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To: conservativecorner
A lot of resignations can not turn into a mutiny.
All it can turn into is a protest.
In the military it is step up and fill the void. If a general resigns his command/post/position falls to someone else and then they control the troops under them.
2 posted on
04/18/2006 5:31:04 AM PDT by
PeteB570
(Guns, what real men want for Christmas)
To: conservativecorner
I bet you the retired generals are looking for work as DNC/MSM consultants, thats all.
3 posted on
04/18/2006 5:33:11 AM PDT by
Solamente
(Let all the poisons that lurk in the mud hatch out)
To: conservativecorner
Six retired generals, 3 of whom have been retired for some time,including Wes Clark, does not a conspiracy or a revolt make.
4 posted on
04/18/2006 5:35:47 AM PDT by
jimtorr
To: conservativecorner; Howlin; Miss Marple; Dog; Peach
This may sound far-fetched, but in Sunday's Washington Post the very smart, very well-connected former Clinton Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke published an article entitled "Behind the Military Revolt." In this article he predicts that there will be increasing numbers of retired generals speaking out against Sec. Rumsfeld. Then, shockingly, he writes the following words: "If more angry generals emerge -- and they will -- if some of them are on active duty, as seems probable . . . then this storm will continue until finally it consumes not only Donald Rumsfeld." And they will???
Smells like a set up to me
5 posted on
04/18/2006 5:35:51 AM PDT by
Mo1
("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
To: conservativecorner
These Generals disgrace us all who wear the uniform. It is one thing to privately disagree and go into a room where you tell the Boss what you think and why...its quite another to do so in a fashion that has the public thinking you are trying to get a consulting job with the liberal media.
6 posted on
04/18/2006 5:35:58 AM PDT by
ICE-FLYER
(God bless and keep the United States of America)
To: conservativecorner
Like Rush said yesterday:
"Rumsfeld couldn't resign now if he wanted to"
These generals just sured up his position for the President....wtg generals....see what happens when you open your mouth before thinking things thru.....
I love Rummy!!!
7 posted on
04/18/2006 5:38:17 AM PDT by
HarleyLady27
(My ? to libs: "Do they ever shut up on your planet?" "Grow your own DOPE: Plant a LIB!")
To: conservativecorner
8 posted on
04/18/2006 5:38:36 AM PDT by
Mo1
("Stupidity is also a gift from God, but it should not be abused." Pope John Paul II)
To: conservativecorner
Oooooops, the planned revolt is exposed.
9 posted on
04/18/2006 5:39:19 AM PDT by
onyx
(It's easier to indict a ham sandwich or Tom DeLay than it is to indict a Democrat.)
To: conservativecorner
If the USA actually prosecuted for sedition, the ACLU would be in jail, as would several congress persons. My first question would be whether there is any substance in the complaints of the generals about the Secretary of Defense? Second, what is the context, timeline, and background of the complaining generals? Are they Clinton appointees? Were they asked to resign? I suspect that the military has many "moles" from the Clinton administration carrying out their havoc of political correctness (irrational decisions). Are they opportunists or is this just a feeding frenzy?
If there is substance what is it? Is it valid and rational?
10 posted on
04/18/2006 5:41:38 AM PDT by
olezip
To: conservativecorner
How does Karl Rove come up with these ideas? / sarcasm on!
To: conservativecorner
I think he is over-analyzing this whole thing.
12 posted on
04/18/2006 5:44:47 AM PDT by
A Balrog of Morgoth
(With fire, sword, and stinging whip I drive the RINOs in terror before me.)
To: conservativecorner
How can one story have so many errors? Easy, this is a pipe dream by the defeatist, military hating media.
Army retirements are all done on the last working day of the month, not staggered all month.
Thinking these Generals want to be associated with the party of defeat is not too bright. While Wes Clark, William Crowe and a few others sold their souls for 15 minutes of fame, most others are far more proud of themselves and their troops.
American Generals and Admirals lead the greatest military in the world. They didnt get appointed to their positions because of family connections or payments. They worked their way up a demanding and tough ladder of promotions. There is very little chance they will throw it all away to play lapdog to the media. Afterall, most, including me (not a General or even a Colonel) hate the media more than any other entity in America.
