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Clueless Joe Wilson
Slate ^ | 17 Apr 06 | Christopher Hitchens

Posted on 04/17/2006 1:30:56 PM PDT by rellimpank

Nobody appears to dispute what I wrote in last week's Slate to the effect that in February 1999, Saddam Hussein dispatched his former envoy to the International Atomic Energy Agency, and former delegate to non-proliferation conferences at the United Nations, to Niger. Wissam al-Zahawie was, at the time of his visit, the accredited ambassador of Iraq to the Vatican: a more senior post than it may sound, given that the Vatican was almost the only full European embassy that Iraq then possessed. And nobody has proposed an answer to my question: Given the fact that Niger is synonymous with uranium (and was Iraq's source of "yellowcake" in 1981), and given that Zahawie had been Iraq's main man in nuclear diplomacy, what innocent explanation can be found for his trip

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: alzahawie; bushlied; cialeak; hitchens; iraq; josephwilson; plame; wilson; zahawie
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1 posted on 04/17/2006 1:30:58 PM PDT by rellimpank
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To: rellimpank

bttt


2 posted on 04/17/2006 1:32:55 PM PDT by Christian4Bush (FreeRepublic and Rush Limbaugh: kevlar protection from the Drive-By Media.)
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To: American_Centurion; An.American.Expatriate; ASA.Ranger; ASA Vet; Atigun; bannedfromdu; Beckwith; ...

fyi


3 posted on 04/17/2006 1:38:31 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: rellimpank; Shermy

Well, someone has been reading FR.

While we're exposing dirty laundry, where did Libya get its uranium from?

Its original stash came from Niger. Where did its newer stash come from?

If you notice that Libya borders with Niger, you're cheating. Niger would never engage in contraband uranium sales, Wilson assured us that. Its all been checked out by the IAEA, Wilson assured us that also.

Except that IAEA itself said that they did not monitor Niger at all for three reasons; one, they didn't have legal permission from the government of Niger; two, they didn't have the personnel; and three, its just low-grade yellowcake, after all.

So, where did Libya get its yellowcake?


4 posted on 04/17/2006 1:43:16 PM PDT by marron
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To: rellimpank

Christopher Hitchens: the rare socialist that I respect, ferociously honest and pro-democracy.

Joe Wilson: Lying, manipulative media whore psychopath. The kind of vermin that I (and Hitchens) absolutely despise.


5 posted on 04/17/2006 1:44:06 PM PDT by FormerACLUmember (No program, no ideas, no clue: The democrats!)
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To: rellimpank

I'd love to see the scowls on the faces of The Nation's readers.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 1:48:54 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: TexasCajun

ops. Slate readers


7 posted on 04/17/2006 1:49:13 PM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: FormerACLUmember

Joe Wilson was going to Niger on private company business. His wife arranged for an 'all expenses paid, no strings attached' trip for Joe, on the CIA's ticket, to 'spy' for them to see if Saddam was buying Yellowcake from the President Of Niger.

What was Joe's private company in the business of? In Niger?


8 posted on 04/17/2006 1:50:13 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: marron; Fedora

I'm not sure he has read these FR pages.

1. He did not mention it was Wilson himself who was sent to Niger (on suggestion of his wife) in 1999. Presumably thgat dealt with the Zahawie matter. That is referenced in the Sentate intelligence report. I'd think he would have mentioned that.

2. He mentions Wilson's flippant spin on the al-Sahaf meeting in Algeria. The spin is it was al-Sahaf, alias Baghdad Bob, so how serious could that meeting have been?

But Baghdad Bob's blustering days were a post-2001 gig. What position did Al-Sahaf hold at the time of the meeting? Foreign Minister of Iraq. Nothing to sneeze at I'd say.


9 posted on 04/17/2006 1:53:01 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: UCANSEE2

You thinking along the same lines as I am. Joe Wilson made a lot of money being a “consultant” to business interests in Africa. I wonder if Wilson’s business connections in Niger and Africa led him to lie about Niger’s yellowcake production.


