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Sinn Fein British agent shot dead
BBC News ^ | 4 April 2006

Posted on 04/04/2006 1:08:31 PM PDT by bd476


Denis Donaldson was expelled from
Sinn Fein in December


Mr Donaldson was expelled from the party last December after admitting he was a paid British spy for 20 years.

The IRA issued a statement saying it had "no involvement whatsoever" in Mr Donaldson's death in County Donegal.

Irish prime minister Bertie Ahern described the death as a "brutal murder", while NI Secretary Peter Hain said it was "barbaric".

Sinn Fein leader Gerry Adams said he wanted to "disassociate (his party) and all republicans who support the peace process from this killing".

The death of Mr Donaldson came hours before a planned visit to Northern Ireland by Prime Minister Tony Blair and Mr Ahern to unveil their blueprint for reviving the assembly at Stormont.

A Downing Street spokesman said that Mr Blair "strongly condemned" the killing and had noted Mr Adams' statement of condemnation.




TIMETABLE OF EVENTS


4 October 2002: Three men including Mr Donaldson arrested following raid on Sinn Fein's Stormont office. Power-sharing executive collapses and government restores direct rule to NI a week later

8 December 2005: Charges against three men dropped "in the public interest"

16 December 2005: Sinn Fein says Mr Donaldson was a "British agent" and expels him from the party: he later says he worked as a spy since the 1980s Government and police reject the party's claim raid was politically motivated

4 April 2006: Donaldson found shot dead in County Donegal

Irish justice minister Michael McDowell said he understood a neighbour had found Mr Donaldson's body on the floor of his house with a gunshot wound to the head.

He said that he had been lying there for some time and was last seen alive on Monday evening by Irish police.

Mr Donaldson moved out of his Belfast home last December, and had been living in a run-down cottage without electricity or running water in County Donegal.

His body was found near the village of Glenties at about 1700 BST.

Mr Donaldson had been Sinn Fein's head of administration at Stormont before his 2002 arrest over alleged spying led to its collapse.

Mr Donaldson and two others were acquitted of charges last December "in the public interest".

One week later, Sinn Fein expelled Mr Donaldson from the party.

At the time, he told a news conference that he was recruited in the 1980s as a paid British agent and deeply regretted his activities.

He said there had not been a republican spy ring at Stormont.

Gerry Adams told the same news conference that Mr Donaldson was not under any threat from the republican movement.

Mr Adams said on Tuesday he had spoken to the Donaldson family just before news of his death broke.

He said he was not prepared to speculate on who might have been responsible.

"It has to be condemned. We are living in a different era, and in the future in which everyone could share," he said.

"This killing seems to have been carried out by those who have not accepted that," he said.

DUP leader Ian Paisley said Mr Donaldson's death would be a setback for the political process.

"If this man has been murdered because of his connection with the IRA/Sinn Fein, and because of the past happenings, then it strikes a blow at what the two governments are trying to do," he said.



TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Front Page News; News/Current Events; United Kingdom; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: criminalconspiracy; espionage; expionage; gwot; ira; iraaretraitors; ireland; irishtraitors; irishwaronterror; iwot; paybackisabitch; pira; sedition; sinnfein; sinnfeinira; spy; terrorism; treason; wot
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To: Lost Humanist

Not quite sure why the US government should apologize for something some idiots are doing. I wouldn't expect the British government to apologize for any of its citizens caught fighting with Taliban/Al Qaeda against US forces in Afghanistan.


121 posted on 04/05/2006 3:13:07 PM PDT by elc
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To: elc

True, but I wish Bush would reconsider his softly-softly approach to Sinn Fein/IRA.


122 posted on 04/05/2006 3:17:54 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

Thanks, I signed up. My password is Thouvaquako.......................ROTFLMAO!


123 posted on 04/05/2006 3:37:02 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: Irish_Thatcherite

WHERE HAVE YOU GONE MAGGIE?
WHERE HAVE YOU GONE RONNIE REAGAN?


124 posted on 04/05/2006 3:38:25 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Ahh, the good ole' days... pity I'm too young to remember it too well.


125 posted on 04/05/2006 3:41:19 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Yes... they issue strange passwords over there!!


