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Defective state police guns to be replaced [Indiana State Police Glocks]
The Terre Haute [Indiana] TRIBUNE-STAR ^ | 12 April 2006 | The Tribune-Star

Posted on 04/17/2006 3:12:05 PM PDT by archy

Defective state police guns to be replaced

The Tribune-Star

Indiana State Police will receive new Glock 9 mm handguns as a result of functional problems with their current Glock 40-caliber handguns.

About 50 guns that were identified as dysfunctional through a manufacturer defect will be replaced, said Indiana State Police Sgt. Joe Watts.

The manufacturer is replacing the guns at no cost to State Police, Watts said.

No timeline has been set for when the new handguns will arrive. When they arrive, police will be trained on their use.

State troopers can carry one of the new, replaced handguns or the gun previously carried, a Beretta 40-caliber, he said.

Last year, State Police replaced their old Berettas with the new Glocks.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Government; News/Current Events; US: Georgia; US: Indiana; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: 40; 9mm; bang; banglist; donutwatch; glock; glock22; indianastatepolice
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There's a little more to it than *just* what's reported. The ISP is replacing their .40 caliber Glock Model 22 handguns with the 9mm caliber Model 17 Glock. More at other stories/ news reports as follows:

WISH-TV Ch 8 report, with pics and video.

Indianapolis Star report, State police replace troubled guns

Chicago Tribune report [Note: the Illinois State Police have also reportedly had problems with their own Glock handguns, with Glock replacing all 2,270 ILSP Glock Model 22 handguns at a significant discount around June of last year]

1 posted on 04/17/2006 3:12:09 PM PDT by archy
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To: archy
No mention of what the "malfunction" was.

Hard to see why they are changing out for 17s when the design is virtually identical to the Model 22s.
2 posted on 04/17/2006 3:15:20 PM PDT by BenLurkin (O beautiful for patriot dream - that sees beyond the years)
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To: archy
This guy says the guns are just fine...


3 posted on 04/17/2006 3:15:32 PM PDT by Always Right
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To: archy

Never liked Glocks. In my shooting club another instructor blew up TWO barrels on his Glock in succession, and had to go for factory warranty service. Royal pain. CZ series, especially with Bar-Sto barrels, is so much more reliable.


4 posted on 04/17/2006 3:17:27 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: archy

I don't care for any handgun which required pulling the trigger as part of the disassembly process.

The other problem with the Glock is if there is a cartrige case malfunction, it channels the blast to ones hand.

The Springfield XD has the same design "features".

The Early Beretta M-92 had problems with the slide flying back and hitting the firer in the face. "You're not a SEAL until you taste Italian steel."

I really like the Browning designed Colt Commander, having owned two, and the Colt 1911A1, having owned only one.




5 posted on 04/17/2006 3:20:45 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (A Turk is always a Turk, but you don't know WHAT a Christian will do.)
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To: archy

model 19 S&W with a wheel of full house 125 grain .357 rounds. devastating. (plus a couple of speed loaders on your belt just in case)

the idea is to aim then shoot. not spray and pray.


6 posted on 04/17/2006 3:22:19 PM PDT by Vaquero ("An armed society is a polite society" Robert A. Heinlein)
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To: BenLurkin

They KB!

Course there are cool nicknames that are avaiable afterwards, like Three-Fingered Jack.


7 posted on 04/17/2006 3:23:21 PM PDT by Donald Meaker (A Turk is always a Turk, but you don't know WHAT a Christian will do.)
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To: archy; Squantos
What was the malfunction and why didn't they go with the G21 instead if they wanted to stay with Glock? I just have to ask.

Not much in the stopping power department with the 17 from what I've seen

8 posted on 04/17/2006 3:30:14 PM PDT by Horatio Gates (When it hits the fan, it may not be evenly distributed.)
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To: archy

I never heard of a revolver being recalled.

They always shoot they never jam.

If you have 6 shots and dont hit what you aim at what good is having more?


