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Kaloogian and Morrow Have Perfect Pro-Gun Voting Records in Sacramento
NRA-ILA e-mail | April 05, 2006 | NRA-ILA

Posted on 04/05/2006 5:14:57 PM PDT by NordP

Important Information for the Special Congressional Election on April 11 4/5/06 2:02 PM NRA-ILA

This Tuesday, April 11th, there is a special election to nominate candidates to succeed former Representative Duke Cunningham in the 50th congressional district of California. We have been receiving inquiries about the position on gun control by candidates in this open seat race. As you consider which candidate to support in this special election on April 11, we hope that this information about some of the candidates will be timely and helpful to your decision and voting.

NATIONAL RIFLE ASSOCIATION INSTITUTE FOR LEGISLATIVE ACTION

While the National Rifle Association has not endorsed a candidate in this special election, we wish to provide you with some important information about some of the candidates.

Former state Assemblyman Howard Kaloogian and current state Senator Bill Morrow have perfect pro-gun voting records in Sacramento.

By contrast, during his three-term tenure in Congress, Brian Bilbray voted against the NRA position ten different times on various bills and amendments, including against repealing the Clinton gun ban on semi-automatic firearms and for legislation to end gun shows as we know them. As he did in 1994, Bilbray has again this year provided pro-gun responses to our federal candidate questionnaire.

Based on his voting record in Congress, Bilbray was rated a "F" by the NRA in 2000, 1998 and 1996. In addition, along with several anti-gun Members of Congress including Senator Dianne Feinstein, Bilbray attended a White House Rose Garden rally on March 16, 2000 at which Bill Clinton pushed for federal legislation to regulate gun shows out of existence. Bilbray was quoted as saying that "reasonable gun control is not a threat to our constitutional rights."


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: 50th; bilbray; billmorrow; congress; kaloogian; morrow; nra
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Make your choices wisely, everyone.
1 posted on 04/05/2006 5:15:01 PM PDT by NordP
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To: NordP

http://www.kaloogianforcongress.com/

http://www.billmorrow.com

GO HOWARD!


2 posted on 04/05/2006 6:03:37 PM PDT by calcowgirl
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To: NordP

Please Caly, vote fo Special K


3 posted on 04/05/2006 6:04:23 PM PDT by NeoCaveman (the freeper formerly known as dubyaismypresident)
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To: calcowgirl

Howard has my vote


4 posted on 04/05/2006 6:15:43 PM PDT by Toidylop
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To: calcowgirl

I have a friend who's working on Kaloogian's campaign and she just invited me down to help this final weekend.

Unfortunately I'm all booked this weekend, but it would have been a good excuse to travel down south. :-)


5 posted on 04/05/2006 6:26:12 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Kaloogian for Congress; Strickland for Controller; NO on 82)
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To: NordP

I hope Bilbray doesn't win.
We don't need another RINO in Congress.


6 posted on 04/06/2006 8:06:53 AM PDT by jrp
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To: NordP

Some key differences between Bill Morrow and Howard Kaloogian:
1.) HK has some problems with his so-called endorsements: From an admittedly liberal blog , comes some interesting research: Among the things discovered is that the Center for Reclaiming America has not endorsed Howard and does not endorse.
Also, Morrow, McClintock and Tancredo have asked repeatedly to have their photos, statements and other material taken off Howard's site which at this writing, Howard has refused to do. He has a huge problem with integrity and waltzes with the truth...
but then this is the Howard that some of us have known for
years...
2.) As far as cozying up to NRA, HK had in his stump speech that he would not " just vote a certain way and then go fishing ". Then I heard that for the Escondido Fish & Game group , he changed it to " ... and then go home ." I guess he'll be whatever they want him to be.
Bill Morrow, on the other hand, has had a consistent message throughout the 14 years and 5 re-elections by the people from his district. Bill said on taking on the task of being a republican legislator in CA that he would never vote for a tax increase or a budget that called for one. He kept his word and in 14 years he has been able to vote for a total of exactly 3 budgets.

Vote your conscience - vote for Bill Morrow.


