kinda jumped out at me too.
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Those parents were asking for trouble in some form
Kyle and Kelley Moore said they allowed their 14-year-old daughter, Melissa, to go to raves as long she came home by her 3 a.m. curfew. Saturday morning, the ninth-grader never made it back.
I found this rather shocking. Not to say that the girl in any way "deserved" this, or that this was the reason she was killed. But to give your 14 year old a 3 AM curfew is madness.
"Kyle and Kelley Moore said they allowed their 14-year-old daughter, Melissa, to go to raves as long she came home by her 3 a.m. curfew."
Words escape me.....
Why did he hate them so much?
Wacko, left-wing, liberal-demokkkRAT-controlled Seattle. Explains a lot.
Thank goodness they had some rules around the house, I'd hate to think they would let their 14 year old stay out until 4 or 5 am.
Sure. Everyone knows that all the REALLY bad stuff only happens between 3 AM and 6 AM.
Not if the parents were at their own rave party.
Which is highly probable.
I hope her parents are charged with child endangerment... unbelievable... what parent, let alone what MAN would let his 14 year old daughter out until 3am at places where drugs and sex are basically a la carte menued?
I'm surprised that they hadn't changed that street name, many years ago.
Didn't the shootings take place at 7 am?
Telling a 14 year old girl that she is free to attend parties where people do drugs and that she can stay out until 3 A.M. is tantamount telling her: "You have zero value to me and I don't much care if you live or die."
They should be prosecuted for neglect.
I seriously doubt they feel guilty. I'm fairly certain they are blaming the Guns..
Screw poitics.. Geddy Lee gonna kick this guys ass!
... or maybe Alex would be better...
This was a bad scene, even before it became a crime scene. 20 and 30 year old males partying with 14 & 15 year old girls?
Jeremy Robert Martin, 26, shotgun wound in chest.
Suzanne Thorne, 15, shotgun wound in head.
Jason Travers, 32, gunshot wound in head.
Justin Schwartz, 22, shotgun wound in torso; gunshot wound in neck.
Melissa Moore, 14, shotgun wound in chest; gunshot wound in head.
Christopher Williamson, 21, gunshot wounds in chest and head.
What's a "rave" party?
ANd the guys that were shot in this house were 32, 26, 22, and 21 respectively. What parent lets teenage girls party with men this age?
Yep. So not only did this girl have a 3:00 am curfew...she was breaking it. And her parents were probably asleep in bed, unknowing.
When I was 15, I had told my parents I'd be home from a school-sponsored thing (a fund-raising carwash) at about 4:30 in the afternoon. I got home just after 6:00 that same afternoon. Oh, did I get screamed at. At 15. For being an hour and a half late on a Saturday afternoon.
And these parents are letting their 14-year-old stay out until 3 in the morning? "Oh, but she was so mature," they'd probably say. Yeah, well, she's dead now.
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>Wacko, left-wing, liberal-demokkkRAT-controlled Seattle.
>Explains a lot.
"No man! Like, guns kill people!"
/sarc
""Kyle and Kelley Moore said they allowed their 14-year-old daughter, Melissa, to go to raves as long she came home by her 3 a.m. curfew."
The killings took place at 7:00 am, so she had skipped curfew, the article sure gives loving attention to the weapons he brought, if you keep scrolling down they even give pictures and specs.
2112? What's that signify?
Yes, the shootings were at 7:05 AM. Apparently the girl had broken her already idiotic "curfew" by over 4 hours and no one had made any attempt to track her down anyway.
I agree - the girl was not culpable - but the parents certainly are.
Telling a 14 year old girl that she is free to attend parties where people do drugs and that she can stay out until 3 A.M. is tantamount telling her: "You have zero value to me and I don't much care if you live or die."
They should be prosecuted for neglect.
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Maybe the parents thought they were being tolerant and generous? From what I've heard of being a parent, it rips at their souls to see their child suffer.
Rules never made sense to me as a kid, especially since they seemed arbitrary. But if rules are explained in the context of love and protection, they would be easier to take.
And so sadly, they got it. My own daughter is 21 and is now too old for me to set curfews. She's reasonable, fortunately. But I encourage her that there's not usually a good enough reason to be out after midnight in proportion to the risk. My fear is that she will have car trouble... then further trouble.
You might have been yelled out for staying out late on a Saturday afternoon, but you're alive now, too. There's no guarantees about life and death, but good sense and reasonable behavior can help tip the probability of a longer and happier life your way.
I'm a parent and I would be absolutely derelict in my duty if I allowed either of my daughters to be out at a party where people take drugs until 3 in the morning.