10 posted on 04/17/2006 1:53:39 PM PDT by Ticonderoga34
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To: marron

"Niger would never engage in contraband uranium sales, Wilson assured us that."

Especially because the mines are controlled by French companies. FRENCH companies.

/sarc


11 posted on 04/17/2006 1:54:53 PM PDT by Shermy
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To: Shermy

Why was Joe going to Niger in the first place?

What does the company he owns do as a business? (the one that was in Niger waiting for him)


12 posted on 04/17/2006 1:55:03 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: rellimpank

Hitchens has utterly destroyed Wilson. Fun to watch.


13 posted on 04/17/2006 1:57:39 PM PDT by JmyBryan
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To: Fedora; ScaniaBoy; MNJohnnie; Protect the Bill of Rights; mass55th; Enchante

This is good follow-up to the New York Sun thread.


14 posted on 04/17/2006 1:58:32 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: zert_28

Twice Joe made the trip to Niger. Once during the Clinton admin., the other during the Bush admin.

Each ime the CIA was tasked with determining if Niger was selling Yellowcake ore to Saddam.

Each time, Saddam somehow scored a shipment of Yellowcake ore.

Each time, Joe told the CIA (he was not under any oath to tell the truth, he signed no papers) that there were no sales.


Joe's company brokers sales of Yellowcake ore for the President of Niger.
Joe's company brokers sales of Yellowcake ore for the President of Niger.
Joe's company brokers sales of Yellowcake ore for the President of Niger.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 2:00:17 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: UCANSEE2

Joe would seem to be self-employed:

"Wilson manages JCWilson International Ventures, Corporation, a consulting firm specializing in strategic management and international business development.

Wilson is a speaker represented exclusively by Greater Talent Network."


16 posted on 04/17/2006 2:02:12 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123

His company, among other things, is a broker for the President of Niger.


17 posted on 04/17/2006 2:07:16 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: YaYa123

Didn't Joe Wilso,s consulting firm share office space with Almudi (sp) now in jail for various things, one being caught with a huge amount of cash from Libya?


18 posted on 04/17/2006 2:09:00 PM PDT by tinamina
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To: UCANSEE2; YaYa123

He is in business with a Saudi investor, specializing in west african mining.


19 posted on 04/17/2006 2:09:09 PM PDT by marron
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To: YaYa123

...and JCWilson International Ventures, Corporation, brokers deals for the President of Niger, or has done so in the past, IIRC.


20 posted on 04/17/2006 2:09:36 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: tinamina

Well, Joe didn't lie. He said Niger didn't sell Yellowcake to Saddam, and he was correct. Niger sold it to Libya, and Libya sold it to Saddam. Almudi handled the Libyan part of the deal, and made a ton of dough.

The 'fake' documents that have been discussed (from the French) are all a part of the coverup.


21 posted on 04/17/2006 2:13:21 PM PDT by UCANSEE2 (I will go down with this ship, and I won't put my hands up in surrender.)
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To: Howlin; STARWISE

Pinging for interest.


22 posted on 04/17/2006 2:19:05 PM PDT by Laverne
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To: marron
So, where did Libya get its yellowcake?

From Niger, of course. Thanks to...

a. French corruption or...

b. French incompetence.

Take your pick...

23 posted on 04/17/2006 2:20:26 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: rellimpank

http://townhall.com/opinion/columns/johnleo/2006/04/17/193811.html

"It turns out Bush was right about Iraq's quest for uranium
Apr 17, 2006
by John Leo"


24 posted on 04/17/2006 2:20:47 PM PDT by YaYa123
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To: YaYa123

Thanks YaYa. That's another excellent Hitchens article. Rush said that Hitchens was doing some great work on the Niger/Uranium connection. I'm glad to see he is being relentless in his pursuit of Wilson. Clueless Joe thought he was being smart starting this whole mess. He obviously didn't know how it could backfire on him.


25 posted on 04/17/2006 2:24:36 PM PDT by mass55th (Courage is being scared to death - but saddling up anyway~~John Wayne)
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To: YaYa123; Shermy

Glad to see Hitchens is staying on that. Wilson cannot sustain serious crossexamination, and has only survived this long because the press has not subjected him to it.