7 posted on 04/06/2006 9:56:05 AM PDT by leidysys (Differences - Bill Morrow vs Howard Kaloogian)
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To: leidysys

You are right on! Howard wouldn't know the barrel of a gun from the stock! Morrow took him on his first-ever hunting trip where he showed up in sneakers and bermuda shorts! He couldn't shoot himself out of a barrel!
Morrow is a life-long hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman and for him the 2nd Amendment is worth his very life to protect. I heard him say recently if they ever come for his guns, they will have to pry them from his "cold dead fingers!" He is a life member of NRA and has an A-Plus rating with them. The CRPA - California Rifle and Pistol Association not only named him their Legislator of the Year in 2003 but also happily and soundly endorsed him for the 50th Congressional seat!
Real gunners like real men like Bill Morrow...


8 posted on 04/06/2006 10:26:09 AM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: CounterCounterCulture
Howard working hard on the soft porn vote...somebody has got to do.... way to go Howard...

"Gabrielle Reilly: And I am glad to see some of my friends have already officially endorsed you and I hope many more will support you. You have an impressive list of endorsements. I wish you every success in your run for Congress Howard and you have my official endorsement as well."

9 posted on 04/06/2006 12:41:35 PM PDT by Fred
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To: leidysys
I've known Bill and Howard the same amount of time. As a "kid" growing up in North County I was proud to vote for Bill Morrow.

However, I grew up and realized people who sit around and smile are nice guys. They aren't good conservative leaders.

We have a national deficit problem and an illegal immigration problem and for 25 years a no-response to terrorism problem because Congress was dominated by people who patted each other on the back.

By the way, your characterizations on McClintock and Tancredo are way off base. Every SINGLE quote is 100% accurate (including your boy Morrow's) and each one has confirmed that.

10 posted on 04/06/2006 12:43:18 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: leidysys

I simply posted the e-mail - as is. I thought people should know what the NRA said. Still do.


11 posted on 04/06/2006 12:45:28 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: Impeach98
Not sure I made my point clear at all - that was confusing.

My point: I like Morrow. But he doesn't inspire me one bit. I like Howard A LOT. And I've known him and seen him and the only ones who say "you can't trust him" are those who keep trying to knock Howard off the top of the hill in the conservative movement.

I don't admire those who attack conservative activists and leaders simply because they're jealous of their efforts. That's so petty and stupid. We should be focused on advancing our ideals, not on the insider game of shoot the people we believe in.

Half the conservatives get out the kneepads for the most liberal RINOs to appease the establishment and curry favor with the likes of Schwarzenegger, et. al.

But then they take out a knife and stab people like Kaloogian in the back.

There's only one conservative we can really trust in the race, it's Howard Kaloogian, and that's why he's been head and shoulders in front of Morrow throughout the campaign.

12 posted on 04/06/2006 1:01:39 PM PDT by Impeach98
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To: Gabrielle Reilly

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13 posted on 04/06/2006 1:05:21 PM PDT by CounterCounterCulture (Kaloogian for Congress; Poochigian for AG; Strickland for Controller, McClintock for LG, No on 82)
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To: Impeach98
Thank you for your insight. I, too, must admit I've met both of these men. I've spent less time around Mr. Morrow, but each time I'm around him, my impression remains the same. He seems like a really nice guy. Everyone I know likes him a lot. My issue is similar to yours. I want to make a choice based upon:

Leadership skills

Energy to Address and Solve Problems

CLEAN Background So Dems Have No Ammo

Understanding of the Issues That Require Attention

ABLE TO WIN AND NOT GIVE MS. B 51%

My thoughts: I see Morrow as a nice guy - honest - firm convictions, but not a wave maker. The first time I met Kaloogian, was at a Encinitas City Council Meeting. I didn't know he had any other reason for being there--let alone a speaker--than anyone else, yet he was, and he did a GREAT job. The Dems sent down two from Sacramento to TELL us that we were just going to have to accept the fact that taxes were going to be raised and that was that. Mr. Kaloogian and Assemblyman Wyland both spoke on We the People's behalf and quite effectively and concisely told these two what the REAL facts were, and that We the People were not going to just accept what they were "dealing" out.

I have ALWAYS admired Mark Wyland - the man works harder than anyone I know...ANYone. I had never heard of Howard Kaloogian until that day. My husband and I were both VERY impressed with what he had to say, and would equate his delivery with that of an "Ann Coulter-esque" style against these two from Dem "HQ" in Sacramento.

