Posted on 04/10/2006 2:03:58 PM PDT by Jack Black
Republicans face a growing disaster on immigration. Right now the GOP is sailing on a dangerous course where they are increasingly turning off two pillars of their new majority. The first pillar is the talk-radio portion of the Republican base led by Rush Limbaugh (and the many who have followed in his wake) that provide a tremendous amount of energy to the conservative movement. The second pillar the GOP is endangering is the Hispanic community, the single largest growing demographic in American politics. In 2004, President Bush increased his share of the Hispanic vote to around 40% nationally. Had John Kerry been able win the same percentage of the Hispanic vote as Al Gore in 2000, he would have won the presidency.
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The problem for Republicans is they are split and not speaking with one voice. The result is that they are managing to turn off both of these vital constituencies. Beltway pundits who casually throw aside the concern of the conservative base on this issue make a mistake and underestimate voter intensity on the illegal immigration problem. For a conservative base already demoralized by a Republican-led Congress incapable of cutting spending and frustrated by a war that is either portrayed as floundering (or actually is floundering), abdication of responsibility on the illegal immigration mess may be the last straw that compels many conservatives to sit on their hands this November.
If you think Republicans are picking up support in the Hispanic community for how they are dealing with immigration, you'd be wrong. The Hispanic community is focusing on the severely PR-challenged House bill which has sparked enormous public demonstrations -- political energy that will not be helpful for Republicans this fall. It doesn't matter that an overwhelmingly majority of House Republicans voted to take the felon language out of the Sensenbrenner bill but were defeated by Democrats who cynically (but shrewdly) voted to keep the language intact. Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record) tried to explain on FOX News Sunday that the House bill is being distorted and humanitarians aiding illegals wouldn't be prosecuted, but it is too late. The House bill is killing Republicans in the Hispanic community.
So right now Republicans have managed to create a political environment on immigration that further demoralizes their base while at the same time angers the largest growing electoral demographic critical to a long-term GOP majority. Is it any wonder Senator Schumer implored Harry Reid to scuttle the Senate "compromise"? The last thing the Democrats want, from a political standpoint, is to resolve the immigration issue.
Even though Schumer and many Democrats don't want an immigration bill, Republicans should be happy the Senate compromise went down in flames. If something like the Senate bill were to become law it would be a disaster for Republicans because the conservative base will revolt if a Republican President and Congress attempts a rerun of the Simpson-Mazzoli amnesty of 20 years ago. When you strip it all down, that is essentially what the Senate compromise McCain and Kennedy were crowing about last week would be.
It would be counterproductive to suggest there are easy answers to our broken immigration system. There aren't. Any solution that expects to pass, and to have the backing of the country, means there will have to be compromise on all sides. If the need for good public policy can't get the Republicans to come together and get something done, then maybe fear of losing their majorities in Congress might compel some real leadership.
Unlike the Social Security stalemate, a compromise is possible, but it needs to be a compromise between McCain and Kyl, not McCain and Kennedy. Republican leaders should try and get as many Democrats on board as possible, but with Republicans in control of the House, Senate and the White House; Republicans have an obligation to lead irrespective of whether the Democrats wish to cooperate.
With an understanding going in that each side is going to have to give up something they deem non-negotiable, here is a rough outline around which a deal could be formed:
- it needs to be made clear (particularly to the Hispanic community) that the problem is illegal immigration not legal immigration.
-the flow of illegal immigrants has to be stopped. This is not about hiring x thousand more border agents or throwing more money at the problem. First, this means building a fence and securing the border. And second, fines and prison for employers and business owners that hire illegals. Law enforcement needs to be focused at the border and then within the country on employers, not the workers. The fact that you will not stop the illegal flow 100% misses the point and ignores the 90%-99% you will stop.
-the number of legal immigration slots needs to dramatically be increased. (Again, it has to be emphasized over and over that the problem is with illegal immigration, not legal immigration.)
-there needs to be some pathway to citizenship provided for the 11 million illegals here right now.
The right is going to cry amnesty at any process that puts illegals on a pathway to citizenship while still being able to live in the U.S. The left is going to balk at a real fence and shutting down the border. But liberals who say they are for enforcement and securing the border are going to have a hard time opposing the only real way to secure the border. And the only way conservatives will stomach what is effectively a 2nd amnesty is if they know a fence will go up and the illegal flow will grind to a halt.
With the President's leadership a compromise along these lines is possible. However, right now Bush and the GOP Congress appear rudderless; hoping gerrymandered House districts and not quite enough Republican Senate seats in play will keep them in power. Unfortunately for conservatives, it looks like they would rather play those odds than lead and grow their majority.
