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Sorry, but I wouldn't vote for a drag queen in the White House
London Times ^ | 4/7/2006 | Helen Rumbelow

Posted on 04/07/2006 9:40:04 PM PDT by CAWats

Sorry, but I wouldn't vote for a drag queen in the White House

Helen Rumbelow

THIS WEEK WE GOT to see how Americans think it would be to have a woman in the Oval Office. In the new TV drama Commander in Chief, which has just started in Britain, Madam President is more than 6ft tall, talks in a gravelly voice and has a mouth so inflatably large and laden with lipstick that voters would never have any trouble reading her lips. In short, Geena Davis does not play the first woman to lead the free world, but the first drag queen.

Of course the show makes great play of this girls-on-top fantasy. There is a sharp exchange between Davis and a rival who questions her ability to lead. “Well, not only that,” she mocks him, “but we have that whole ‘once a month will she or won’t she press the button’ thing.”

He responds nastily: “Well, in a couple of years you’re not going to have to worry about that any more.”

And there is a rather nauseating moment when the President’s young daughter spills her drink over mommy on the way to the inauguration speech. You know, the average pressures of balancing work, life, the national budget and your baby’s Ribena.

But never once in the tumultuous process of taking office does Davis betray any emotion. She remains cool, clipped, aloof and vaguely unlikeable. Although the programme-makers do their feminist best to show a woman succeeding at being in charge, in doing so they unwittingly identify the problem of being a female politician. They are drag queens of a sort, their femininity a mask, their humanity hidden.

Take the lunch I had with a minister when I started to cover politics. Here was a woman I had never met, but found irritating on television. She seemed cold, at best a little “nannyish” and dull, at worst patronising. I am hardly giving away clues to her identity here — how many women in government can you think of who do not fit this description? So imagine my surprise when she approached, swearing like a trooper at her lateness, a smile making her almost unrecognisable. On every point I had got her wrong: she was warm, very funny and surprisingly passionate about her cause.

I came away disturbed by my bad judgment of character. How could I have been so turned off by her public persona, but so bowled over by her in private? Yet the more female politicians I met, the more I encountered the same mystery — alter egos so different and so much more likeable that it was difficult to understand why they were kept concealed. When the demeanour of these women was criticised in conversation with friends, I would try to persuade them that really, underneath, they were fantastic. They didn’t believe me. It was, as I observed those suffocatingly safe performances in the Commons, hard to believe it myself.

Now, everyone separates their home and work selves to some degree. But the change is normally subtle: when you see a male politician droning on in public, it is a near certainty that he is a dullard in private. For many women in power the opposite is true — their work selves are the kind of disguise that would give Oscar-winner Geena Davis a run for her money.

I know why they do it. Their gender means their status is more in doubt, the scrutiny upon them greater, the margin for error smaller. They cannot afford to do a Mo, or an Edwina — careers sunk on a surfeit of “character”. So they keep to the line, and keep their jobs. But it also keeps them back. When David Cameron this week mouthed off about the UK Independence Party (“fruitcakes, loonies and closet racists”), it made him seem strong. Tony Blair, as his advisers at the election realised, is at his most convincing when sweating with panic among a hostile studio audience.

For a leader to be truly engaging, it is not enough to be good at his or her job. They have to reveal something of themselves, something for their public to connect with on an emotional level. That is why Bill Clinton is such a consummate politician, and why his buttoned-up wife Hillary — the current best chance of a real Madam President — is not.

We will have true equality when the word charisma is used about women in power, not just men. One day we won’t just aspire to have a woman in the White House, but a human too.


TOPICS: Foreign Affairs; Miscellaneous; Political Humor/Cartoons; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: whitehouse; womanpresident
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1 posted on 04/07/2006 9:40:07 PM PDT by CAWats
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To: CAWats

Helen Rumbelow is an idiot.


2 posted on 04/07/2006 9:44:45 PM PDT by phoenix0468 (http://www.mylocalforum.com -- Go Speak Your Mind.)
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To: CAWats
Who? Janet Reno?
Oh, she was talking about the Hilder-beast.


3 posted on 04/07/2006 9:46:50 PM PDT by darkwing104 (Let's get dangerous)
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To: darkwing104; CAWats
Who? Janet Reno?

Shoot...I thought this was about Giuliani.


4 posted on 04/07/2006 9:56:00 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: CAWats

Do the English get to vote in our election, too?


5 posted on 04/07/2006 9:56:28 PM PDT by goodnesswins ( "the left can only take power through deception." (and it seems Hillary & Company are the masters)
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To: CAWats
...Madam President is more than 6ft tall, talks in a gravelly voice and has a mouth so inflatably large and laden with lipstick that voters would never have any trouble reading her lips. In short, Geena Davis does not play the first woman to lead the free world, but the first drag queen...

