Posted on 04/17/2006 3:12:05 PM PDT by archy
Defective state police guns to be replaced
The Tribune-Star
Indiana State Police will receive new Glock 9 mm handguns as a result of functional problems with their current Glock 40-caliber handguns.
About 50 guns that were identified as dysfunctional through a manufacturer defect will be replaced, said Indiana State Police Sgt. Joe Watts.
The manufacturer is replacing the guns at no cost to State Police, Watts said.
No timeline has been set for when the new handguns will arrive. When they arrive, police will be trained on their use.
State troopers can carry one of the new, replaced handguns or the gun previously carried, a Beretta 40-caliber, he said.
Last year, State Police replaced their old Berettas with the new Glocks.
WISH-TV Ch 8 report, with pics and video.
Indianapolis Star report, State police replace troubled guns
Chicago Tribune report [Note: the Illinois State Police have also reportedly had problems with their own Glock handguns, with Glock replacing all 2,270 ILSP Glock Model 22 handguns at a significant discount around June of last year]
Never liked Glocks. In my shooting club another instructor blew up TWO barrels on his Glock in succession, and had to go for factory warranty service. Royal pain. CZ series, especially with Bar-Sto barrels, is so much more reliable.
I don't care for any handgun which required pulling the trigger as part of the disassembly process.
The other problem with the Glock is if there is a cartrige case malfunction, it channels the blast to ones hand.
The Springfield XD has the same design "features".
The Early Beretta M-92 had problems with the slide flying back and hitting the firer in the face. "You're not a SEAL until you taste Italian steel."
I really like the Browning designed Colt Commander, having owned two, and the Colt 1911A1, having owned only one.
model 19 S&W with a wheel of full house 125 grain .357 rounds. devastating. (plus a couple of speed loaders on your belt just in case)
the idea is to aim then shoot. not spray and pray.
They KB!
Course there are cool nicknames that are avaiable afterwards, like Three-Fingered Jack.
Not much in the stopping power department with the 17 from what I've seen
I never heard of a revolver being recalled.
They always shoot they never jam.
If you have 6 shots and dont hit what you aim at what good is having more?
My father left me a number of handguns after he passed away.
With the exception of a 1911 Colt .45 and a Colt Woodsman .22, I only shoot the revolvers.
I've got several modern semi-automatic handguns, and the technical orders for them, but I still can't figure out their features or how they work.
The handgun experts at the gun club say, "Well, I've never actually shot one of these, but I think..."
I'm going to put these beautiful pieces on auction because I don't know how to shoot them.
I can't shoot a pistol that someone I trust can't show me how to use.
Ive never trusted using any 40 caliber Glock. There are more instances than I can count of 40 cal G22s and G23s self destructing with even slightly out of spec factory ammo.
The problem is the 40 Smith and Wesson round, not the gun.
I have two 9mm Glocks, a 17, and a 26. I carry the 26 every day, and have it on me as I type this. Never have I experienced a moment's trouble with either of them.
With proper loads, the G17 is a just fine street handgun. If one goes for a loading such as the 127Gr +P Win Ranger load, then all will be well.
Now that THERE is a BIG ten four!
So what are you selling? I'm always interested in Sigs and Berettas
Could have been hot load-yer-own ammo or having used unjacketed bullets; although an instructor should know better...my bet's on hot loads......
I've go four Glocks and I'm not particularly fond of them compared to my Berettas and 1911s, but they'll do fine as long as the right ammunition is used and they're not limp-wristed...
Had several .40 cal glocks and found them extremely reliable,
Went to a training course last year. Probably 50 people in the class. At least 50% were Glocks. Each person shot approx 1000 thousand rounds.
Glocks had almost zero failure to fires, serveral were right out of the box. No breaking, tuning, etc. Among the other guns there were plenty of failures.
KB for Glocks in almost every case I've heard of they were reloads.
I shot crazy-hot loads from my 9mm CZ-75 [loading a .357 jacketed bullet instead of .355, for starters] - and Bar-Sto barrel handled it all as if it were nothing. I had to replace the takedown pin, though.
I believe it...but a Bar-Sto is not a Glock barrel...Glock is good gun, but you have to know what you're doing with it. However, there's a reason why it is not a US-military gun in widespread use....
Well, I always believed that polymers are for shopping bags, not for firearm frames. And aluminum is for soda cans. The frames are to be made from high grade steels at Rc hardness 40 to 50, or from titanium alloys. And the barrels could stand some over-engineering, too. Factory barrel on CZ was OK, but loose in the integral bushing on the muzzle end. Bar-Sto one fitted perfectly [i.e. was a bit thicker and stronger].
