[Rakkasan1]

time to fax this to some senators

[trubluolyguy]

households headed by illegal aliens used $10 billion more in government services than they paid in taxes in 2002.

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But...but this can't possible be true, the FROBL's said that the illegals conribute more than they use!


If I need a sarcasm tag, you ain't paying attention.

[JudgemAll]

I heard the nice socialist litany of late from his mouth.... "Immigrants do the jobs Americans won't do"

Well, if AMericans don't have to work, what makes us think Immigrants have to?

The system of welfare is broken and immigrants do not come here to work.

Adding numbers of workers is not going to improve the situation, just like more money and teachers in school is not going to improve the situation, just like more military in Iraq is not going to improve the situation.

WHAT IS GOING TO IMPROVE THE SITUATION IS FIGHTING WILL OF FEW AND TO GROW THAT FEW, PERIOD.

Iraq does not suffer from our military shortage, but from a democrat defeatism and shortage of conservatism at home to support the war.

Our economy and illegal immigration problem is going to keep suffering from a lack of support at home.

The insanity of beating on the minutemen volunteers, calling them vigilantes, is the epitomy of intellectual and factual laziness and evil.

[Liz]

The immigrant-illegal con game is so predictable: They whine about coming here b/c they want only to get "menial jobs" to help out their poverty-stricken families in "underdeveloped countries."

Then, before you can say "hasta la vista, baby," working class born-American taxpayers are footing the bills for immigrants' medical needs, welfare, food stamps, housing, all levels of schooling including college, child care, maternity benefits, and so on.

Taxpayers are subsidizing immigrants' daily food intake, housing, reduced mortgages, free medical, education, reduced in-state tuition and out of state tuition fees. We also foot the legal bills when they start suing if we don't provide these goodies pronto.

Lastly, and more ominous, is that they become hyphenated voting blocs, demanding representation in the US Congress, state legislatures, and beyond, so that they can get even more government benefits. They bring with them their utter contempt for our efforts to maintain a civilied society under our Constitution.

OK, did I hear you say "underdeveloped countries?"

Ha.

Mexico has more "Forbes" billionaires, 11, than all but eight other nations. It has more billionaires than Saudi Arabia, Switzerland or Taiwan. It also has more than 85,000 millionaires.

According to a CNN report, Mexico sits on oil reserves worth about $400 billion, but Mexico's state-owned oil company, Pemex, doesn't have the investment funds to tap those reserves, and Mexico's Congress refuses to allow foreign investment in Pemex. However, some observers say this is due to Mexican gov't corruption, and the obsession to line their own pockets.

Adding insult to injury American taxpayers are subsidizing foreign aid transfers to Mexico. According to Visa International--which is now clamoring for a share of the transfer fees--American money sent South of the Border by illegals constitutes $38 BILLION this year alone constituting Mexico's second largest most profitable industry.

America should mandate proof for all cash transfers out of the US and/or force all transferring agencies -- banks, credit unions, Amex, Western Union to collect a substantial withholding tax -- 50%, say -- on every unexplained foreign remittance.

Mexico is a wealthy oil-producing neighbor of the US forces its poor people to flee to the US to work and then send money back home. Mexico has no welfare safety nets, health insurance for its people and no Social Security System.

The US even provides the defense umbrella to protect Mexico, so they have no real defense expenses.

America needs to seal our borders and let Vincente Fox know that we will cut off every penny in aid he gets from the United States.

The government of Mexico---with all of its oil revenue----needs to be taking care of its own people, not "outsourcing' them as wards of American taxpayers. Mexico can well-afford it.

Ths unmitigated contempt for America, and working-class, tax-paying Americans, cannot go unchallenged. The sense of entitlement these people have is outrageous-----that the rest of us owe them a living. And that US citizens, and the US government, exist for their convenience while they break our laws, at will.

The only thing between us and camouflage-clad federales patrolling our streets with shoulder holsters is the sacrosanct US rule of law.

[Ladysmith]

Ping.