You know, as an over-6-footer myself, I've heard bull$hit like this my whole life... and I'm d@mn well sick of it.

Note to the world: Simply being non-petite does not make a woman unfeminine.

To the brain-dead author of this stupid article, and to all others who share her sniveling attitude: F-CK you and the horse you rode in on!

6 posted on 04/07/2006 9:59:33 PM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: goodnesswins
Do the English get to vote in our election, too?

That was my thought.

7 posted on 04/07/2006 10:00:54 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: goodnesswins

Why not? Dead people, illegal immigrants, and pets get to. Let's let everyone jump on the bandwagon!


8 posted on 04/07/2006 10:01:17 PM PDT by pcottraux (It's pronounced "P. Coe-troe.")
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To: pbmaltzman

damn, take it easy. i don't think her height was crux of the issue. most men, except short ones usually, like tall women


9 posted on 04/07/2006 10:05:08 PM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: CAWats

London Times? If shes British she can't vote anyhow...


10 posted on 04/07/2006 10:05:24 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: ActionNewsBill
Shoot...I thought this was about Giuliani.

Rudy bashing is so tiresome.

11 posted on 04/07/2006 10:07:21 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: ActionNewsBill

Katherine Harris is prettier than that.


12 posted on 04/07/2006 10:08:02 PM PDT by The Red Zone
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To: ActionNewsBill

Rudy is the man, he will wear a dress to raise money for 9/11 victims.


14 posted on 04/07/2006 10:09:54 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: GodfearingTexan
damn, take it easy. i don't think her height was crux of the issue. most men, except short ones usually, like tall women

Some short men adore tall women.

15 posted on 04/07/2006 10:10:19 PM PDT by CAWats (And I will make no distinction between terrorists and the democrats.)
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To: phoenix0468
Obviously.

And so are those FREEPERS who have said much of the same, as she.

What part of the rather ancient, by this time, "hairy leg show " ( which is what such performances are REALLY called ) is so damned difficult for people to understand? This has absolutely nothing at all to do with "DRAG" shows, nor latent cross dressing tendencies. For hundreds of years, politicians have put on these kinds of shows, but it is only recently, that they have been more open and garnered some public attention.

And predating that, American private and English Public ( which is what they call PRIVATE schools ) have put on these same kinds of send-ups.

16 posted on 04/07/2006 10:10:56 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Hinged

See ya later


17 posted on 04/07/2006 10:11:34 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: Cobra64

You don't have to bash Rudy to decide not to vote for him. All that has to be done is to tell the truth.

1) He is pro-choice.
2) He supports gun control.
3) He supports gay rights.
4) He has had cancer.

It is very unlikely that he can get the Republican nomination, and even less likely that he can beat Hillary.


18 posted on 04/07/2006 10:12:02 PM PDT by the lone wolf (Good Luck, and watch out for stobor.)
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To: Cobra64
Rudy bashing is so tiresome.

Whatever...

19 posted on 04/07/2006 10:12:33 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Echo Talon
Rudy is the man, he will wear a dress to raise money for 9/11 victims.

Yep...real Presidential caliber material that guy is...

20 posted on 04/07/2006 10:14:20 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: Hinged

See ya later


21 posted on 04/07/2006 10:14:22 PM PDT by al baby (Father of the Beeber)
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To: ActionNewsBill

Drag Queen or not, Rudy is an American Hero. Definately not my pick for president but I have much respect for him. There is a place in the US government for him.

http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html


22 posted on 04/07/2006 10:15:18 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Shoot...I thought this was about Giuliani.

Me too and NO I could never vote for "him"!

23 posted on 04/07/2006 10:16:21 PM PDT by WildPlum
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To: MaineVoter2002
Drag Queen or not, Rudy is an American Hero.

Your definition of "hero" must not be the same as mine.

24 posted on 04/07/2006 10:17:17 PM PDT by ActionNewsBill ("In times of universal deceit, telling the truth is a revolutionary act")
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To: CAWats

This guy has POTUS written all over him...

25 posted on 04/07/2006 10:22:03 PM PDT by Triggerhippie (Plus ça change, plus c'est la même chose.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
"Shoot...I thought this was about Giuliani."

I did too.

26 posted on 04/07/2006 10:24:18 PM PDT by CowboyJay (Rough Riders! Tancredo '08)
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To: pbmaltzman

So, how's the weather up there ?

=running away=


27 posted on 04/07/2006 10:24:50 PM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: Cobra64

"Rudy bashing is so tiresome."

The man is a liberal. What can one say about a "republican" who John McCain is ten times more conservative than?

No McCain, Rice or Giuliani (on the republican side) in 2008, please.


