OK, Congress. Listen real hard or read our lips. NO Amnesty!
Posted on 04/05/2006 7:04:26 PM PDT by Altair333
Senate Republicans reached agreement last night on a compromise immigration measure that they believe will garner enough bipartisan support to break through a parliamentary impasse that has stymied progress on a high-stakes border security bill for two weeks.
Under the agreement, the Senate would allow undocumented workers a path to lawful employment and citizenship if they could prove -- through work stubs, utility bills or other documents -- that they have been in the country for five years. To attain citizenship, those immigrants would have to pay a $2,000 penalty, back taxes, learn English, undergo a criminal background check and remain working for 11 years.
Those who have been here a shorter time would have to return to one of 16 designated ports of entry, such as El Paso, Tex., and apply for a new form of temporary work visa for low-skilled and unskilled workers.
(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...
Boy, that'll teach them to break our laws- a trip to El Paso. Pathetic.
Once again the Senate Republicans show they have no spine. What a waste of a majority!
These lawmakers make me sick.
Just seal the F@#*ng Border!
then come talk to us again. I can't stand these morons.
We need a list of those that will vote for this, specially the Republicans. then we need to get them out of office.
Just seal the d...n borders!!!
Well there you go, the illegals won
They are making a big mistake.
If the republicans do this they will be voted out of office.
Republican border treason- it has such a wonderful flavor, like guacamole koolaid.
No deal at all is better than this treasonous law.
OK, Congress. Listen real hard or read our lips. NO Amnesty!
NO is a rwo effin' letter word. Which letter can't they read?
Any Republican in a conservative state ought not to be planning to run for office again if he votes for this bill.
Actually the liberals won
Betrayal
I meant "two", Thank you, Budweiser.
"If the republicans do this they will be voted out of office."
The GOP strategics would laugh in your face if you told them that. They know your only other choice is a democrat who is even more in favor of illegal immigrants.
You're not one of the all-powerful SWING VOTERS like Latinos so you don't count.
If this is the real compromise, then no one has anything to worry about. No illegal alien will be able to provide "work stubs", nor any other document to prove their residency. How many illegal aliens will learn English, and how many will want to pay back taxes.
I do not like amnesty, but if this is what the bill will look like, it is dishonest. Why not be honest and say, "No, there will be no amnesty" instead of giving them a set of hurdles so high they can't jump over it?
As usual (when it comes to immigration) I side with the prez on this one - looks like they've just renamed the guest worker visa - which is okay with me.
The more people the better - how else are we going to compete with China or India 50 years from now.
BOHICA!!
$2000!!? Is that all that American citizenship is worth? Can we just open it up to the highest bidders in the world, since we're going to cheapen it anyway, and actually make a few real dollars out of this...ahem...deal.
I killed a guy twenty years ago. Can I pay a fine, learn Swahili, and we'll forget the whole thing? And can I keep the money from the bank robbery?
Not yet. This hasn't gotten past the House yet.
I'll give them $6,000. Does that mean I can vote 3 times?
The House is the last line of defense.
In a late breaking compromise, committee leaders waived the requirement to learn English, provided immigrants completed two weeks of ballet.
Now, there are too many illegal aliens (11-30+ million) to round up and send home.
We are rewarded with a new set of immigration laws that we are lead to believe will be enforced. Do you believe in Santa and the Easter Bunny?
We won't get a fence that would be tangible evidence of border enforcement.
Lastly, the illegals get amnesty.
What did we get out of the deal?
At the rate things are going this country won't even exist in 50 years.
Applying doesn't mean getting. I can apply for lots of things I won't get.
Hopefully it won't because it would be a very sad day for America.
QUISLING: a synonym for traitor, someone who collaborates with the invaders of his country.
Those in the forgery business will be very busy.
We can probably run 500,000 or more people in here as soon as this passes, and if we only make $100 a head, we will be quite rich.
There really won't be much room left for more Mexicans ~ Indians will live 50 to 75 people per house for extended periods ~ much better than Chinese who peak out at 30, and the Mexicans at 10 to 15.
And I'm not being cynical at all. If Congress wishes me to be enriched, then I will take advantage of it.
Anything less than enforcing existing laws will not be acceptable for me! Close the borders and fine the living hell out of the employers who hire these criminals. Why the hell do we have laws anyway, if they are not going to be enforced????
They won't be laughing on election day.
They can laugh now all they want.
They are only fooling themselves.
Indeed. The game is up. There is no turning back now.
I've posted this before, but it's worth repeating:
Is that all there is?
Do you remember that old song that was a hit for Peggy Lee:
Is that all there is?
Is that all there is?
Well, if that's all there is,
Let's break out the booze and have a ball
If that's all...
