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Waving Mexican flag gave the wrong message (Liberal AZ Star Knows Como Se Dice' 'BACKFIRED')
Arizona Daily Star ^ | 4/3/06

Posted on 04/03/2006 1:07:55 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana

Our view: Reacting to student protests, community is more sensitive about foreign symbols, in part because of 9/11 attacks

Tucson, Arizona | Published: 04.03.2006

When you want to relay an important message, clarity is vital. You don't want to send mixed signals or express your views in a way that can be misinterpreted or, even worse, seen as a threat.

We bring this up because protesters who have rallied against possible immigration reforms in the Legislature and Congress are apparently confusing a lot of people in our community.

In demonstrations and school walkouts in Tucson and other cities, the participants said they want to be contributing members of the United States. Then they shouted, "Viva Mexico."

They said they wanted to remain part of the American fabric. Then they waved Mexican flags.

They said they are willing to be assimilated into our culture and learn our language. But many of their placards were written in Spanish.

There were also American flags, English chants and English placards at these demonstrations. But if the goal of the protests was to sway people toward supporting immigrant rights, why risk alienating others with symbols and words that are not American?

When you are seeking allies, it helps not to create foes.

Concerning the student protests in Tucson, Superintendent of Public Instruction Tom Horne said Friday that flying the Mexican flag "tactically was a big mistake."

John A. Garcia, a political science professor at the University of Arizona, said the behavior of the protesters is understandable. Many Mexican immigrants and their supporters feel their culture is being attacked, he said, so they defend themselves by displaying that culture.

"Part of who they are is being attacked and denigrated. They're being portrayed as a horde coming across the border," Garcia said. "They are proud of who they are, but their Mexican side is being run through the coals." Immigrants in general are very proud of where they come from. In the recent World Baseball Classic, Americans of Mexican, Japanese, Korean and Dominican descent, among others, heartily cheered for their teams.

But when it comes to immigration, it seems that displaying a little national pride is counterproductive.

Flying the Mexican flag only gives more ammunition to critics of illegal border crossers who call them invaders. Shouting "Viva Mexico" and holding up Spanish placards sends the wrong message about assimilating into American society.

The use of Mexican symbols in U.S. protests isn't new. Chicano protesters in the '60s also waved the Mexican flag. When the late César Chávez was forming the United Farm Workers union, the Virgin of Guadalupe, a popular Mexican symbol, was prominent in marches.

The recent protests are different. Our community is more sensitive about foreign symbols.

Garcia said one factor could be the Sept. 11 terrorist attacks.

"The attacks increased feelings of nativism, nationalism, patriotism," Garcia said. "A lot of people feel we have to close ranks as Americans. It's us versus them."

Or it could be this issue is eroding our tolerance for each other. After years of inaction, lawmakers are finally attempting to forge a solution for illegal immigration and no one — whether they've lived here 50 years or five — quite knows what to expect. As the issue drags on in legislatures and Congress, there are sure to be more protests.

We remind members of our community, no matter which side of the issue they're on, to remain civil.

No matter what symbols you see or display, don't be quick to offend or to be offended.


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Mexico; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: borderlist; illegalimmigration; immigration; mexicanflags; mexico; noduh; reconquista
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To: CBart95
Would you two please go back to the insane asylum you both escaped from?

"Escaped"? They give us computers here....

41 posted on 04/03/2006 2:48:53 PM PDT by hispanarepublicana (Hey, Washington, which laws do I get to break?)
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To: hispanarepublicana

I think the signals the illegals sent were pretty clear. They are at war and their side is symbolized by the flag they flew.


42 posted on 04/03/2006 2:51:11 PM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: hispanarepublicana
They're being portrayed as a horde coming across the border," Garcia said

Well, they are a horde, so there is no misrepresentation.

43 posted on 04/03/2006 2:51:30 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: marvlus

Yes, if our highest virtue is tolerance, then we have no others.


44 posted on 04/03/2006 2:53:37 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: pravknight

back in 1904, they didn't have democrats promoting "multiculturism for the sake of multiculturism" and a welfare state.


45 posted on 04/03/2006 2:57:26 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: hispanarepublicana

In demonstrations and school walkouts in Tucson and other cities, the participants said they want to be contributing members of the United States. Then they shouted, "Viva Mexico."

They said they wanted to remain part of the American fabric. Then they waved Mexican flags.

They said they are willing to be assimilated into our culture and learn our language. But many of their placards were written in Spanish.



This only re-enforced what we already know.


46 posted on 04/03/2006 2:59:34 PM PDT by Proud_USA_Republican (We're going to take things away from you on behalf of the common good. - Hillary Clinton)
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To: hispanarepublicana

That 'splains everything Lucy!

Is that crazy Texican Stump Jumper in your ward or in lock up?