28 posted on 04/07/2006 10:35:13 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Secure our borders, no amnesty.)
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To: CAWats
We will have true equality when the word charisma is used about women in power, not just men. One day we won’t just aspire to have a woman in the White House, but a human too.

"True equality" is an impossible pipe dream.
29 posted on 04/07/2006 10:39:40 PM PDT by Jaysun (If anything is possible, then it's possible that nothing is possible.)
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To: ActionNewsBill
Shucks, I did, too. LOL

Rudy may be more "likable" than Hillary Clinton... Not to mention, he
looks better in heels. But those calves of his could use some lipo. LOL.

30 posted on 04/07/2006 10:48:27 PM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: CAWats
They are drag queens of a sort, their femininity a mask, their humanity hidden.

Most of them don't seem to have any femininity left. Laura Bush is a pleasant exception, I thought, well generally, the jokes were kind of an aberration. She comes across as being a nice person despite all those years in the spotlight.

I've watched women in the workplace since the great liberation and even before. Some of my mother's friends which was way before feminism seemed cold in retrospect, but maybe that is being unfair since I was young and pretty self-centered. It's kind of an enigma to me. Some are perfection itself in clothes, makeup, and demeanor, while others aren't particularly attractive, don't take great pains with hair, dress or makeup, but are smart and good enough at what they do that it doesn't matter.

It's kind of the same with males, too, not the drag queen part, but the mask, whether they be politicians, bosses or employees. It's hard to get to know the person behind the mask if there is one left. Sometimes there really is, but often a good part of themselves is still masked from so many years of conditioning. They never cry either, not that that is necessarily a good thing.

I didn't have the leisure to analyze things so much when I had to keep a frenzied schedule, but there are still some really nice ladies still out there, most of them are older, but a few are young. It's refreshing to discover that.

I was talking to my granddaughter whose friend will graduate from college this year and go either into police work or social work. I was speculating on how that was going to affect her outlook/worldview being around the downside of life so much. One wonders if they know what they are getting themselves into.

Whether I worked or loafed, I always had built-in protections against the darker side of life, sought out beauty in nature, music, built a safe place inside myself to compensate for it.

31 posted on 04/07/2006 10:50:28 PM PDT by Aliska
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To: ActionNewsBill; MaineVoter2002; Lonewolf; Echo Talon; Cobra64

While you're at it, ask Rudy about his immigration politics while he was Mayor.


Giuliani sued all the way up to the Supreme Court to defend the city’s pre-911 sanctuary policy to thwart a 1996 federal law decreeing that cities could not prohibit their employees from cooperating with the INS.


"Oh yeah?," said Giuliani, "Just watch me." The INS, Rudy claimed, with what turned out to be grotesque irony, only aims to "terrorize people."

Very poor choice of words, Rudy.

Though he lost in court, Rudy remained defiant to the end.


On September 5, 2001, Rudy'a own boys---his handpicked charter-revision committee---ruled that New York City could still require that its employees keep immigration information confidential "to preserve trust between immigrants and government."


Six days later, on Sept 11, 2001, several foreigners who had overstayed their visas participated in the most devastating attack on New York City that our country had ever seen.


32 posted on 04/07/2006 10:51:53 PM PDT by Liz (Liberty consists in having the power to do that which is permitted by the law. Cicero)
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To: NapkinUser
The man is a liberal. What can one say about a "republican" who John McCain is ten times more conservative than?

Why do you consider Rudy as being a liberal? Have you read his resume? Have you lived in the East and seen him in action as Mayor of NYC and managing the largest disaster in the history of the United States?

Just curious.

33 posted on 04/07/2006 10:56:40 PM PDT by Cobra64
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To: Liz
Six days later, on Sept 11, 2001, several foreigners who had overstayed their visas participated in the most devastating attack on New York City that our country had ever seen.

Were they working in NY City?

34 posted on 04/07/2006 10:57:37 PM PDT by Echo Talon
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To: Cobra64

Pro-abortion, pro-gay rights and pro-gun control. You tell me.


35 posted on 04/07/2006 11:12:36 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Secure our borders, no amnesty.)
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To: Cobra64
http://www.politicalderby.com/powerrankings.html

"Will Rudy's well-deserved 9-11 glow be enough to blind conservatives from the truth that he's essentially a Manhattan liberal on every issue but national security? There's gay rights, abortion, affirmative action, even video rental late fees. The first three might be smoothed over during the primaries, but can a pocketbook issue be so easily dismissed?"

36 posted on 04/07/2006 11:17:49 PM PDT by NapkinUser (Secure our borders, no amnesty.)
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To: NapkinUser

"Will Rudy's well-deserved 9-11 glow be enough to blind conservatives from the truth that he's essentially a Manhattan liberal on every issue but national security? There's gay rights, abortion, affirmative action, even video rental late fees. The first three might be smoothed over during the primaries, but can a pocketbook issue be so easily dismissed?"