126 posted on 04/05/2006 3:42:19 PM PDT by Irish_Thatcherite (~A vote for Bertie Ahern is a vote for Gerry Adams!~| IRA supporters on FR are trolls, end of story!)
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To: elc

True, but I would argue there is a league of difference between the collusion by UK chaps who fight the US Forces in Afghanistan/Iraq etc, and the funding that the IRA recieved through various sources, inside and outside the US Government.
But that really by the by, and doesn't add alot to the thread.


127 posted on 04/05/2006 5:55:13 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: Brit_Guy

BINGO! Especially true if the bombers didn't actually give a rip about Indians at all other than as cover and shared their real goals, money, training and equipment with communist and freelance terrorists worldwide.


128 posted on 04/05/2006 6:10:47 PM PDT by WorkingClassFilth (Di'ver'si'ty (adj.): A compound word derived from the root words: division; perversion; adversity.)
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To: Irish_Thatcherite; Brit_Guy; Lost Humanist
The IRA have more people on this island than anyone else (1800), their Loyalist counterparts come second (1200) - and the British security forces have only killed a couple dozen!!

The comment was made that the IRA killed more than the Brits. This just defies logic. British occupation of Ireland has been a bloody disaster for the Irish. I didn’t see a time frame mentioned in the post.

No, I don’t hate the Brits. They are our strongest ally in the world, sometimes our only ally. Lady Thatcher remains a personal hero, along side Ronald Regan and John Paul II. I just wish the Brits would end their occupation of Ireland. I do not support the modern IRA, which is a Marxist terrorist organization. I condemn the killing that was the topic of this article. I’m second generation American, my grandparents coming from Ireland

But you must learn history. It was British occupation that created the conditions that allowed the blight to be so devastating.

Here are some excerpts from a couple of sites:

http://www.american.edu/TED/potato.htm

English colonization of Ireland forced the Irish to pay exorbitant rents and taxes, to export their crops, and to increase their dependence on the potato crop. …The primary economic goal of British colonialization was to extract the greatest amount of resources and exports from their colonial holdings to the benefit of the British land-owners…. With the colonialization, a tenure system was introduced into Ireland that gave Protestant landlords control of 95% of the land… the holdings were subdivided and living standards declined. To counter overpopulation, people moved to less fertile areas were the potato was one of the few sources of food that could be grown… Most of these lands were under the ownership of absentee landlords, who wanted to maximize the output with little or no investment into the population. … The British instituted Penal laws, which denied the Irish peasant population freedom. Irish were forbidden: to speak their language, to practice their faith, to attend school, to hold an public office, to hold certain jobs, to own land, or to ". . .own a horse worth more than $10." (22) These Penal laws were enacted to push the Irish into submission by force and inferiority and were justified by the British government

http://www.historyplace.com/worldhistory/famine/index.html

Beginning in 1845 and lasting for six years, the potato famine killed over a million men, women and children in Ireland and caused another million to flee the country… Most of the Irish countryside was owned by an English and Anglo-Irish hereditary ruling class. Mainly Protestant, they held titles to enormous tracts of land long ago confiscated from native Irish Catholics by British conquerors such as Oliver Cromwell. …The landlords often utilized local agents to actually manage their estates while living lavishly in London or in Europe off the rents paid by Catholics for land their ancestors had once owned. Throughout Ireland, Protestants known as middlemen rented large amounts of land on the various estates then sub-divided the land into smaller holdings which they rented to poor Catholic farmers. The middleman system began in the 1700s and became a major source of misery as they kept sub-dividing estates into smaller and smaller parcels while increasing the rent every year in a practice known as rack-renting. …These Catholic farmers were usually considered tenants-at-will and could be evicted on short notice at the whim of the landlord, his agent, or middleman. By law, any improvements they made, such as building a stone house, became the property of the landlord. Thus there was never any incentive to upgrade their living conditions. …By the mid-1800s, the density of Irish living on cultivated land was about 700 people per square mile, among the highest rate in Europe. Potatoes are not native to Ireland … An acre of fertilized potato field could yield up to 12 tons of potatoes, enough to feed a family of six for a year with leftovers going to the family's animals. …

129 posted on 04/05/2006 7:31:08 PM PDT by FatherofFive (Choose life!)
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To: FatherofFive

We all know the history of Ireland and the potato famine. Many of the people posting on these threads are Irish after all, including myself. It has absolutely no bearing on the discussion at hand, apart from being bloody patronising. Irish Thatcherite is quite correct in pointing out that the IRA have killed far more people in the present conflict than the security forces. In fact, the IRA have killed far more Northern Irish Catholics than the security forces!