Lefty, knuckles, thumbs, scar, or my favorite, splatz.
Since you're obviously a Glock man, I'll ask you. How many rounds does a Glock 17 magazine hold versus that of a Glock 22?
I love that combo, although I like a 66 better just because I HATE cleaning guns. Also, the 19 / 66 is a little light framed for a steady diet of that kind of load. Don't ask how I know (hangs head in shame at having shot a perfectly decent 66 loose with handloads).
Revolver recalls...
http://www.smith-wesson.com/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/CustomContentDisplay?storeId=10001&catalogId=10001&content=11601§ionId=10506
http://alphecca.com/mt_alphecca_archives/002163.html
LOL
I agree. Handloads are often the problem. Part of the Glock chamber is not supported. This is normally ok, but if there is a problem, it hurts a lot.
If the 1911 has this problem, the gas is vented more safely.
I don't care for the glock myself, but it has a lot of good ideas. I am working on a dual magazine pistol, fixed barrel, with the web of the hand directly behind the barrel, for minimal muzzle rise. When one magazine is empty, it switches to the other,and enables removal of the empty magazine.
Love the Model 19, the great thing is, that they turn up in pawn shops and gun shops used for 200-250.
I've got a variety of k-frames, but got my first L frame this weekend, a 6-shot 2.5" barreled 686. It should handle a steady diet of your favorite load.
Smith and Wesson is in the process of replacing around 500 or so defective J and K frames sold to the NC dept of Corrections. A problem with the barrels falling off. The recall may extend to nearly 5000 revolvers.
My understanding is that they utilize a new two piece barrel, pictures I've seen show the barrel shearing off just in front of the threads.
More info here
Seventeen rounds of 9mm, plus onme in the chamber makes 18
Fifteen rounds of 40, plus one in the chamber.
As an addendum
There is a basepad you can buy to put on your glock mags called the plus two. It adds two rounds to the magazine, with the base pad basically sticking out of the butt of the gun just a little.
That makes 19 rounds of 9mm, plus one in the chamber, which makes for 20. I keep my dedicated home defense Glock loaded thusly.
I replaced the plastic guide rod in my CZ P-01 with a stainless steel Jackash rod. Sure it was fine but it seemed cheap and was bent some. I got the 10 round magazines (thanks Slick) with this used gun. Know where I can get larger capacity magazines, will 75 mags work?
I read in some gun mag about some guys bitching their Glocks Kboomed when they ran hot loads, then one says,
"I know Glock says warranty voided by doing that, but . ."
OP
Go to www.cdnninvestments.com
They have high caps for about any pistol at reasonable prices.
Im about to give them some more money for more glock mags.
That's because there is no malfunction, they are dysfunctional. I am sure they tried Ridalin, etc. on them but just could not get rid of the dysfunction.
Isn't that a security feature? If someone takes your gun from you, the slide flies back and hits them in the face.
How many hours a day do you carry this dainty chunck of stainless steel?
Had two glocks come apart in my hands when shooting... these were both new guns and I was using Winchester white box ammo. Glock was less than professional in their response to my complaint and I won't own nor shoot any Glock handguns at all now. They are dangerous and poorly designed.
I am a tactical trainer for LE, military and civilian students and in every class where the students are using Glocks, we have serious failures. We've also had some injuries due to the Glocks. Some are due to reloads but most are not.
I carry and use SIG handguns almost exclusively. I've never had a failure to fire in my P226 and I've got tens of thousands of rounds through it.
Mike
Interesting Mike, just the opposite experience from mine and the information I have.
I don't try to carry a pack "concealed." I also don't try to drive with a pack on. I carry my weapon ALL the time, when not prohibited by law.
The point: Open carry in the woods is a tad different than 10-12hrs/day in the city, getting into and out of a vehicle and whether or not you are trying to "conceal" the weapon. An L-frame Smith is a pain in the back/butt to carry concealed in anything other than a massive fanny pack or shoulder rig. (On second thought, both modes are a strain on the back.) Sure, Dirty Harry carried his Model 29 Smith in a shoulder rig, but he is a ficticious character.
I'll take my loaded Glock 23 at (<)30oz with a spare mag or two any day over any of my K-frame or L-Frame Smiths which unloaded weigh in at 33oz/41oz plus speed loaders. And the speed loaders are a pain to carry in anything other than a belt pouch. Even during the hot summers here in AZ when open carry makes sense, I still prefer "wearing" a Glock, even one I've got over 5,000 rounds through from years of training. Sure, I shoot more "accurately" with a revolver, but in combat, Glock accuracy is more than good enough.