13 posted on
04/18/2006 5:47:36 AM PDT by
armydawg1
(" America must win this war..." PVT Martin Treptow, KIA, WW1)
To: conservativecorner
very smart, very well-connected former Clinton Ambassador to the United Nations Richard Holbrooke Not too smart, or at least not too trustworthy, to throw in with aconvicted liar, perjurer, a known thief, a known rapist and, imo, a murderer -- William Clinton.
And "what" connections! A mob lieutenant is well-connected, and even as well-connected to the same type of folks!
Yeah, he "knows" the best of the best of the officer corps. Not!
14 posted on
04/18/2006 5:48:42 AM PDT by
bvw
To: conservativecorner
The left got a taste for bringing down Republicans with Gingrich, but didn't follow through. They did it again with DeLay and now want more. They have tasted blood and won't stop. They will pound Rumsfeld every day until he quits. And when that happens, they will go after someone else.
This is left wing politics as usual.
To: conservativecorner
The protests within the Pentagon by high-ranking officers before the invasion of Iraq were well-known.
Rumsfeld made the choice to browbeat and publicly humiliate three and four star subordinates who warned him, in private, about the problems to come in Iraq after his "transformed" conquest.
That's fine, he ranked them.
But when you choose to run your office that way, you have to always be right, and Rumsfeld was not.
He should have left a year ago.
17 posted on
04/18/2006 6:02:17 AM PDT by
Jim Noble
(And you know what I'm talkin' 'bout!)
To: conservativecorner
Ok, when I start hearing of conspiracies I start thinking a klintoon is puppet master.
20 posted on
04/18/2006 6:04:45 AM PDT by
Brett66
(Where government advances – and it advances relentlessly – freedom is imperiled -Janice Rogers Brown)
To: conservativecorner
Happens when Heros turn Democrat!
To: conservativecorner
When you consider the different times and locations of the generals' remarks, then a "mutininy" seems unlikely. Also, the author fails in one very important point: If a general is retired, he no longer is subject to UCMJ and can no longer be a "mutineer". Once retired, he becomes nothing more than a loud, informed, critic just like any other US citizen.
23 posted on
04/18/2006 6:14:16 AM PDT by
X180A
To: conservativecorner
This is absurd. Black letter rules do not change the reality.
Those generals had no place in the modern army. They were dead enders dependent on wealing democrats like carter and clinton to keep rubber bullets in their weapons. These are the generals of the mooch off the military generations.
They wanted FREE STUFF and never ever ever imagined the militray would be actually used as a MILITARY! (gasp!)
This is just the mediots trying to Moby the public.
25 posted on
04/18/2006 6:18:37 AM PDT by
longtermmemmory
(VOTE! http://www.senate.gov and http://www.house.gov)
To: conservativecorner
Holbrooke is trying to make this seem like more than it really is.
Rumsfeld has angered a lot of entrenched people high up in the military. He has been consistently working to modernize the military.
That creates a lot of friction for two reasons. First the military is resistant to change. Historically we have whenever we find ourselves in a new major conflict we find that our military has prepared itself to fight the last major conflict, rather than adapted to being able to fight the new one, and having to change in the midst of the conflict is difficult and costly. Costly in both dollars and in lives.
The second reason the military has been upset with Rumsfeld is that he has canceled many military projects that he felt were wasteful. He took a lot of the control over what new technology would be developed away from generals he disagreed with.
Not only does that offend their dignity, but it significantly decreases their power and influence not only in the military itself but as a consultant of employee in the defense industry during their military retirement.
Large defense contracts are billions of dollars, and the major defense contractors hire former top military officers to help them understand the nature of the military and for their connections within the military.
These generals have devoted their lives to the military. Having someone come in when they are late in their careers and change things on them has got to ruffle a lot of feathers.
Undermining their authority and making them feel less valuable has got to make these powerful men very upset.
Remember what happened when the project for Crusader was canceled? Remember the stories of high ranking military officers trying to go around Rumsfeld and trying to lobby congress to keep it? Remember hearing that the army inspector general investigating lobbying by senior Army officials, but never hearing any more about it?
I bet you'll find that some of these army generals that are now speaking up have ties to Crusader or other large projects that Rumsfeld canceled or killed before they got going.
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