National Defense is most people's issue they find most important. If we are blown to bits does abortion, affirmative action, etc going to matter. We will all be dead. However, I will not vote for him because of abortion rights, but using national security is not a good idea for putting the kaput on Rudy not getting the nomination. We need to say his negatives and not promote his positives so much. Just keep that in mind...national security is number one issue for people.


37 posted on 04/07/2006 11:49:02 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: CAWats

What does she think of the drag queen in Buckingham palace? :)


38 posted on 04/07/2006 11:53:27 PM PDT by derllak
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To: CAWats

"Some short men ADORE tall women."

Whew, that's good to hear!


39 posted on 04/08/2006 12:17:49 AM PDT by CaliGirlGodHelpMe
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To: nopardons
"...excuse me, Senator... your husband called and said he'd run over to the Chinese Embassy and pick up that campaign contribution today..."

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40 posted on 04/08/2006 12:37:00 AM PDT by badgerlandjim (Hillary Clinton is to politics as Helen Thomas is to beauty)
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To: fieldmarshaldj
So, how's the weather up there ? =running away= It's raining.
41 posted on 04/08/2006 1:05:07 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman
You know, as an over-6-footer myself, I've heard bull$hit like this my whole life... and I'm d@mn well sick of it.

Well, I'm 6'6", so I don't consider a woman to be unfeminine in the slightest until she is at least seven feet tall, and even then not until I discover that she can out-wrestle me. I'll confess that it has always been a dream of mine that I would find a beautiful woman of 6'5" or over, and together we would produce a superhuman child who would then rule the world with an iron fist.

So, my question for you is: do you have any single daughters?
42 posted on 04/08/2006 1:05:08 AM PDT by fr_freak
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To: badgerlandjim

no way are those hillary's legs???!!!


43 posted on 04/08/2006 1:06:24 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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damn, take it easy. i don't think her height was crux of the issue.

Then why did she specifically mention it? BTW, I think Geena Davis is very good-looking.

most men, except short ones usually, like tall women

Usually it's the short guys who really like tall women. Most of the tall men chase tiny women. And most tiny women won't date a guy under 6 feet tall. Over the years I've conducted my own unscientific polls on this. ;P

44 posted on 04/08/2006 1:08:35 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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Some short men adore tall women.

You got that right. That's been my experience. Even back 30 years ago, in my better-looking days, that was the case. When I actually gave more of a d@mn about it, I wanted a guy at eye level or above... but most of the attention I got was from the really short guys.

Seems to me that most tall men don't seem to appreciate having a woman up at eye level. I've been to tall clubs, and there's not as much pairing-off as you might hope for.

When I took singing lessons years ago, one night a fellow student and I went to a lounge where they had an open mike. There were two pro musicians playing there... a 6-foot guy and a guy who was maybe 5 feet in his elevator shoes.

It was the really short guy who made a beeline to introduce himself to me, and who had a girlfriend my size. The tall guy ignored me; his girlfriend was some really tiny woman.

45 posted on 04/08/2006 1:14:37 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman

hmmm. interesting.


46 posted on 04/08/2006 1:16:39 AM PDT by GodfearingTexan
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To: fr_freak
Well, I'm 6'6", so I don't consider a woman to be unfeminine in the slightest until she is at least seven feet tall, and even then not until I discover that she can out-wrestle me. I'll confess that it has always been a dream of mine that I would find a beautiful woman of 6'5" or over, and together we would produce a superhuman child who would then rule the world with an iron fist.

I was only lukewarm about having kids most of the time I was young enough to do so, but had I met someone like you, I probably would have had some.

So, my question for you is: do you have any single daughters?

Well, if I did have any daughters, I'd tell them to e-mail you! :) I sincerely hope you find someone out there who is nice, tall, and wants to have kids with you.

47 posted on 04/08/2006 1:20:22 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman
Oops, I screwed up with the HTML. It should have read:

So, how's the weather up there ? =running away=

[spitting]

It's raining.

48 posted on 04/08/2006 1:24:25 AM PDT by pbmaltzman
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To: pbmaltzman

*snickers*

;-)


49 posted on 04/08/2006 1:49:23 AM PDT by fieldmarshaldj (Cheney X -- Destroying the Liberal Democrat Traitors By Any Means Necessary -- Ya Dig ? Sho 'Nuff.)
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To: CAWats
Title mislead me, thought it was all about Rudy Giuliana.
50 posted on 04/08/2006 2:31:44 AM PDT by Ursus arctos horribilis
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