I only know of one "ka-boom" and this is among my close associates. He was shooting a Glock 21 (45ACP) with "reloads" (He's a very active IDPA shooter) Used/fatigued brass or a double charge is our guess. If you are worried, use new Q-loads, not remanufactured.
There've been police problems with the .45 Glocks as well. See *this* and *this* for starters.
Indiana Conservation cops [aka *the possum patrol*] use the SIG 220 in .45, and have had generally satisfactory results.
Not much in the stopping power department with the 17 from what I've seen.
The Israeli YAMAM Special Police Unit anti-terrorist commandos who carry the Glock 17 in preference to an Israeli-manufactured handgun, who have more actual fighting experience with the 9mm cartridge than most US police departments put together, seem to think otherwise. And they use 124-grain ball. Sometimes.
And sometimes, not. 
I've carried and used SIGs since 1967 and have and do love 'em. And before the .40 S&W begat the .357 SIG, there were those in the Secret Service who carried SIG 226s in .38 Super, though these turned out to be a little hard on the SIGs alloy frame. If circumstances make the carry of a 9mm handgun particularly useful for me, I have an old and well-worn Browning GP that does the job just fine for me. I've now logged over 100,000 rounds through that one pistol and it's deserved the semi-retirement it's earned.
The last time out that I happened to carry a 9mm it was a requirement for the armored messenger service I had contracted for that duty handguns be 9mm or .40 and double action, so my old Brownie didn't get the job. Instead I carried a WWII-era steel-framed Walther P.38, which served me just fine. And at night, that Walther back sight still shows up as well as it has for 65-plus years now.
Something is WRONG when the homeland of Colt, Winchester and Smith and Wesson has to import psitols from Germany and Italy.
Say, didn't we go a few rounds with that pair and whup their butts?
That makes 19 rounds of 9mm, plus one in the chamber, which makes for 20. I keep my dedicated home defense Glock loaded thusly.
The Glock *plus-2* magazine bases also work with the 31-round magazine for the Glock 18 machinepistol. Which also work just fine in the Glock 17 and 19 and the mini-Glocks. Of course you may not need to shoot anything 33 times with your handgun. But I do know a fella who would have found it handier than the .45 M1911A1 pistol and the dozen or so magazines with which he set out each morningmaking sure that dead Japs in front of his fellow Marine's positions were just that.
But when I last ran across him in the late 1990s, he was still carrying a .45, and didn't seem inclined to change. He was aware of the 9mm handguns used by the Illinois State Police and had shot them, and wasn't impressed. And he knew, better than anyone I know, what the .45 ACP round would do.
Thats a cool picture
Say, didn't we go a few rounds with that pair and whup their butts?
I agree, and yes we did. But sadly, Winchester is with us no more, though there's a chance the name will survive and the old models may see renewed production. But I doubt you'll see them flying off the shelves at the local Mart-Mart at discount prices. Get a good old one while you can, and pass it on to your heirs.
Odd, it's a FR link. *try again*.
They always shoot they never jam.
If you have 6 shots and dont hit what you aim at what good is having more?
You must not be familiar with the Indiana State Police Model 66 S&W revolvers whose center pin bushings would come loose and freeze up the cylinder from turning. There was indeed a recallon those S&W revolvers.
The quick fix was to weld or induction braze the bushing in place; eventually production line changes came about resulting in the S&W M66-2 and followon designations.
That was, of course, back in the days when S&W revolvers had their firing pins mounted on the hammer, instead of in the frame as is the case with most large-frame S&W production now. And there were also some difficulties with the adjustable rear sights of the S&W Model 19 and 66 six-guns, not a problem for me back in that day when I was mostly wearing a fixed-sight model 58. But there were nevertheless recalls of police guns for inspection by department or company rep armorers, if not for the general public.
The trick is to get a revolver that offers that which most semiautos do not, and likewise, a semiauto which does what a sixgun does not or cannot do.
I actually know a guy who emptied two of those 33 round mags down a street in New Orleans at some out of town bangers a couple of days after Katrina struck.
I'm glad you haven't had the bad experiences we've seen. Most places don't put nearly the amount of ammunition through the guns nor in the conditions we run. After 15 years of teaching, I've seen some really wild stuff. The one constant is what we refer to as the "Glock Syndrome".
Mike
I hope, but doubt, that he got 66 hits.
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