Good point on Baghdad Bob in #9. He did not become an object of caricature until the Western world was exposed to his transparent absurdity firsthand in 2003. But before that any message he conveyed on Saddam's behalf through diplomatic channels would've been regarded quite seriously by officials of other nations.


26 posted on 04/17/2006 2:33:59 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: UCANSEE2
Joe's company brokers sales of Yellowcake ore for the President of Niger.

Bingo! The tumblers in the lock just dropped into place. That is a spooky piece of analysis. It explains why Wilson is so rabid in his attacks. He's either a double agent (for the French?) or perhaps a rogue agent.

27 posted on 04/17/2006 2:39:43 PM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: FormerACLUmember

Psychopath, no; Sociopath and narcissist - (like Clinton and Kerry) - yes!


28 posted on 04/17/2006 2:56:03 PM PDT by bjc (Check the data!!)
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To: rellimpank

I love Hitchens even if he's a lefty. I can't wait for him to make the rounds of the morning shows with this in his arsenal.

................*sound of crickets*................


29 posted on 04/17/2006 3:15:29 PM PDT by originalbuckeye
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To: rellimpank

Ohhh WOE is me...

Why's everybody always pickin on us???

30 posted on 04/17/2006 3:31:18 PM PDT by Chode (1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT. American Hedonist )
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To: marron

I have wondered a lot about a possible Libya-Niger connection on uranium, and about the sources and support for Libya's nuke program in general. So little has been written about that - everyone's gone silent on Libya.... WHY? Didn't we bring all kinds of equipment back to Oak Ridge (from Libya's program)?? I guess it's being kept super-classified, but is there nothing that could be released to inform the public about how these clandestine WMD networks operated with IMPUNITY during the Clinton years?

As for the border between Libya and Niger, I've wondered about that too, but when I look up what maps I could find awhile back, there did not seem to be any roads at all for that area (unless they just aren't significant enough to appear on most maps). I don't know whether or not it would be physically possible to truck uranium from Niger's mines into Libya, but in any case Libya presumably got uranium from somewhere...... WHO arranged that and how?


31 posted on 04/17/2006 4:13:44 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: UCANSEE2; ScaniaBoy; marron; Fedora; piasa; Peach; Howlin; ravingnutter; Jane Austen; ...
"JCWilson International Ventures, Corporation, brokers deals for the President of Niger, or has done so in the past, IIRC."

Is this confirmed anywhere?? This would be a HUGE conflict-of-interest, which a number of us have speculated about on other threads in the past. Wilson flies in, gives his current or potential business associates a "clean bill of health" with the CIA and US Gov't, and he is able to cash in on more consulting contracts, etc. in Niger and other countries in the region. His business interests would have been greatly aided by his being viewed as helpful and protective to current and former officials in Niger; otoh, he could have sunk his business future forever in the region if he had come up with anything suggesting Niger was interested in selling any uranium to Iraq...... How very convenient for Joe, that lying-sack-of-feces..... er, I mean, that paragon of honesty and integrity....
32 posted on 04/17/2006 4:22:15 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: marron; Enchante; All
Well this series of articles is sure filling in some of the blanks. Like a jigsaw puzzle the pieces are beginning to fit. Joe Wilson, traitor for profit as well as agenda.

Pieces falling into place like Koffi cup's food for oil skimming and the reason Russia and France didn't want military action against Saddam.

33 posted on 04/17/2006 4:30:39 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Another handgun jumps to the aid of a person in danger.)
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To: rellimpank
Maybe the seven retired generals attacking Rumsfeld story is being hyped so that the discrediting of Joe Wilson doesn't get any attention.

Of course, if the 'Rats regain the House in the November 2006 elections, they'll proceed to treat Joe Wilson's claims as gospel truth (no matter how many times debunked) in drawing up the articles of impeachment.

34 posted on 04/17/2006 5:03:40 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: Enchante; UCANSEE2

I, too, would like to see back-up for this... "brokers deals for the President of Niger". I'm aware of his association with Almoudi, a Saudi investor. The Almoudis have connections with Libya, for what its worth.