We have also taken part in many of the Pro Troop Rallys around town, and appreciated that Mr. Kaloogian was a part of starting that organization, too. I like his energy.

That said, I had the pleasure of listening to some of the others that are running, and found Eric Roach to be well organized, determined to make changes, and appeared to be an "outside the good 'ol boy network" type that perhaps Ms. B might not be able to challenge as well. I also liked his energy.

So....food for thought, people - that's all this is.

14 posted on 04/06/2006 1:05:52 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: All
We ALL need to remember that this fight is AGAINST BUSBY.

These candidates should be forcing her hand, and making her explain why when she's supposed to be so against "special interests" (if I hear those two words ONE more time! sheesh) is MoveOn.org one of her main contributors? Why all the tricks? How Liberal is her voting record - her philosophy? What is her stand on illegal immigration? What is her stand on how soon she wants us to pull out of Iraq? Does she have the stomach to vote in favor of whatever we need to do in Iran? etc., etc.

I really haven't head the candidates do this, and frankly...I'd like to see it. It could influence my vote in their favor. There's not much time left before the 11th, either.

15 posted on 04/06/2006 1:13:57 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: NordP

Well, if you want someone with "Leadership Skills" and "Energy to Address and Solve Problems" why would you want Kaloogian or Bilbray - both of whom, in their short legislative careers, couldn't get anything done because they were always mired in controversy. They were marginalized by their own as ineffective. Good riddance when Howard was termed out and Bilbray was defeated by a DEMOCRAT!
Morrow proudly serves as the ONLY CHAIR of a Senate committee (in a Democrat-controlled legislature) - the Veterans Committee (he is a proud former Marine; a JAG officer who vigorously prosecuted cases of crime and fraud.) Until this year, his last because of term limits, he served as the Vice Chair of the Judiciary Committee and still serves as Vice Chair of Energy. As a member of the JLAC (Joint Legislative Audit Committee) he is responsible for recommending audits of government agencies - his most recent request for audit being that of the OHV division of State Parks. An avid Off-roader himself, Morrow was personally concerned and requested the recently completed audit showing major misappropriation and misspending of OHV dollars for habitat instead of what the monies were for: maintenance and expansinon of OHV recreation areas around the state.
Morrow has been the go-to person throughout his 14-year state legislative career to author, co-sponsor and get bills passed. He is the one the NRA and CRPA goes to for "floor drills" to defeat looney anti-gun legislation.
Neither Howard nor Bilbray have "Clean Backgrounds" but Morrow does, because, you see his personal and political integrity come directly from his responsiblity to his faith in God and His Word - that's exactly why he is also 100% pro-life because he believes that life begins at conception and has dedicated his life to being a voice for those who have no voice - the unborn and also for the born - the abused children, the elderly and the infirm.
"Understanding of the Issues That Require Attention" - Well, I've said plenty on that already but there's so much more.
ABLE TO WIN AND NOT GIVE MS. B 51%:
Just because Morrow is a decent gentleman who will not lie or twist the truth does not mean that he can't win. His record and those who highly esteem him speak for themselves.
As for the other "unknowns" in the race: Exactly my point, they are unknown. They can SAY anything. Morrow has been there for all of us on all the issues we care about and HE GETS THE JOB DONE without polarizing people.
If you don't vote for Morrow, you are part of the problem, not part of the solution!
Bring integrity and a proven fighter to Congress: VOTE BILL MORROW!


16 posted on 04/06/2006 3:10:11 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: Carrie Greene
Thank you for your insight. I think if we all bring what we know to the table, we'll vote for the right candidate.

I certainly think we all learn more on FR than any other sources of info.

17 posted on 04/06/2006 5:09:47 PM PDT by NordP (I've seen enough "24" to know there are many things a President cannot talk about, yet must do.)
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To: everyone

Howard's the man! www.kaloogianforcongress.com

Only a few days to go ...


18 posted on 04/06/2006 11:03:49 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: Carrie Greene

You say: Morrow "gets the job done without polarizing people."