I've come to the conclusion that there is almost nothing left that can be done to save ourselves from the Immigration Bomb. Time is running out. We are fast approaching the threshhold of "is that all there is?", and, as it will follow, the reality of "if that's all"...
Any talk of actually sending back the millions already here is met with guffaws and opprobrium. Who's going to send back 20 million? Or 5 million? Or even 500,000? Yet each and EVERY new arrival is (to paraphrase James Q. Wilson) "one more broken window" to our notion (and nation) of borders, citizenship, and European-American culture. And each and every new arrival sends a signal to the millions more waiting to come in, "you can get away with it, so, go for it!"
For the record, I'm for sending back every illegal that can be identified and proven as such. Every one. If that means I have to pay more taxes to be rid of them, so be it. I (and you) are certainly going to be paying far more to support them for the rest of their lives here (and the lives of their descendants).
Any talk of building a security barrier to protect our Southern Border from the illegal onslaught is also met with guffaws. No one in this forum can doubt the effectiveness of the Israeli security fence as to protecting their own borders against the infiltration of Palestinian terrorists. If a security fence around [nearly] the entire country of Israel can protect them against intrusion of malevolent invaders, why wouldn't a security barrier on our southern border protect _us_?
For the record, I advocated building a wall from the Pacific to the Gulf of Mexico 'way back in the early 90's, before Pat Buchanan (or anyone else) was even considering such notions. I've been to the Berlin wall (when it was in existence), seen it from _both_ sides, passed through Checkpoint Charlie. For the purposes it was intended, the Berlin Wall worked. It provided a well-defined point of demarcation and kept those on one side _out_ of the other.
The lie that the border cannot be sealed against unwanted intruders and properly policed was laid to rest by the few hundred "Minutemen" patrolling in Arizona - for even in their small numbers, they seemed to produce a surprising effect!
But real deportations en masse aren't going to happen (I know that).
And a security barrier isn't going to be built (I know that too).
And so does everyone reading this posting.
So what's left to be done?
Well, if you stop to think about it.... nothing.
Because nothing else can effectively keep the hordes of illegals from pouring across the borders. We won't stop them from coming in, and once here, we won't send them back. We'll even guarantee them benefits equal to - or better than - what actual American _citizens_ can receive.
Thus, "is that all there is?"
So, better get used to it. Since neither political party will ever be willing to take the hard steps to STOP the illegal invasion, you might as well fill your glass with whatever you like, hoist it high, and drink a hearty toast our fading civilization.
Because as the song says, "that's all"....
- John
Wonder how hard it would be to scare up a few phony work stubs "or other documents" that are convincing enough to get past the bureaucracy? There will be a new cottage industry fulfilling this need in no time, if there isn't already.
Agreed.
The Republican Party is assuring itself a future Third Party candidate, or Independent run from Tancredo in 2008.
What dolts!
We have a better chance of stopping it in the House. They all have to run this November.
The alternative is something worse, either a more lenient bill, or the status quo ante, with an even larger number to deal with later. The Hispanic work force just isn't going away. It just isn't. Their isn't the stomach for it, or the willingness to bear the economic disruptions.
Swing voters only matter if both bases get out the vote. If one side's base stays home the other wins no matter what swing voters do. This is GOP suicide.
I'm going to put my old utility bills up for auction on ebay.
back taxes? are their employers for the last 5 years going to be hunted down to pay the FICA and Medicare taxes they skipped on?
Nope.
Toss in all the heads of lettuce you can eat for the rest of you life and it's even-steven.
Pay stubs, probably not if they were paid cash, which they were. Pay envelopes, probably not. Who keeps those? What is a work stub?
Just a few more miles- back over the border they crossed illegally- and, frankly, I'd be satisfied.
Just come here legally.
(And that goes for all of them.)
a compromise immigration measure that they believe will garner enough bipartisan support"
Support from other carpetbaggers, not the people, because they don't give a cr@p whether we support it or not.
Bush's guest worker program ends with the workers back at the border applying for entry in line with everybody else.
The senate bill would let people who could prove they've evaded the law for more than 5 years move to the front of the line for guaranteed citizenship in another 6 years if they paid 2000.
After which they would vote for people who would return the country to mexico and kick out all the evil europeans.
What is this sh*t??
A guy who is willing to nuke Mecca if necessary AND get rid of illegals gets my vote anytime he wants it.
That would open the door to the new compromise, co-written by Sens. Mel Martinez (R-Fla.) and Chuck Hagel (R-Neb.).
Same old same old Bush AMNESTY.
There's no excuse for this amnesty, regardless of how the traitorous republican Senators dress it up. The invadors should be run out at the tip of a bayonet, not welcomed.
This is BS. I'll not vote for anybody that votes in favor of this.
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