[68-69TonkinGulfYachtClub]

Tell Waffling RINO's : No Amnesty!
http://www.humaneventsonline.com/article.php?id=13155

Wrong Way Whino's (RINO's)
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1607789/posts?page=475#475

[Revolutionary]

At the state level it is probably about $200 Billion. One of the biggest price tags is education. At $10-12,000 per kid per year; that dwarfs almost everything else. Notice that you never see the price tag for educating illegals. Medicade at the state level is also very high. And no one factors in the law enforcement and jail costs at the state level.

[Seadog Bytes]

[Nervous Tick]

Amnesty increases costs because illegals would still be largely unskilled, and thus their tax payments would continue to be very modest, but once legalized they would be able to access many more government services.

Just plain common sense. I have no idea why this is so hard for our "amnestizo" Senators to understand. Or maybe they do understand, but don't care... it's just the cost of a vote, and anyway, they're not paying, we are.

[joesnuffy]

The Senate bill gives in state tuition to illegals (another perk to get more to come here)

The Senate knows EXACTLY what it is doing...and it will never
do the bidding of 'we the people' who elected them...

The march to the beat of different drummers 'we than the people'..

[Butcher Kilroy]

Link to the bill: HR4437

[Rembrandt]

We could erect a magnificent fence for a heckuva a lot less that $10 Billion and that's a one time cost. After that it's a net money maker each year. Don't stop the immigration; control the immigration.

[JCEccles]

Bump.

[VOA]

bump
and here's at least one other cowboy code:
http://courses.cs.vt.edu/~cs3604/lib/WorldCodes/Cowboy.Code.html

[abigailsmybaby]

I haard some more great news on KFI in LA tonight. Border Patrol is reporting that illegals caught the past few days are telling them that the media in Mexico is telling them that an amnesty is imminent and they need to head for the border.

Call your congresscritters and thank them for this.
http://www.senate.gov

[JCEccles]

The $10 billion a year hidden tax means that "cheap" head of lettuce is really outrageously expensive.

[iacovatx]

The overlooked part of this whole fiasco is that, if the illegals had to remain in their country and seek economic opportunity, they would be an important source of pressure to develop their own countries and reform their gov'ts. The US, by accepting them, reduces the possibility of improvement in the countries from which they come. Mexicans would not be happy if they could look across their northern border and see freedom's fruits, but could not walk across the border and gather them to take home. That unhappiness could change Mexico for the better--it would not make Mexico any worse.

[pterional]

The major cost to the taxpayer is yet to come. All these Mexicans are predisposed to diabetes and heart disease. They are doing unskilled labor and the develop degenerative spine disease. The high cost of their medical care will overcome the US Government.

Import the fruit, Deport the illegal.

[TigersEye]

Somehow illegals manage to scrape up $20 billion per year to send back to Mexico.

Mexico is Rich- Mexican wealthy play American taxpayers for suckers

Good thread for any that missed it. It should really make you mad.

Every dollar spent in U.S. taxes for social services for illegal aliens frees up additional cash to be sent south as part of the annual remittances which provided $20 billion in 2005. According to the CNN news show Lou Dobbs Tonight (3/21/05), "Remittances, as they're called, are expected to become Mexico's primary source of income this year, surpassing the amount of money that Mexico makes on oil exports for the first time ever."

[LibertarianInExile]

With conservativedude's permission, I'll borrow and amend his post from another thread.

I'll just get this out so that the GWB loyalists don't have to:

- if you oppose GWB, you are a RINO using DU and DNC talking points

- Reagan was no good on amnesty, either, and he was a conservative, so amnesty must be conservative

- Amnesty is better than having illegals go further 'underground'

Now...if the Bush loyalists have better arguments than those to SUBSTANTIVELY deal with this and not just bitch and moan at the author and those who agree with them, then there are a lot of us here who are all ears.

(While we're at it, I wonder if the accounting gurus who gave us the numbers for the prescription drugs benefit and the Social Security numbers for Mexican laborers factored in the amnestied illegals who will now officially become part of the welfare state?)