It has nothing to do with generosity or tolerance - a 14 year old is not capable of making mature decisions in these circumstances.
Just because we can't prosecute the shooter? Yeah, I'm sure these parents haven't quite lost enough. They'll feel much worse in jail. That'll fix 'em, and sure be a lesson to... to... somebody...?
Yeesh.
I wish I had that kind of curfew when I was in high school. I could have really done some damage!
My oldest is also 21. She has her own place now and so far so good (keeping fingers crossed)
They certainly didn't parent like they had something to lose. A 3am curfew for a 14yo girl? Nuts! My 17 yo son has a midnite curfew. Period. I value his well-being and safety more than his social life.
He may have been on acid or some other drugs (at a rave, no) combined with the ravers being dressed in "zombie" costume distanced him from reality.
He might also have been a nutcase from day one. Tough to say.
No, because they committed neglect.
And, if convicted, it would send a message.
They'll feel much worse in jail.
They probably will, since they don't appear to have very well-developed consciences.
When you're a parent you'll understand exactly how egregious their conduct here was.
Even if I was such a bad parent that I let my daughter stay out to 3 am, I would have been out looking at for her when she was still not home at 7 am.
they basically took the attitude of: "Our 14 year old daughter never made it home last night. C'est la vie. Maybe I'll have pancakes for breakfast."
Methinks Mr. Huff was a Priest of the Temple of Syrinx.
Justin Schwartz was from Alaska
Probably the same thing America does to be hated so much by the rest of the world. /sarc off
A local radio station played the beginning of a Rush song, and then cut out, saying "we play today's greatest hits, NOT your parents' music!"
This made me feel old.
The girl didn't deserve this tragedy, but the parents surely enabled it.
I don't think all the parent-bashing is fair in this case. I had no curfew at 14 because I was responsible (already had a job - in MD you can work at 14) and also stubborn and insisted on an intelligent conversation about it with my parents.
I stayed out all night at times because I'm a natural born night-owl. Never did drugs and never got into trouble.
I realize I, and others like me, may be exceptions, but you can't just blindly blame parents when you don't know the full story of their family.
We do have freedom, guaranteed in the Constitution, to parent as we see fit. The freedom worked for me. Parental rules will not protect your child from random crazies like the guy in this story. In another scenario, it could have happened while she walked to the mail box at 3pm, or more likely if she were in a post office.
Think sardine-packed young crowd, pounding base, dancing lights, extacy (the drug), sweat and nudity all combined in one place.
Depending on a child's personality I can see a boy making the case that he will be responsible - I wouldn't buy it, but I can see the argument.
With a girl I know that whether or not she is as responsible as can be, she is target for people who would want more than just her wallet.
There is a crucial difference.
Ha, that sounds like a line from one of the Comedy (Network? Channel? Thingy?) "Adult Swim" cartoons - they're full of Rush references.
2112 is an (old?) Rush Album.
I just heard from my son who this morning found out one of his best friends was a victim of this shooter. Thank God, he survived and is expected to recover. Son's on his way to the hospital now to see his friend. It's strange to feel devstated and thankful all at the same time, I can't imagine how his friend's parents feel.
Here's some interesting information my son's gotten since he found out about his. Apparently the shooter sent a message to a local blog asking about rave parties this weekend. He was told about this one. He showed up and hung around and someone invited him to the party at the house. The letters NOW stand for "Nazis On War" and the thinking is when he got to the party, he finally got up the nerve to begin shooting. They think he had planned to shoot up the rave itself, but lost his nerve.
As a side, my son doesn't attend these events and the only reason his friend was there is because he knew the DJ. The friend went to the party as an after thought and didn't really know anyone there. He is lucky to be alive and thank god, he is.
I know how egregious it was, and yes, a 3am curfew for a 14yr old is ridiculous.
But what's also ridiculous is thinking that some civil infraction can possibly "send a message" to parents when having a daughter brutally killed somehow does not.
The side issue of why these people were out on the town doing whatever it was they were doing may be fun and interesting to talk about, but it is just that: a side issue. The perp in this case was *going* to explode somewhere.
It could have been another party, or a school, or the mall, or any one of thousands of places at any time of the day or night. These kids, whoever misspent and ill-parented they may be, did not *cause* this event. They were a target of convenience and it could have been anyone, anywhere, any time.
If it makes you feel better that you're a smarter parent than they are, then swell. But I tire of these demands for government parenting by proxy. I don't think we would find the state to be a better parent, even than these fools.
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