9 posted on 04/17/2006 3:40:05 PM PDT by sgtbono2002
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To: sgtbono2002
"I never heard of a revolver being recalled."

My father left me a number of handguns after he passed away.

With the exception of a 1911 Colt .45 and a Colt Woodsman .22, I only shoot the revolvers.

I've got several modern semi-automatic handguns, and the technical orders for them, but I still can't figure out their features or how they work.

The handgun experts at the gun club say, "Well, I've never actually shot one of these, but I think..."

I'm going to put these beautiful pieces on auction because I don't know how to shoot them.

I can't shoot a pistol that someone I trust can't show me how to use.

10 posted on 04/17/2006 4:02:03 PM PDT by billorites (freepo ergo sum)
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To: All

Ive never trusted using any 40 caliber Glock. There are more instances than I can count of 40 cal G22s and G23s self destructing with even slightly out of spec factory ammo.

The problem is the 40 Smith and Wesson round, not the gun.

I have two 9mm Glocks, a 17, and a 26. I carry the 26 every day, and have it on me as I type this. Never have I experienced a moment's trouble with either of them.

With proper loads, the G17 is a just fine street handgun. If one goes for a loading such as the 127Gr +P Win Ranger load, then all will be well.


11 posted on 04/17/2006 4:11:29 PM PDT by Armedanddangerous (Master of Sinanju (Emeritus))
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To: Donald Meaker
I don't care for any handgun which required pulling the trigger as part of the disassembly process.

Now that THERE is a BIG ten four!

12 posted on 04/17/2006 4:18:13 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: billorites

So what are you selling? I'm always interested in Sigs and Berettas


13 posted on 04/17/2006 4:19:28 PM PDT by Mad Dawg (If you find yourself in a fair fight, you did not prepare properly.)
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To: GSlob

Could have been hot load-yer-own ammo or having used unjacketed bullets; although an instructor should know better...my bet's on hot loads......

I've go four Glocks and I'm not particularly fond of them compared to my Berettas and 1911s, but they'll do fine as long as the right ammunition is used and they're not limp-wristed...


14 posted on 04/17/2006 4:23:19 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: archy

Had several .40 cal glocks and found them extremely reliable,

Went to a training course last year. Probably 50 people in the class. At least 50% were Glocks. Each person shot approx 1000 thousand rounds.

Glocks had almost zero failure to fires, serveral were right out of the box. No breaking, tuning, etc. Among the other guns there were plenty of failures.

KB for Glocks in almost every case I've heard of they were reloads.


15 posted on 04/17/2006 4:23:33 PM PDT by skyman
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To: Gaffer

I shot crazy-hot loads from my 9mm CZ-75 [loading a .357 jacketed bullet instead of .355, for starters] - and Bar-Sto barrel handled it all as if it were nothing. I had to replace the takedown pin, though.


16 posted on 04/17/2006 4:28:38 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: GSlob

I believe it...but a Bar-Sto is not a Glock barrel...Glock is good gun, but you have to know what you're doing with it. However, there's a reason why it is not a US-military gun in widespread use....


17 posted on 04/17/2006 4:32:37 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Well, I always believed that polymers are for shopping bags, not for firearm frames. And aluminum is for soda cans. The frames are to be made from high grade steels at Rc hardness 40 to 50, or from titanium alloys. And the barrels could stand some over-engineering, too. Factory barrel on CZ was OK, but loose in the integral bushing on the muzzle end. Bar-Sto one fitted perfectly [i.e. was a bit thicker and stronger].


18 posted on 04/17/2006 4:41:04 PM PDT by GSlob
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To: Donald Meaker
cool nicknames

Lefty, knuckles, thumbs, scar, or my favorite, splatz.

19 posted on 04/17/2006 4:41:14 PM PDT by Navy Patriot (Another handgun jumps to the aid of a person in danger.)
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To: Armedanddangerous

Since you're obviously a Glock man, I'll ask you. How many rounds does a Glock 17 magazine hold versus that of a Glock 22?


20 posted on 04/17/2006 4:48:08 PM PDT by OldPossum
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