I say: Much of "the job" IS to "polarize people." !!!!!!!

www.kaloogianforcongress.com


19 posted on 04/06/2006 11:05:36 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

If you think polarizing people is "much of the job" then you are in the cadre of the ineffective, marginalized, never get anything done crowd. You and the ineffective Kaloogian deserve each other.
Also, if Howard really thinks he is "God-anointed" (as he has publicly stated) for this seat, then he wouldn't have had to lie his way with endorsements etc. as he has done from day one! Many people showed up on his endorsement list that didn't know they were there! For example, the Center for Reclaiming America as a non-profit can't endorse but he put them there anyway. If he is "anointed" he wouldn't have had to try to trash his "friend" and mentor Bill Morrow at every opportunity. What a disingenuous slug!

Morrow has never sacrificed his conservative, pro-life, anti-illegal immigration, anti-homosexual agenda principles to get the job done. His integrity and accountability to his God, his family and his country cannot be impugned.

For good solid, verifiable endorsements of Bill Morrow go to:
www.billmorrow.com


20 posted on 04/07/2006 10:42:52 AM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: Carrie Greene

I didn't insult you. I just strongly disagreed with you.
So don't insult me.

Also, can you provide another example of an allegedly made-up endorsement? If it was only one, and not nearly the most important one, I think I'll give him a pass.

(Did you ever make one or two mistakes in a year?)


21 posted on 04/07/2006 12:18:28 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: Carrie Greene

What I meant, it should have been obvious, was that polarizing Republicans versus Democrats is part of the job.

Many of the current problems in Washington are due precisely to the compulsion of many Republicans to work "across the aisle." There has been too much of that, and not enough polarization. The Democrats don't deserve to be worked with, and when we do work with them on major issues, three things happen. One, the general public gets confused. Two, real Republicans get demoralized. Three, we make a deal that favors the Democrats and which they dishonorably break anyway.

Wake up and smell the coffee.


22 posted on 04/07/2006 12:21:29 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

Whatever you meant to say, Kaloogian and Bilbray are both passe, ineffective public servants. Morrow has been and still is in the trenches WINNING battles instead of WHINING like Kaloogian and Bilbray on why anyone should trust their "form" of leadership.
Morrow doesn't "cut deals" across the aisle... you need to brew a fresh pot of coffee and look at the real records of each of these candidates... a casual inquiry and search would tell you who the superior candidate is: BILL MORROW wins hands down.
Why do you think smarmy little sneaks from other campaigns have stolen most all of Morrow's campaign signs? Every other candidate's signs are left standing. It's because the other candidates know and fear Morrow's stellar record and high name recognition in the 50th and they are trying to harm his campaign by this illegal activity of sign-stealing. BTW: campaign signs energize volunteers but only bring between 1% to 2% of the vote. Morrow is known as the only one who truly has a chance of taking Busby out.
Are you brewing that fresh pot of coffee yet?


23 posted on 04/07/2006 1:41:47 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: NordP

The difference is Howard has an A rating, Bill Morrow an A+ rating, the difference being that Morrow actually carried legislation for them. Howard neveer got any legislation passed the entire time he was in the Assembly. Morrow did. The difference was one of temperment. Howard likes to throw bombs and the limelite. Bill Morrow just quietly works to get the job done and doesn't care who gets the credit. An example would be the aerial tankers we now have stationed in San Diego 12 months a year. Bill Morrow asked the CDF not to moth ball them up north during the off season but to keep them here. They didn't want to so he "proposed" legislation to bring it about. They gave in because they didn't want a legislated mandate. Bill didn't do a press conference. He didn't run around looking for a camera to get in front of. He just did the right thing. Bill Morrow has held fast to his principals without wavering. His character and integrity are beyond reproach (as is the way he has run his campaign Howard), and his temperment makes him much better suited to be a representative than a grass roots activist.

drgary


24 posted on 04/07/2006 2:02:00 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Impeach98

Do you want to be excited or do you want a proven record with character and integrity. Morrow is not out there looking for the limelite, just to serve. That is called being a statesman.

drgary


25 posted on 04/07/2006 2:03:53 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: California Patriot

What do you want results or resentment?

drgary


26 posted on 04/07/2006 2:05:56 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Carrie Greene

Oh yeah, and talk about who is still in the trenches fighting for our American sovereignty... I just got hold of this news release from Morrow:

For Immediate Release
Contact: Rhianna Bauer
Date: April 7, 2006
Phone: (209) 743-8130

Morrow Demands Attorney General Respond to Allegations About Subversive Campaign to Annex California Back to Mexico

Carlsbad - Senator Bill Morrow (R-Carlsbad) today announced he has requested State Attorney General Bill Lockyer to provide a formal Attorney General’s Opinion on matters relating to mounting concerns over a growing sedition movement and the related illegal use of public property for illegal immigration rallies.