130 posted on 04/05/2006 7:54:20 PM PDT by slane
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To: FatherofFive

The British occupation of Ireland is not quite right of course. The British occupy half a dozen counties that make up the province of Northern Ireland, something that doesn't quite cover the whole of the Republic. My personal view is that Northern Ireland has a greater chance of becoming an independent state, outside of the UK and the Republic.
I would trust the views of the Irish on this page, after all they are the ones on the ground day in and day out, dealing with the events as they unfold.
As for history, well we can go as far back as you like, but it wont change the events as they are, and "I told you so's" wont help either. The thing we must do now is focus on the present, and find a viable solution that will satisfy all sides.
Shall we Brits say 'sorry' for the famine? What good is that going to do now? I of course know the history of my country and that of my neighbours, far more so than than any non-Irish or British individual, but lamenting over indiscretions hundreds of years back wont solve anything.


131 posted on 04/05/2006 9:45:40 PM PDT by Lost Humanist
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To: wardaddy
During the potato famine they shipped tons and tons of food out if Ireland....letting the Irish starve...The british are terrorist!!!!!!!!!!!!1
132 posted on 04/05/2006 9:53:51 PM PDT by GregB (Give Pottsville,Pa their NFL Championship back!!!!!!!!)
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To: tonycavanagh

How about the 3,000 civilians killed on 911?????????Are you from DU??????????????????


133 posted on 04/05/2006 9:55:28 PM PDT by GregB (Give Pottsville,Pa their NFL Championship back!!!!!!!!)
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To: TonyRo76

KMA!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


134 posted on 04/05/2006 9:56:43 PM PDT by GregB (Give Pottsville,Pa their NFL Championship back!!!!!!!!)
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To: bd476
The IRA have gotten two things right in recent years:

1) Disarm
2) Kill this admitted spy

135 posted on 04/05/2006 10:00:31 PM PDT by nunya bidness (“Unsung, the noblest deed will die.” - Pindar)
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To: GregB

Save your sob story.

I'm descended from Cromwell's Orphans and Huguenots...and I'm Southern....have to listen to Yankee sanctimony 24-7

Anyone can find a reason to whine.

Personally I will take the Brits over the Provos any day.

I ID a bit more with Ulster culturally but try to be fair.

You on the othr hand dismissing all Brits as Terrorists is pretty out of hand.


136 posted on 04/05/2006 10:37:50 PM PDT by wardaddy (Beautify America ....Deport a RINO today!....somewhere so bad they can't screw it up..Haiti?)
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To: GregB
re :How about the 3,000 civilians killed on 911?????????Are you from DU??????????????????

No read all the thread and my replies before you come out with complete and utter bollox.

137 posted on 04/06/2006 12:20:04 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Lost Humanist; Irish_Thatcherite
re :Plastic Paddies. Thats a corker! Never heard that one before ;)

My uncles used to call me a plastic Paddy when I was a teenager.

Its someone who says they are Irish but were not born in Ireland.

My family is Irish on my mums side.

When I was a teenager I decided I was Irish, after a holiday at my mums.

My Gran remembered a convoy of the Black and Tans being ambushed outside her house and some of my great uncles were members of the old IRA flying columns.

It gave me a great perspective when I served in North Ireland in that I could see both sides of the troubles and its various causes.

138 posted on 04/06/2006 12:31:31 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh
It gave me a great perspective when I served in North Ireland in that I could see both sides of the troubles and its various causes.

Then it shouldn't be too much trouble for you to admit that the loss of a spy was a calculated risk. In fact, I would expect you to appreciate the one military decision the Provos have made since they became terrorists.

139 posted on 04/06/2006 12:40:16 AM PDT by nunya bidness (“Unsung, the noblest deed will die.” - Pindar)
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To: nunya bidness
He was dead as soon as he admitted he was a spy.

Memories run deep over there.

While eliminating him was not what we would call a political decision, there has always been a wild streak in the various para military/terrorists, with a number of what we term cowboy operations : go it alone without official sanction.

During the height of the troubles mid 70s and again the 80s, a lot of the sectarian killings the tit for tat murders were cowboy operations. carried out by Active Service Units out for revenge with no thought for the bigger picture. i.e sectarian killings did not advance the cause and were in fact had a negative impact on the movement and cause

I would bet money that this was a cowboy operation a revenge/punishment attack

140 posted on 04/06/2006 12:49:24 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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