"The second pillar the GOP is endangering is the Hispanic community,"
LOL!!!!
Hear it comes..the shouts of "leftist lying media!"
"GOP voters are thrilled with GOP leadership!"
"Bush's low approval ratings are all lies!"
"GOP Congressional low approval ratings are all lies too!"
No amnesty. Not now. Not ever. Seal the borders and then start deporting. Bring in legal migrants.
If the immigration debate - which is an open & shut case - is killing the GOP, then the GOP deserves to die.
And this is coming from someone who NEVER voted for any Dim in his life.
Really? It isn't killing the Hispanic vote in my home. My wife is for far more "draconian" actions against illegals than HR 4437 calls for.
Let's coin a term. Immigration jihad.......
If the GOP would stand on principle, that is the upholding of the rule of law, they will do fine. If they don't, they will get killed.
False crisis disinfo pretending to placate "conservatives" (really just about everyone), while pushing through amnesty. Who pays this guy?
Ahhh...well, it's pretty obvious there's a lot of leftist wishfull thinking spin in this...so, what's your point?
You should have your meds adjusted.
"If they don't, they will get killed."
I 'spect a killin' is what they will get.
You don't split the difference with criminals.
Next?
A sound reasoned analysis, you will soon be eviscerated.
60 in '06!
If the GOP keeps to it's guns (maybe softening the House Bill somewhat) and not let a bill pass that does not contain some type of increased border enforcement and employer penalties then I think the GOP is OK. RATS could be shown to be soft on American sovereignty.
Who was the brain surgeon who put the felony language in the bill in the first place?
Rep. Peter King (news, bio, voting record) tried to explain on FOX News Sunday that the House bill is being distorted and humanitarians aiding illegals wouldn't be prosecuted, but it is too late. The House bill is killing Republicans in the Hispanic community.
King looked positively dopey trying to undo the damage that three months of allowing the false impression (if it is a false impression) to take a firm hold.
Round them up and send them home and put the military on the border.
So be it, good riddance!!
The votes for that do not exist. There is no way you will get the funding to "seal the border" if step two is "start deporting". You might not like hearing that, but that's the political reality. And if you want evidence of that, name the 51 Senators who have shown an inclination to vote for your bill. Or name the President who will sign it. Good luck.
Don't betray the very base of voters who have defended you is a plain and simple message don't you think?
"Amnesty" (no matter what form D.C.is pushing it) is a slap in th face of all legal immigrants.
His unwillingness to stand a 'pro-enforcement' stand, and his words about the benefits of immigration (he doesn't mention the illegal part, of course) only serves to encourage more illegal immigration and to incite those already here to be even MORE VOCAL and MORE OUTRAGEOUS.
I'm afraid his unwillingness to say 'enough is enough' when it comes to illegal immigration will do permanent damage to the country and the Republican Party long-term (since the majority of the illegals will vote democratic when they inevitably become citizens someday/somehow).
The democrats (did any of you see Ted Kenney today at one of the rallies?) will ENSURE that most (and even more to come in the future) DO become citizens. The democrats realize that they have a GOLD MINE here in millions of future voters!
This whole fiasco does not bode well for the future of the Republican Party.
They allowed themselved to get suckered into trying to fix ALL the illegal alien problems in one immigration bill, to fix everything wrong in one fell swoop.
I believe the GOP would have been on firmer ground if they took this one step at a time and the first step would have been protect our borders. Control the borders, then talk about other issues concerning illegals who do not respect laws.
The writer forgets to mention that many in this group also happen to be here illegally. Is this what the Republican Party has become? Will we throw away our conservative convictions because it's good for the Party? Pathetic!
"And if you want evidence of that, name the 51 Senators who have shown an inclination to vote for your bill."
Let's smoke them out by a vote. I think you might be surprised.
"Or name the President who will sign it. Good luck"
Let's put him to the test.
"They allowed themselved to get suckered into trying to fix ALL the illegal alien problems in one immigration bill, to fix everything wrong in one fell swoop."
Suckered by whom? George Bush?
Once again the Know Nothings and clueless rise to endanger the Nation. There is nothing the Left hopes for more than to whip up anger against the GOP. ALL assisting their efforts are endangering the Nation.
How the Right ever wins an election is a mystery since it is trivially simple to stampede it into Blind Alleys, over the Cliff with a few well-chosen LIES and news stories about lesser issues.
Those Hispanics that voted Bush were LEGAL immigrants, but the left still got the other 60%. Right now, polls (for what they're worth these days) say the LEGAL immigrants are against amnesty, because they had to work to get here LEGALLY.