Morrow said, “During my lifetime, it seemed the United States was always abroad, as we are today in Iraq and Afghanistan, defending the sovereignty and rights of other peoples. It never dawned on me that in my own lifetime I’d have to help defend my own state and nation’s sovereignty here at home. But now, for the first time, I sense a real concern about that.”

“We recently witnessed hundreds of thousands of people, many of them American citizens, marching in support of illegal behavior and advocating anarchy,” said Morrow. “I’m gravely concerned that our great state of California and nation are nearing the edge of an abyss we really don’t want to approach.”

Morrow concluded, “But one thing I learned as a Marine is that you never stop fighting, not ever, no matter what the cost. And this letter to the Attorney General is just the start.”

“I’ve asked the Attorney General to look into some very serious matters regarding the sovereignty and safety of our state’s people and lands, and adherence to our laws,” said Morrow. “I’m making the letter available to the public and will let it speak for itself.”

# # #


27 posted on 04/07/2006 2:45:58 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: Carrie Greene

As we speak, howard has just sent out an e mail poliical hit piece stating Howard Kaloogian Supported by Conservative Leaders with a picture and quote of Tom Mc Clintock saying

"Howard Kaloogian has distinguished
himself as one of the most principled, courageous and steadfast conservative leaders in California."

Senator Tom McClintock
Mc Clintock has asked that his photograph be taken off Howard's web site because it was an implied endorsment. Now he is at it again using a false endorsement to garner votes. The guy has no shame!

drgary


28 posted on 04/07/2006 3:01:24 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Dr. Gary

The other side resents us anyway. They would have more respect (in the sense of healthy fear) toward us if we showed more guts.

As for resentment on our side, that exists already. Confrontation is one constructive means, and sometimes an absolutely necessary means, of channeling that resentment into something constructive -- and of giving our people hope. Without hope, constructive results are hard to achieve.

Spirited confrontation helps on all levels. Of course, it must be done properly.


29 posted on 04/07/2006 5:47:13 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: leidysys

Those issues about Kaloogian do bother me.

It was down to the two of them and now it look like my husband and I are voting Morrow.


30 posted on 04/07/2006 5:51:29 PM PDT by It's me
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To: Carrie Greene

I am not dissing Morrow. I have been impressed by Kaloogian, but admittedly, less so now after reading some of the stuff on this thread.

I don't think Kaloogian can be held responsible for sign-stealing even if it's his supporters doing it. However, I find it as outrageous as you do, especially if the signs are placed on private property. I saw much stealing of Bush signs from private yards in '04, and it always angered me. Even stealing of Kerry signs would have angered me. It's just out of bounds.


31 posted on 04/07/2006 5:52:25 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

Howard can be held responsible for the tenor of the campaign. If we feel that character and integrity and holding to your principles is the most distinguishing thing that defines a statesman and representative, then look at Howard's campaign (and endorsements..and I don't mean the many that Howard has had to retract) as opposed to Morrow's. Howard is shooting himself in the foot if he ever decides to run for another public office. His spots can change, but not in this race.


32 posted on 04/07/2006 11:01:46 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: California Patriot

Replies to a couple of your posts.

1. Howard is the real back-stabber. He has publicly stated that "God has anointed him for this seat and that it's his turn." He has been approached by several conservative leaders in the County to denounce nasty lies against his "friend" Morrow - who mentored Howard years ago and helped him win his first term in the Assembly - Howard refused to denounce the lies because it was found that he was the perpetrator and distributor of many of them. If he's "anointed by God" he wouldn't have to use dirty campaign tactics to try to win.

2. I certainly never intended to insult you. Sorry for that. That is not my style nor intent. I just truly want you to know Morrow - the man, the former Marine, the registered Minuteman, the life-long hunter, fisherman, outdoorsman who has stated that if they ever come for his guns, they will have to pry them from his "cold dead fingers"; the man to whom the NRA and CRPA go to for floor drills to defeat looney gun control legislation and whom the CRPA has strongly endorsed... Kaloogian's brief elected stint in the state legislature was not distinguished as he was marginalized for being too controversial to get anything constructive done.


