[af_vet_rr]

The scary thing is, if this goes through, if the states bend over for the feds, people will trust this ID way too much, which would create a very insecure invironment for the nation.

Combine that with federal facilities (courthouses, etc.) requiring one of these to enter, and you create the situation where people blindly trust the government with these things, and when (not if) they are broken and falsified, people will have been lulled into sense of security and trust them at face value.

[XJarhead]

Combine that with federal facilities (courthouses, etc.) requiring one of these to enter, and you create the situation where people blindly trust the government with these things, and when (not if) they are broken and falsified, people will have been lulled into sense of security and trust them at face value.

But isn't that already the case with the current I.D. system? I mean, I can't imagine that the state I.D. currently required to enter federal courts are tougher to forge than a federal one using updated technology.

It's a tough issue.

[bigdcaldavis]

Or what if New York decides to go along with the Real ID Act National ID card thing. Just picture this : You're from New Hampshire, you have a non-Real ID Act-complying New Hampshire driver's license, and you get pulled over in New York City. The cop asks for your license and registration. The cop notices that you have a NH license. He says, "I'm sorry, but this is an invalid driver's license." You say "How come?" The cop replies "We only recognize driver's licenses from Real ID Act-complying states as valid driver's licenses." Then all of a sudden the cops draws his pistol and points it at you, saying "You are under arrest for operating a motor vehicle in the State of New York without a valid operator's license." Then you're hauled to jail and your car is impounded.

[sweetliberty]

"if the states bend over for the feds"

The states have been bending over for the feds since the end of the Civil War. The feds abolished one kind of slavery and, over time, have instituted another. Its chains are forged of federal money. The states have become so dependent on federal money they wouldn't dare to challenge anything that would put them at risk of losing it.