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Networks challenge indecency ruling
Waterbury Republican-American ^ | April 15, 2006 | A.P.

Posted on 04/15/2006 5:51:33 PM PDT by Graybeard58

LOS ANGELES -- Four TV broadcast networks and their affiliates have filed court challenges to a March 15 Federal Communications Commission ruling that found several programs "indecent" because of language.

ABC, NBC, CBS and Fox, along with their network affiliate associations and the Hearst-Argyle Television group of stations, filed notices of appeal in various federal courts, including in Washington D.C. and New York. Some were filed late Thursday and the rest Friday morning.

The move represents a protest against the aggressive enforcement of federal indecency rules that broadcasters have complained are vague and inconsistently applied.

Millions of dollars in fines have been levied based on those rules.

The appeals challenge the FCC's finding that profane language was used on the CBS program "The Early Show," in 2004, incidents involving Cher and Nicole Richie on the "Billboard Music Awards" shows broadcast by Fox in 2002 and 2003 and various episodes of the ABC show "NYPD Blue" that aired in 2003.

The FCC did not issue fines in those cases because the incidents occurred before a 2004 ruling that virtually any use of certain expletives would be considered profane and indecent.

While none of the cases involved NBC, the network filed a petition to intervene on behalf of the other networks and stations.

The networks and affiliate groups, representing more than 800 individual stations, issued a rare joint statement Friday calling the FCC ruling "unconstitutional and inconsistent with two decades of previous FCC decisions.

"In filing these court appeals we are seeking to overturn the FCC decisions that the broadcast of fleeting, isolated -- and in some cases unintentional -- words rendered these programs indecent."

The networks and stations said the FCC "overstepped its authority" and acted arbitrarily in not giving the networks a clear standard for what content is objectionable.

FCC spokeswoman Tamara Lipper said Friday that the U.S. Supreme Court ruled more than 20 years ago that comedian George Carlin's monologue on the "7 dirty words you can't say on television and radio" was indecent.

"Today, Disney, Fox and CBS challenged that precedent and argued that they should be able to air two of those same words," Lipper said. "We are reviewing their filings."

The Walt Disney Co. owns ABC.

In three of the cases being appealed, the FCC found that violations occurred during live broadcasts. A contestant from the CBS show "Survivor: Vanuatu," for instance, used a variation of the "S" word when referring to another contestant on "The Early Show" in December 2004.

The FCC found the use "indecent," but did not issue a fine because "our precedent at the time of the broadcast did not clearly indicate that the commission would take enforcement action against an isolated use of the 'S-word,"' the FCC wrote in its March 15 order.

In the case of "NYPD Blue," the FCC found that the show's use of a variation of the "S" word was indecent because the episode aired at 9 p.m. in the Central and Mountain time zones. The use of the word after 10 p.m. in the Eastern and Pacific time zones was not objectionable, the FCC found.

The networks and affiliates Friday said they objected to the "growing government control over what viewers should and shouldn't see on television."

The group said parents already have the ability to block certain programs by using the V-chip and various other parental controls.


TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Extended News; Government
KEYWORDS: disgusting; fcc; filth; indecency; obscene; perverted; satelliteradio; trashtv; xmradio
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Sounds like a crock of "S" word to me. Adults can choose what they and their children watch. If it's offensive - turn it off.
1 posted on 04/15/2006 5:51:34 PM PDT by Graybeard58
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To: Graybeard58

I disagree. if the broadcasters get away with using filthy langiuage the airwaves will be filled witf f words and s words just like the movies are filled with them today to the point where you cant see a decent movie without getting your ears burned.


2 posted on 04/15/2006 6:04:02 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002

Then turn it off if it offense you. The govenment should not be involved in TV.


3 posted on 04/15/2006 6:06:07 PM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Graybeard58
Give us back "family time" TV hours. Save the vulgarities for late night or cable. Civility is sorely lacking from our society.
4 posted on 04/15/2006 6:07:39 PM PDT by Ruth A. (we might as well fight in the first ditch as the last)
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To: Ruth A.
Civility is sorely lacking from our society.

I couldn't agree more, but I doubt if the FCC is the one to bring it back.

5 posted on 04/15/2006 6:11:14 PM PDT by Izzy Dunne (Hello, I'm a TAGLINE virus. Please help me spread by copying me into YOUR tag line.)
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To: Ruth A.
Civility is sorely lacking from our society.

I agree with that.

Call me a moron, idiot or troll for saying it but civility is lacking right here at F.R. at times.

6 posted on 04/15/2006 6:13:23 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: napscoordinator

I dont need to turn it off now , it isnt there. It shouldnt be there . If you wish to hear filthy language on your TV rent a movie. The government IS in TV and will stay there. Most movies are censored now, in some like Smokey and the bandit, the censorship does ruin the movie.
One of the prices that have to be paid.

The US doesnt need foul obscene language proliferating its airwaves. The government has always censored radio and radio traffic among users of commercial radio's. I doubt it will stop.