33 posted on 04/08/2006 1:12:28 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: Carrie Greene

If Morrow is a member of the Minutemen, that's impressive. The other things you cite in his background (ex-Marine, hunter) are unimportant in terms of choosing a congressman. While it's great that he's a staunch opponent of gun control, frankly there isn't much danger of more federal gun control legislation being enacted in the near-future. Can you tell me if Morrow is articulate on issues other than guns, and if he's willing to slam the Democrats publicly, as most Republican officeholders aren't?

I'd still give Kaloogian points, whatever his faults may be, for speaking out against the Democrats. We need much, much more of that, now. Not every congressman has to be effective in the conventional sense.

Glad our discussion has become more civil.


34 posted on 04/08/2006 1:40:27 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: Carrie Greene

Re: Morrow demands to Lockyer,

Great stuff. Thanks for posting.


35 posted on 04/08/2006 1:41:22 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: Dr. Gary

"Morrow is not out there looking for the limelight, just to serve. That is called being a statesman."

I can't agree with this. "Just to serve" is exactly what the first President Bush did. If I remember right, he used these terms "serve" and "service" all the time in reference to his motivations. It isn't good enough. "Serving" is passive and it begs the question: "WHAT are you serving, and how well?"

Looking for the limelight does sound bad. But sometimes egotism is the motivation that gets politicians onto real issues and makes them articulate and aggressive about them. People who don't want any credit can get a lot done in non-confrontational environments like business, or a church, or a community project. In confrontational environments like Sacramento and Washington, modesty of this passive kind is a ticket to oblivion. While the modest guy can be effective at getting roads paved or something like that, the public official's, and especially the "statesman's" responsibilities are much higher than that.

It takes a lot of spirit and anger to challenge the Democratic tyranny in any serious way. Much of that comes from ambition. Ambition sometimes brings with it an unseemly pushiness for the limelight. But that in and of itself isn't a major sin. The question is whether it is ALSO sincere, whether the person seeking the limelight brings good publicity to our cause, makes citizens think if they're not already with us, and encourages and motivates those people who are already with us.

Real statesman are people who see farther than other people and who take risks in order to create change or to preserve things that wouldn't otherwise be preserved. They are rare, and they are often egotistical.

Re: not wanting credit being coupled with ineffectiveness in partisan environments, Ronald Reagan may have been a partial exception, but he was exceptional in several other ways, too.


36 posted on 04/08/2006 1:51:13 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: everyone

Let me add this to my last post:

I do not mean to say that Morrow is ineffective, lacking in spirit or anything like that. He may be excellent in every way. But I hope he isn't the too-quiet, "just to serve" type who Gary is implying.

I'm saying that looking for the limelight can be a very good thing, if you're also looking for results. And results doesn't necessarily mean a bill being passed. It might mean strengthening morale on your side, and educating your side, things we Republicans badly need.

I'm also saying that the guy or gal who "just wants to serve" is not a statesman and does not belong in difficult environments. He/she belongs on a city council in a town that doesn't have any real problems. Or on a church board, or a playground committee or something.

The big leagues are another story and call for something more complicated and less homey.


37 posted on 04/08/2006 1:55:31 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

Howard got nothing done during his stint in the Assembly. A grassroots bomb thrower can do a lot of good at the right time as in getting people fired up and involved, but there has to be the right temperment. You need the respect of your peers, even when they disagree with your positions. We do need representatives in Washington with integrity and character. If we don't know them personally, we only can go by their actions, and the way Howard has run his campaign does not represent the qualities of character we need in Washington.


38 posted on 04/08/2006 2:46:24 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: Carrie Greene

We have to go by their overall record in public life, not just by one campaign. I give Kaloogian a lot of credit for his leadership role in the recall. Most Republican "leaders" were on the sidelines until it was obvious that the recall would qualify for the ballot. I also like Kaloogian's leadership in the support-our-troops group -- its name escapes me at the moment.

I agree that character is important, but am not persuaded that Kaloogian's is bad. I'd need to hear that from more objective sources. In the Republican party, aggressive people who slam the Democrats are often disliked because many establishment Republicans really don't like combat.
I disagree with your comment that a good leader must have the respect of his peers. There is too much pettiness, jealousy, weakness and blindness in politics to make consensus judgments of "peers" a reliable guide to a person's character. In addition, for the kind of politics I'm talking about, the ability to get voters' attention, encourage them, etc., is more important than being liked by other politicians.