Closing the borders and controlling the illegals would be a HUGE plus for Republicans. I hope they don't screw this up. This issue has been a big problem for years, and the Republicans should hit hard while the nation is watching this country being invaded by MILLIONS of illegal invaders on their TV's right now! The streets are full of illegal invaders, and the American people are looking right at them. Go for it now!!!
"I believe the GOP would have been on firmer ground if they took this one step at a time and the first step would have been protect our borders. Control the borders, then talk about other issues concerning illegals who do not respect laws."
By the way, that's a sound approach. Gives Bush the "out" that his "amnesty" can still be discussed.
RIP GOP
We aren't rudderless. It's that the captain has charted some wild courses lately, and the crew is grumbling. In fact, many of his officers, Boehner,Frist,Tancredo,Kyle and other officers are also wondering where in the heck the captain is taking the USS AMERICA lately.
Let's coin a term, GOP falling right into the plans of the
Democrats.
I am curious why this is the handiwork of the "no-compromise zealots."
Poll after poll shows Americans want something done about border security and do not want amnesty for illegals.
The base has told Bush and the GOP for years that they don't want amnesty. And that is not some kind of zealous irrationality - the Reagan amnesty didn't work - there is historical cause for that position.
And because Bush and RINOs in the GOP refuse to listen to the base, OR a strong majority of the American public, WE'RE NO-COMPROMISE?
Talk about getting it exactly backwards. Heck, even Krauthammer is saying, secure the border first. But Bush refuses to listen. HE is the one who won't compromise and take the prudent step of first securing the borders.
So if the party fissues, it will be his doing, not the fault of the base.
"Oh, and no border fence plus an amnesty program to sign up lots more Dem voters. I hope the no-compromise zealots on this issue will enjoy their handiwork."
The Democrats fear going to the voters opposing an enforcement first approach. That's one reason why Ben Nelson signed onto the Sessions amendment.
IMO the "hurting Republicans" meme was created be the lobbyists and laundered through the MSM. The only way it could hurt Repubs is if they don't make clear their difference from Bush and the MSM is allowed to continue confusing the issue.
Ahhh...well, it's pretty obvious there's a lot of leftist wishfull thinking spin in this...so, what's your point?
No doubt. My first reaction was to yell "The sky is falling, the sky is falling!"
Novel concept...
Maybe. I believe it is more egotistical than that.
They got suckered in by the lure of a potential and large voting block. In other words, just like the Dims, the Congressional Republicans starting acting as if this were a contest to see who could 'appease' the Hispanic voting block the most in order to get themselves votes in the next election.
In other words, they were suckered in purely for perceived votes, nothing more.
I just watched a bit of Moran on C-SPIN, and understand that Kennedy spoke there also. As I watched Moran inflame the crowd with attacks on "THESE PEOPLE that want to draw and quarter all hispanics (Republicans)", I thought to myself that would make a wonderful campaign commercial for the RNC, because I really believe that this demonstration will have the opposite effect that the dems and organizers hope for. On John Gibson's show, it was commented that dems were out there registering the illegals to vote. Wouldn't it be something if this all woke the legal Americans of all stripes to finally lower the boom in November and again in 2008?
This will kill the GOP...right after Harriet Miers kills the GOP and the Dubai Ports deal kills the GOP.
"Ironically, aside from some border lockdown issues, the conservatives and the liberals are starting to agree."
I've seen on the lefty sites utterly no one suggesting this is harming the GOP. They think the GOP is using this against them, and they certainly have not adopted the disinfo memes recycled here that this issue "hurts" the GOP in November. One or two suggest "Rove" is secretly against Amnesty and is conducting this debate to distract the people from Iraq!
First, how do you propose to do that? Which GOP Senator is going to propose what you advocate? And if you're so sure that can happen, why hasn't a Senator already done that? I haven't seen a hint that there is a significant number of Senators willing to support what you've proposed.
Anyway, they've already been "smoked out". Frist's "tougher" version couldn't even get 40 votes in the Senate. The Dems were united against it, and a lot of RINO's joined them. That's the reality. The votes just aren't there in the Senate. Heck, even the House bill doesn't require deportation, and doesn't build a complete wall.
Let's put him to the test.
Again, how do you propose to do that? Forgetting about actually passing your bill in the Senate, you can't even find a Senator willing to introduce it.
They have jobs and a life. Only the left wing parasites have nothing else to do all day but protest and check their mail boxes for that welcomed government handout.
The silent majority has always been silent, but they scream at the voting booth. If the Republicans jump on this issue NOW and do what has to be done while America is seeing the illegals - by the millions - marching in the streets, we'll take seats in Washington by a landslide!
People are seeing millions of illegal foreign invaders on the TV right now. Mexicans have literally invaded our major cities, and the Republicans have to strike NOW while the iron is hot!
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