7 posted on 04/15/2006 6:22:57 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Graybeard58; albertp; Allosaurs_r_us; Abram; Americanwolfsbrother; AlexandriaDuke; Americanwolf; ...
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8 posted on 04/15/2006 6:39:40 PM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/israel_palestine_conflict.htm)
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To: sgtbono2002
Most movies are censored now, in some like Smokey and the bandit, the censorship does ruin the movie.

It ruined it in "My Cousin Vinney" too.

One of the funniest movies ever but the version released for tv was a dud.

9 posted on 04/15/2006 6:43:19 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: Graybeard58

I will second that.


10 posted on 04/15/2006 6:43:38 PM PDT by pollyannaish
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To: Graybeard58
"Call me a moron, idiot or troll for saying it but civility is lacking right here at F.R. at times."

Ok, you moronic, idiotic, troll! Unfortunately, you're also absolutely right, so I guess that means you're neither moronic nor idiotic, and probably not really a troll, either. (and I do hope you have a sense of humor about being called such things, even in jest, by someone who doesn't know you well enough to safely presume to do so...)
11 posted on 04/15/2006 6:59:01 PM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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To: sgtbono2002
Most movies are censored now, in some like Smokey and the bandit, the censorship does ruin the movie.

In some movies the original cast records a "tamer" version and unless you knew the script from the theater version you wouldn't really notice. Then there was Die Hard 2 where John McClane's (Bruce Willis) line was changed from "Yippee-kye-yay, M*#*@*# F(#*#*#!" to "Yippee-kye-yay, Mr. Falcon!". First, the line made no sense. Second, the person who said "Mr. Falcon" didn't sound anything like Bruce Willis. It would have been far less jarring to just remove the line altogether.

12 posted on 04/15/2006 7:44:54 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (If you have a leaking pipe, you shut off the water valve before deciding on amnesty for the puddles.)
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To: Graybeard58

Here's my concern: the only reason there's any argument over what's indecent and what ain't is that we haven't sold the airwaves yet. To me, the big question isn't whether the seven dirty words are dirty or not, but WTF is the FCC doing holding on to any jurisdiction over this stuff? Why is the federal government holding property like airwaves unnecessarily? These could have been sold YEARS ago and the owners would have been paying into the federal tax coffers instead of Americans.


13 posted on 04/15/2006 8:32:43 PM PDT by LibertarianInExile ('Is' and 'amnesty' both have clear, plain meanings. Are Billy Jeff and the President related?)
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To: Old Student
(WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.)

Hey, I made E-4 twice in 4 years in the Air Force that should have made me an E-8 but it didn't.

It was called A/1C in those days which should tell you how ancient I am.

I made that idiotic, moronic, troll comment in jest, hoping someone would see the humor in it.

14 posted on 04/15/2006 8:57:21 PM PDT by Graybeard58 (Remember and pray for Sgt. Matt Maupin - MIA/POW- Iraq since 04/09/04)
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To: sgtbono2002
I disagree. if the broadcasters get away with using filthy langiuage the airwaves will be filled witf f words and s words just like the movies are filled with them today to the point where you cant see a decent movie without getting your ears burned.

Do you think that content from private broadcasters (satellite radio & cable, for eg.) should be subject to FCC censorship as well?

15 posted on 04/15/2006 8:57:43 PM PDT by Ken H
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To: Graybeard58

Sounds like the FCC is as effective as the ICE.


16 posted on 04/15/2006 10:29:16 PM PDT by Fruit of the Spirit
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To: sgtbono2002

The US doesnt need foul obscene language proliferating its airwaves. The government has always censored radio and radio traffic among users of commercial radio's. I doubt it will stop.


Your right on both counts. I just wish the government would stay out and the networks would clean up its own mess.


17 posted on 04/16/2006 2:30:49 AM PDT by napscoordinator
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To: Ken H

If you are a Ham operator you are subject to FCC regulation, What is more private than that. There is no such thing as being a "private" broadcaster. When you put messages in the air they are far from private.


18 posted on 04/16/2006 4:21:41 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: napscoordinator

That would be the best solution, but they wont.

Wave a dollar bill at them and anything goes. Ask Stern.


19 posted on 04/16/2006 4:23:49 AM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: Graybeard58
I only made E-4 once, a month after they changed it from Sergeant to Senior Airman. They argued that I wasn't qualified for it because I hadn't gotten my 5-level certification as a photographer, and tried to ignore the fact that I had made it as an aircraft mechanic before I wrecked my knees and had to retrain. Took me another year (me and about 10-15,000 others) to make Sgt. Late 70's? Something like that. By then we'd become a little less like the Army. One of my HS buddies had enlisted in the Army, and told me they were busting people whose shoes weren't shined satisfactorily at the end of the day. (In the USAF, they might bust you if they weren't shined properly at the beginning of the day, but they did know what they had done to you that day...)

I figured you'd have a sense of humor about it, but I've figured wrong once in a while, too. Thanks! Have a happy and blessed Easter!
20 posted on 04/16/2006 7:31:58 AM PDT by Old Student (WRM, MSgt, USAF(Ret.))
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