39 posted on 04/08/2006 3:13:39 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: Carrie Greene

I also want to dispute your comment about "at the right time."

EVERY time is "the right time" for "getting people fired up and involved," since we always need this and never have enough of it on our side.

One reason the Democrats run this state with an iron hand, and have far more power in the nation than most people think, is that their people are always "fired up and involved," not just at what are obviously the "right times," but always.

Politics is a 365-day-a-year game. Completely normal people probably don't do well in it.


40 posted on 04/08/2006 3:16:03 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

Morrow is a warrior and has never shied from confrontation in the battle with the Dems/libs. He has "sand behind the belt" - if you're military you know that means he has a long record of fighting in the trenches; he knows not only how to fight but he takes the fight to the enemy. He is highly regarded as a master strategist-go-to person on how to get the job done, not a loud-mouth politician who likes to hear his own voice, "all sound and fury signifying nothing..." aka Howard Kaloogian


41 posted on 04/08/2006 6:20:49 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: California Patriot

I feel it is very important, as does Hugh Hewitt, that Morrow has served. We are right in the middle of one fight and will probably be in one with Iran in the next few years. That he has served gives him a greater perspective on the consequences of voting to send men into harms way. It also shows his discipline and respect for authority over him.


42 posted on 04/08/2006 8:43:22 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Carrie Greene

Well then, maybe Morrow has what it takes.

There are only two days left, but I would suggest that you concentrate on selling Morrow and quit trashing Kaloogian. There are other GOP candidates Kaloogian supporters can go to, but presumably you want those votes for your guy, not one of them.


43 posted on 04/09/2006 12:12:43 AM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot

You have a point there. Thankfully Senator Morrow rises above all the trashing of him and his family by Kaloogian and someof the others in the race. 'Nuff said... on to victory!


44 posted on 04/09/2006 4:20:25 PM PDT by Carrie Greene
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To: NordP

If leadership skills are important, Morrow not Kaloogian was able to successfully carry legislation through the legislature. Howard could not.

drgary


45 posted on 04/09/2006 10:42:17 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: California Patriot

I am glad you hold both sides, our and theirs to the same standard. I wish the Dems. would do the same.

drgary


46 posted on 04/09/2006 10:48:31 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: California Patriot

If you want to change public opinion against the liberal agenda, you need to offer constructive alternatives, not just do the SAME THING that they are doing in Congress day after day because they don't have an agenda. You can't lead or change public opinion if all you offer is hits against your opponents the way the Dems have been doing. You need an agenda, a vision, the ability to build a consensus within your own party, and the presentation to sell it to the American Public. Generally speaking, the indiffernt 40% of Americans in the center are not turned off as much by our stand on an issue (be it pro or anti abortion), they are turned off by the messenger. Anyone who gets up on a soap box and starts throwing bombs will quickly be marganilized. The moral indiference effecting our nation has to be factored into the equation and addressed appropriately. Howard doesn't have a clue. 14 years of serving in Sacramento has given Bill the experience and temperment to make him a statesman. Howard needs to find another cause.

drgary


47 posted on 04/09/2006 10:56:29 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Carrie Greene

Roach, Kaloogian, Bilbray, Roach and the wacko liberal are all sending out hit pieces against each other. Morrow is not.

drgary


48 posted on 04/09/2006 11:01:38 PM PDT by Dr. Gary
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To: Dr. Gary

You and I will have to agree to disagree, sir.

There is a place for constructive alternatives, and a place for powerful rhetoric. The GOP has always been short on the latter.

Why don't you stop trashing Kaloogian and focus on why your guy is good?


49 posted on 04/09/2006 11:05:20 PM PDT by California Patriot ("That's not Charlie the Tuna out there. It's Jaws.")
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To: California Patriot
Bill's actions speak louder than Kaloogians dis-ingeniousness. the first thing I always tell people is that Bill has NEVER put politics ahead of his principles. He has a 14 year record to be held accountable for and there has never been a chink in his armor. Chuck Smith of Calvary Chapel Costa Mesa agrees.

drgary
50 posted on 04/10/2006 7:51:05 AM PDT by Dr. Gary
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