35 posted on 04/17/2006 5:28:03 PM PDT by marron
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To: Enchante

Quoting from Financial Times:

The FT has now learnt that three European intelligence services were aware of possible illicit trade in uranium from Niger between 1999 and 2001. Human intelligence gathered in Italy and Africa more than three years before the Iraq war had shown Niger officials referring to possible illicit uranium deals with at least five countries, including Iraq.

This intelligence provided clues about plans by Libya and Iran to develop their undeclared nuclear programmes. Niger officials were also discussing sales to North Korea and China of uranium ore or the "yellow cake" refined from it: the raw materials that can be progressively enriched to make nuclear bombs.

The raw intelligence on the negotiations included indications that Libya was investing in Niger's uranium industry to prop it up at a time when demand had fallen, and that sales to Iraq were just a part of the clandestine export plan. These secret exports would allow countries with undeclared nuclear programmes to build up uranium stockpiles.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1161297/posts

End quote...

As for the roads between Niger and Libya, I agree with you.

Still, who monitors the shipments out of Cotonou, Benin (where Niger's urnanium ships out), to know which ships get loaded by which trucks?

It came out in the congressional hearings that Navy Intel had word of a warehouse in Cotonou, full of contraband uranium, which they reported to CIA. CIA waited a month before sending anyone to check on it, and found nothing. The Navy's contact was a trader supposedly involved, and willing to talk; CIA never interviewed him, saying they didn't know they were supposed to. Which shows how interested they were in finding out about uranium smuggling.


36 posted on 04/17/2006 5:43:01 PM PDT by marron
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To: Enchante; UCANSEE2; marron
Wilson's ex-wife Jacqueline lobbies for the President of Gabon, which might be what UCANSEE2 is recalling. I don't recall seeing any direct evidence of Wilson's own company brokering deals for Niger per se. He does have business interests in Niger, though. He wrote in The Politics of Truth, 275-276:

I opened a “boutique” consulting business to help American and international companies invest in Africa. Risk assessment, project development, and strategic management were my focus, as I wanted to take the lessons of my foreign service years and put them to use managing businesses in an international setting. . .My list of clients was small. . .my geographical reach extended into Africa, Western Europe, and Turkey. . .I had become involved in gold mining in West Africa--including in Niger, which was just opening up some fields--as well as telecommunications and the petroleum sector. Oil from Africa was emerging as an alternative to oil from the Persian Gulf, with new discoveries in Angola and Equatorial Guinea fueling a surge of interest.

He elaborated to Vanity Fair:

"I have a number of clients, and basically we help them with their sort of investments in countries like Niger," explains Wilson. "Niger was of some interest because it has some gold deposits coming onstream. We had some clients who were interested in gold. . .We were looking to set up a gold-mine company out of London."

37 posted on 04/17/2006 5:53:59 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: rellimpank

BTTT


38 posted on 04/17/2006 6:08:50 PM PDT by kellynla (Freedom of speech makes it easier to spot the idiots. Semper Fi!)
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To: Fedora

Thanks...


39 posted on 04/17/2006 6:09:11 PM PDT by marron
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To: Enchante
"As for the border between Libya and Niger, I've wondered about that too, but when I look up what maps I could find awhile back, there did not seem to be any roads at all for that area (unless they just aren't significant enough to appear on most maps). I don't know whether or not it would be physically possible to truck uranium from Niger's mines into Libya, but in any case Libya presumably got uranium from somewhere...... WHO arranged that and how?"

