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To: doug from upland
The question always comes up: if there was someone else, why did McVeigh go to his grave proclaiming he acted alone?

Moreover, I'm PERFECTLY WILLING to accept that there was someone else involved, but I do not think less of my peers in Okahoma City and Denver, where there have been two grand juries and two petite juries and in all four of these cases, there has been no evidence that anyone but McVeigh and Nichols were the culprits. So I'm real hesistant to claim all these people are part of a "coverup."

39 posted on 04/03/2006 9:19:51 AM PDT by LS (CNN is the Amtrak of news)
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To: LS
I guess only McVeigh knew the answer to that. Jayna had 22 eye witnesses. Have you heard from any of them? No. Has Congress been willing to look at taped interviews/depositions? No. They is massive evidence that McVeigh and Nichols did not act alone. Nichols leared to build the bomb from al-Qaeda linked terrorists in the Philippines. Before that, he had absolutely no ability whatsoever to build the bomb that destroyed the Murrah building. READ THIS.
44 posted on 04/03/2006 9:27:56 AM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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To: LS
The question always comes up: if there was someone else, why did McVeigh go to his grave proclaiming he acted alone?

Who knows? Maybe to protect his family. I'm always astounded at how quickly McVeigh was executed. He set all kind of records with that.

46 posted on 04/03/2006 9:28:01 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: LS
there has been no evidence that anyone but McVeigh and Nichols were the culprits.

Try this audio clip on for size. It is about three minutes. It makes the skin crawl to think that these people are still here...somewhere.

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=1846269
57 posted on 04/03/2006 9:35:21 AM PDT by P-40 (http://www.590klbj.com/forum/index.php?referrerid=1854)
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To: LS
A careful culling of the evidence can lead to erroneous conclusions.

The Grand Juries (and petit) could only work with what they got, and it seems the FeeBIes were perhaps withholding information.

After Waco, and needing something to take the heat off of the Administration, there may have been orders to make it look as if this was a retributive act in order to take the wind out of any public outcry. It was effective, in that the association was made by media between those who were still concerned about Waco and the bomber(s) at OK City.

A lot of very patriotic Americans were slathered with the broad brush of 'potential' domestic terrorist and effectively muzzled.

66 posted on 04/03/2006 9:42:45 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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To: LS
What about John Doe #2? Did he vanish?

This story was written before they even started to investigate. Domestic Terrorism - you fill in the blanks.

Anything that didn't fit throw it out.
72 posted on 04/03/2006 9:45:26 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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To: LS
there have been two grand juries and two petite juries and in all four of these cases, there has been no evidence that anyone but McVeigh and Nichols were the culprits.

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Juries can only consider evidence prsented to them in court. In all these instances, the prosecutors filtered the evidence very heavily to obtain the (predetermined, IMO) results they and their masters wanted.

Read the transcripts of the McVeigh trial, for instance. Of the nearly two dozen eyewitnesses who saw McVeigh in OKC, none (zero, zip, nada) of them were allowed to testify.

Why? Because all of those witnesses had testified (deposed) that McVeigh had someone else with him!

88 posted on 04/03/2006 10:06:07 AM PDT by TXnMA (Allah is not the Creator. Allah is Shaitan in disguise!)
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To: LS
The question always comes up: if there was someone else, why did McVeigh go to his grave proclaiming he acted alone?

Perhaps McVeigh, who always thought of himself as a patriot, did not want to disclose information that would associate himself with foreign terrorists and brand him as a traitor.

McVeigh did serve in the Gulf War. However, he questioned whether he was doing the right thing. He said in an interview, ""I thought ... what right did I have to come over to this person's country and kill him? How did he ever transgress against me?"

"What did we do to Sudan? What did we do to Afghanistan? Belgrade? What are we doing with the death penalty? It appears they use violence as an option all the time."

Asked whether it is acceptable for citizens to use violence if the government uses it, he said, "I'll let my explanation stand for itself."

IMO McVeigh would rather be viewed as a patriot taking on the USG over Ruby Ridge and Waco than assisting AQ and Iraq in retribution for the Gulf War.

90 posted on 04/03/2006 10:15:09 AM PDT by kabar
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To: LS
why did McVeigh go to his grave proclaiming he acted alone?

To protect his jihadi brothers? To ensure that they could go on to slaughter more Americans?

175 posted on 04/03/2006 12:48:42 PM PDT by GiovannaNicoletta
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To: LS
two grand juries and two petite juries and in all four of these cases, there has been no evidence that anyone but McVeigh and Nichols were the culprits

Simple. Grand juries can only act on the information presented them! No evidence presented = no other culprits!

223 posted on 04/03/2006 3:17:41 PM PDT by Don Carlos ("Beer is proof God loves us". B. Franklin)
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To: LS
Moreover, I'm PERFECTLY WILLING to accept that there was someone else involved, but I do not think less of my peers in Okahoma City and Denver, where there have been two grand juries and two petite juries and in all four of these cases, there has been no evidence that anyone but McVeigh and Nichols were the culprits

WRONG! Read the 1st Grand Jury's Charges. Google it and read for yourself, but here is the most important part that shows your statement is wrong:

The Grand Jury charges:

1. Beginning on or about September 13, 1994 and continuing thereafter until on or about April 19, 1995, at Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, in the Western District of Oklahoma and elsewhere, TIMOTHY JAMES McVEIGH and TERRY LYNN NICHOLS, the defendants herein, did knowingly, intentionally, willfully and maliciously conspire, combine and agree together and with others unknown to the Grand Jury to use a weapon of mass destruction .....

386 posted on 04/06/2006 9:03:20 AM PDT by Yasotay
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To: LS
The question always comes up:

WHY HASN'T THE FBI DONE IT'S JOB AND FOUND THE OTHERS?

387 posted on 04/06/2006 9:47:17 AM PDT by Yasotay
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