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To: Element187; Skooz
no the failure seems to be on your part, you obviously cannot get a clear and objective thinker such as myself to believe in a magic man in the sky....

You claim to be a clear and objective thinker - but a truly clear and objective thinker knows that using buzzwords, slogans and epithets does not constitute a coherent argument.

face it your religion is bullshit tribal stories told around a campfire...

I'd ping the moderator for your profanity, but I would much prefer that your response be kept on the board because it illustrates the childishness of your thinking.

Just for your edification: Archimedes was a member of a tribe (specifically the Archian clan of Corinthian Syracuse), and he came up with some of his key insights into geometry and mechanics while scratching ideas in the dirt in front of a fire.

So would you agree that mechanical curvatures and the equilibrium of fluids, as well as the differentiation of mass and density are to be disbelieved as well?

Is that truly the level at which you are arguing?

you can continue to believe stories made up by neanderthals 2000 years ago...

Interesting display of ignorance:

Are you saying that you are unaware that anthropologists agree that Neanderthals ceased to exist 29,000 years ago?

Or are you saying that Jews are Neanderthals?

Or are you unaware that the Christian Scriptures written 2,000 years ago were written by educated multilingual Jewish professionals in the most advanced urban environments of their day?

you know, back when the world was flat...

The earliest Christians knew the world was round - they were well-acquainted with the work of Eratosthenes. The early Church fathers referred to the world's roundness quite frequently. At this point you're just making stuff up.

if you bathe too much your skin will fall off ...

Now you reveal your utter cluelessness - ancient Judaism was known for its frequent ritual bathings and washings. And quite famously, one is intiated into Christianity through baptism. Do you know what baptism is?

Start discussing facts, instead of fabrications.

and you want to take their words for gospel???

Are you even aware of the etymology of the word "gospel"?

shows how you have no problem believing whatever mommy and daddy tell you ...

If I believed only what my parents taught me, I wouldn't be a Christian right now.

Of course - you don't realize how silly what you are saying is. To follow your logic, if someone's parents are scientific humanists then it is wrong to agree with them and scientific humanism is false because someone, somehere learned it from their parents.

you are a closed minded bible thumper and will follow lemmings off of a cliff as long as it tells you to do so in the bible...

As I said before, you can level as many personal insults as you like - I really don't mind in the slightest - but they will never prove your case.

If my viewpoint is so lemminglike and yours is so vastly intellectually superior, please enlighten my ignorance: make a case for "science" as you imagine it.

On the merits.

Jesus was no more the son of god than David Koresh or Jim Jones..

Again, just because you assert something doesn't mean you have proved it.

Since you're such an accomplished scientist, why don't you prove for us - scientifically, of course - that Jesus of Nazareth was not the only begotten Son of God?

We'd all love to hear it.

keep following this dangerous cult that leads to nothing but violence.

LOL!

Ah yes, those vicious, violent souls like Mother Theresa. And Dietrich Bonhoffer. And Albert Schweitzer. And Raoul Wallenberg. And Charles de Foucauld. My, how horrible if I were to become as bloodthirsty as such dangerous role models!

Shall I adopt the cult of science instead? And profess the peaceful scientific atheism of Lenin (5 million slaughtered), Hitler (12 million slaughtered), Stalin (25 million slaughtered), Mao (60 million slaughtered), Pol Pot (2 million slaughtered), etc.?

What a joke you are.

More people were killed in the name of science from 1920-1960 that were killed in the name of Christ from 33 AD to the present time.

Number of believers in "science" killed by Christians: 0.

Number of believers in Christ killed by believers in "science": at least 50 million.

BTW, thanks to Skooz for pinging me to your cowardly post in the first place, you gutless wonder.

37 posted on 04/03/2006 9:37:30 AM PDT by wideawake
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To: wideawake
Great stuff. However I'd just like to interject here and point out that using Stalin and co. as an alternative to religion isn't quite analgous. They were similar to Inquisition era Catholics in that there was an orthodoxy and those who didn't follow it were dealt with harshly. Therefore they were also following a religion so to speak. Their religion just didn't have a theology.

The wisdom of contemporary Christianity is the realization that you can't force someone to come to a certain set of beliefs. Something not practiced by adherents of Torquemada, Calvin's Geneva or the other dictators you mentioned.
38 posted on 04/03/2006 9:57:25 AM PDT by Borges
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To: wideawake

Correction: Modern Soviet scholars put the number of those killed by Stain at 40 million. The best estimates of those killed by Mao are around 45 - 60 million.


39 posted on 04/03/2006 10:05:37 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: wideawake

BTW, that is a major league butt whoopin'.

Well done.


40 posted on 04/03/2006 10:11:02 AM PDT by Skooz (Chastity prays for me, piety sings............Modesty hides my thighs in her wings......)
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To: wideawake
Hitler (12 million slaughtered)

Nice try, but Hitler was a fellow believer of bible, just like you.
48 posted on 04/03/2006 12:25:49 PM PDT by Element187
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