Statements you made to marron in post #31.
OK.
On my 1980 vintage Times World Atlas maps of the NE section of Niger where it connects with southern Libya.
There is a secondary road that leads into Libya that extends all the way up to the basic center of Libya then becomes a full service road as it heads toward the capital (Sabha).
So there was a direct ground route into Libya. We must also remember, one could load up cargo planes with yellowcake packed in 55gal drums. So one could over many flights and truck convoys easily ship tens of tons per week to Libya.
Hope that helps.
As far as your next comment P#32 directed to me and others, where you ask if Joe the crooks firm dealt directly with the Nigerian government, I to had remember reading articles at FR that indicated that was the case. Don't think I had bookmarked them so it would be tought to wade through the feeding frenzy we had back when.
At least at this point we understand just how big of a lying sack of @hit Joe the Crook truly is.
Perhaps he will end up publically being charged with aiding the enemy eventually, but I doubt it. Snakes like him have to many people in high places to protect him. They all just want GWB descredited, they can't afford to let any of their goon squads to be exposed.
40 posted on 04/17/2006 6:29:17 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: marron

Good info, thanks! I don't doubt for a second that Niger might have shipped uranium ore to Libya (or a number of other countries) by sea if they thought they could get away with it..... I was only saying that the (apparent) lack of a good road meant that the adjacent location of Libya did not necessarily make it likely that they would obtain their uranium from Niger. However, there are relatively few possible sources, and given the atrocious record of French companies and government with the "oil for food" program, no rational person (that excludes Joe Wilson and his fans) could possibly take any assurances of the French consortium which runs Niger's uranium mines with the slightest confidence. Also, even if high officials were 'clean' that doesn't mean some middle officials in-country couldn't have worked out a scheme to "cook the books" and siphon off some of the ore for their own corrupt purposes. Given that Iraq (and Libya, and other rogue states) would be willing to pay top dollar (nay, perhaps much more than top dollar) for any illicit uranium they could obtain, there were all kinds of motives and incentives for the players to try to deceive the USA. Joe Wilson's naivete (or wilful ignorance) about these matters is one of the most appalling aspects of the whole affair. Then there is the total failure of the MSM to see through him and ask some hard questions.


41 posted on 04/17/2006 6:32:05 PM PDT by Enchante (Democrats: "We are ALL broken and worn out, our party & ideas, what else is new?")
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To: Enchante
I haven't read the rest of the thread, yet, but, IIRC, yes, I do seem to remember that Wilson NOW has some kind of business deal with Niger and Gabon, through his second, FRENCH ex-wife.
42 posted on 04/17/2006 7:22:03 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: Fedora

That's what I was thinking of! :-)


43 posted on 04/17/2006 7:24:21 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: nopardons

LOL--yep, that's the one :-)


44 posted on 04/17/2006 8:33:39 PM PDT by Fedora
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To: Fedora
My memory is usually VERY good, but right now, it's a bit slow at pulling up some exact facts and you know why. LOL

Mail coming your way. :-)

45 posted on 04/17/2006 8:39:47 PM PDT by nopardons
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To: 6SJ7
He's either a double agent (for the French?) or perhaps a rogue agent.

You do know that his ex-wife (Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi), a French citizen and mother of his first children, was accreditied as a French diplomat and assigned to several French embassies overseas in West Africa as, ahem, "cultural liason," right? That's where they met before he married her. They were assigned to the same country, he from the US and she from France.

46 posted on 04/17/2006 9:00:06 PM PDT by FreedomCalls (It's the "Statue of Liberty," not the "Statue of Security.")
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To: Grampa Dave
"Niger has two commodities ......yellow cake and sand. Iraq already has sand."

Charles Krauthammer

( That's a close recollection of the quote, Dave; don't have it on tape.)
47 posted on 04/17/2006 9:02:11 PM PDT by BIGLOOK (Order of Battle: Sink or capture as Prize, MS Media)
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To: FreedomCalls
You do know that his ex-wife (Jacqueline Marylene Giorgi), a French citizen and mother of his first children, was accreditied as a French diplomat and assigned to several French embassies overseas in West Africa as, ahem, "cultural liason," right? That's where they met before he married her. They were assigned to the same country, he from the US and she from France.

I did not know that. Very interesting!

48 posted on 04/18/2006 3:42:55 AM PDT by 6SJ7
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To: BIGLOOK

I struck on this one, too. Yahoo search can't find the quote.


49 posted on 04/18/2006 6:45:08 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: rellimpank

BTTT


50 posted on 04/18/2006 9:05:25 AM PDT by aculeus
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