Joo Gotta Whole lotta 'Splainin' to do Lucy!''

Joo Guys gotta stay out of Mexi-Pride Parades...your'e giving them a bad name.


47 posted on 04/03/2006 3:04:59 PM PDT by CBart95
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To: hispanarepublicana
500,000 turnout in one measly americxan city for a mere rally.. portends the 2006 vote, and the 2008 one.. The voting system totally broke.. its easy to get ID to register to vote (on the street) especially in Calif, AZ, NV, NM, and probably Texas, and whoi know Colorado too...

The perpetual Optimists will en-Mexicate America.. Maybe the gringos ARE dumber than a Mop handel..

48 posted on 04/03/2006 3:05:37 PM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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To: hispanarepublicana


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49 posted on 04/03/2006 3:11:15 PM PDT by VU4G10 (Have You Forgotten?)
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To: hispanarepublicana
You don't want to send mixed signals or express your views in a way that can be misinterpreted or, even worse, seen as a threat.

To: Author of this

They did not send mixed signals, they certainly were not misinterpreted, but they are certainly a threat. Tell them thanks for stripping away the PC bullcrap that is normally associated with their actions and showing it for what it is: INVASION.

50 posted on 04/03/2006 3:13:03 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: Kakaze

Well, they know if there are enough of them, they aren't the ones who will have to assimilate. We will.


51 posted on 04/03/2006 3:18:44 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: hispanarepublicana

They are making all American Latinos look bad. They are causing racial issues where there were none.


52 posted on 04/03/2006 3:25:23 PM PDT by stands2reason
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To: hispanarepublicana
In demonstrations and school walkouts in Tucson and other cities, the participants said they want to be contributing members of the United States. Then they shouted, "Viva Mexico."

They said they wanted to remain part of the American fabric. Then they waved Mexican flags.

They said they are willing to be assimilated into our culture and learn our language. But many of their placards were written in Spanish.

There were also American flags, English chants and English placards at these demonstrations. But if the goal of the protests was to sway people toward supporting immigrant rights, why risk alienating others with symbols and words that are not American?

The AZ Star answered that in their first paragraph:

"When you want to relay an important message, clarity is vital. You don't want to send mixed signals or express your views in a way that can be misinterpreted or, even worse, seen as a threat."

53 posted on 04/03/2006 3:29:11 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hispanarepublicana
Geez, I could have written this Editorial in four sentences:

Hey you protestors! STFU! You're making it impossible for us to pretend you're not a problem. We'll continue to cover up the crime, violence and shredding of our infrastructure if you'll just keep quiet until this blows over.

54 posted on 04/03/2006 3:34:33 PM PDT by Richard Kimball (I like to make everyone's day a little more surreal)
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To: Martina
Seeing the foreign a**hole invaders with their flags from other countries certainly changed my opinion.

I never liked the idea of them coming here but I always thought "they are just poor people" Now I know that they are a disaster in every way for the USA.

It sounds like you stopped looking at each tree and ended up getting a good look at the forest.

55 posted on 04/03/2006 3:39:26 PM PDT by DumpsterDiver
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To: hispanarepublicana

"They're being portrayed as a horde coming across the border,"

Do they deny that this is EXACTLY what they are?

And funny this article makes no mention of all the "reconquista" slogans that were on display. Maybe it did not happen in that area, but I wouldn't put it past the MSM to just ignore that.

HEY, CALIFORNIA, TEXAS, NEW MEXICO, ARIZONA, the Mexicans in your midst would like to reunite you with their mother country!


56 posted on 04/03/2006 3:53:09 PM PDT by jocon307 (The Silent Majority - silent no longer)
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To: hispanarepublicana

So the newspaper wants its buddies, the invaders, to keep their cool so we don't see through their tactics. You could just hear the pleading tone. "Come on, folks, that's not the way to fool them!"


57 posted on 04/03/2006 3:56:15 PM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: VU4G10

Great post. Please post it on every illegal immigration thread!


58 posted on 04/03/2006 3:56:45 PM PDT by Serenissima Venezia (Stop the “No Illegal Alien Left Behind Act” – call/email/fax/write your Senators today!)
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To: hispanarepublicana

What mixed message? They make it very clear that the U.S. IS Mexico as far as they're concerned. I'm not confused one bit.


59 posted on 04/03/2006 3:56:55 PM PDT by AmericanChef
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To: hispanarepublicana; All
For "Thunder on the Border," click the picture:

( PS- my personal prediction? That picture will become one of the most widely distributed, and most hated, pictures on the internet. The Illegal lobby could not have done more damage to themselves with that "Mexican Flag Superior, America in Distress" photograph if they had tried... )

60 posted on 04/03/2006 4:08:17 PM PDT by backhoe (Just an Old Keyboard Cowboy, Ridin' the Trakball into the Dawn of Information)
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