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1 posted on 04/18/2006 10:13:27 AM PDT by strategofr
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2 posted on 04/18/2006 10:17:53 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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Intresting take. Thanks for your thoughtful input.


3 posted on 04/18/2006 10:30:35 AM PDT by lexington minuteman 1775
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A good analysis. I have always said that within the Russian government there are unrenerate Marxists and nationalists who believe the glory days of Russian occurred under Stalin. They long to return to those days. To them the United States is enemy numero uno. This makes Russia's cozying up to Iran explicable. Also, they may have gotten some back channel promises from Iran that they would no longer support the Chechens. In fact, I would not be surprised that the Iranians dropped a dime on Chechen agents and operations in return for Russian assistance in building a great big firecracker.


4 posted on 04/18/2006 10:45:32 AM PDT by attiladhun2 (evolution has both deified and degraded humanity)
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"People familiar with me know that I believe the Russians covertly control many leftist organizations throughout the world. I have partially detailed my thinking on this in previous posts and will not reiterate much background here."

I'd agree, insofar as leftist organizations are anti-US organizations, so they can generally be counted on to follow the Russians. The so-called Institute for Global Education was a Soviet front, and it fell apart when the USSR did. As Russia vanishes from history (low birth rates, emigration), it can still try to drag us into its grave.

But the main reason for Russian arms sales (Iran, Venezuela, Syria) is cash. Back when the USSR fell apart, the US should have actively recruited Soviet scientists and arms technologists, a la post-WWII "Paperclip". Alas, didn't happen.

The Russians have been dismantling Chechnya, as well as its own post-Soviet capitalists, in order to impose state control over hydrocarbon supplies, a major export which will grow in importance for some years. Shed of its troublesome, landlocked, predominantly Moslem SSRs in Central Asia, Putin's renewed Soviet Union can concentrate on solvable problems, such as Chechnya.

The Chinese are not allies of Russia. They are enemies, and have been since 1960 at least. From time to time the Chinese and Russians pursue a common interest at the expense of the US, but China needs Russian oil and gas to support development and growth. North Korea is a political convenience only for the Chinese -- to control it, the Chinese would literally have to invade and occupy it.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 10:58:58 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Then of course, came the Pro-illegal Immigration Rallies. These have been a massive success. Oddly, these rallies have been set up by the same exact groups that always set up all antiwar rallies, the group of organizations we conservatives generally refer to as "the Communists"... The massive and massively successful demonstrations in favor of the illegal immigrants were designed to distract the country from the Iraq war at this time.
I like the deep suspicion you have for the leftists, but I don't see this as something cooked up by the Russians; as you note, the Dhimmicrats don't have much to offer, and trying to co-opt a large and growing voting bloc -- one that is mostly socially conservative -- makes a lot of sense for the 2006 campaign. I for one am grateful that the 2006 midterm elections haven't monopolized the news, but then, I'm just paranoid enough to think that the partisan media shills are avoiding coverage of the election by concentrating on DeLay, the Iraq liberation, Iranian nukes, Plame/CIA, etc, in order to depress turnout by conservative voters.
6 posted on 04/18/2006 11:05:24 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (https://secure.freerepublic.com/donate/)
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Chinese buddies, the Russians

You think we have a border problem with 100 million Mexicans? How do you think the Russians feel about living next to 1.3 billion Chinese?
7 posted on 04/18/2006 12:57:18 PM PDT by kenavi ("You must accept the truth from whatever source it comes." Rambam)
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Much of what you say is easy to swallow. One thing I have given much thought to since reading your piece is the part on how the ruskies both use Iraq and Iran. It is palatable. Though one could add a lot of variances to the formula. We must take purely religious convictions into consideration in relation to how the Mullahs and president Ahmadinejah have been behaving. It is a very complicated scenario to fully analyis with feeling one has the full picture in place.
I believe we must take into account Ahmadinejah's preoccupied concept of what is required to bring fourth the 12 hidden Iman, which would be followed by a period of blis for the Muslim world.
This factor must be weight carefully. In addition we must also consider the changing views some members of the clerical rulers. Some, perhaps it will turn out more then just some, especially those that think the mystic sect the pres indulges himself in, is just bunk. And some are quite worried their failing economy, loss of public support, e.g. more people becoming very discontent with a brutal Islamic rule, verse a more westernized and free to choose how one acts and believes, may just be changing the numbers within that 50 Mullah crowd, as to whom who wants to side with.
If the US where to decide on a number of strategic strikes on nuclear associate facilities. The Iranian government and mullahs are going to be shown for how weak they really are.
All this showcasing the madman has been pulling off is to attempt in my opinion to bolster his image, and convince those he must relie on to keep order, that he is the man.
If we where to bomb them, and in the process harm very few Iranians, these guys could all be exposed as a bunch of braggers. Show offs with little real power. The people would see how easy they their facilities where taken out, and that the Iranian airforce and ground air defenses where enept to fight back with any effect. Iranians are not stupid, and they do get world news. Like in Iraq, and most of the Arab world they would all be stunned into realizing their leader ship is just a bunch of @assholes at best.
So from just this partial point of view concerning one element of what is happening in Iran I believe we must view a lot of different aspects. If we where to stop them from being able to operate any gas/oil pipelines leading out of the country to sell their products to Russia, China, Paki, and Afgans, etc., their economy go further into depression. And as you can well envision really p!is off the ruskies and chicoms.
So yes on the whole I can appreciate how the ruskies play the game, but this is a two edged sword.
10 posted on 04/18/2006 4:44:57 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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We would also be happy to see links of reference if availible.


12 posted on 04/18/2006 8:28:56 PM PDT by Wiz
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One thing that will crush all these bastards without shedding one drop of blood is $30 OIL!


19 posted on 04/20/2006 2:59:14 PM PDT by spanalot
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Addendum to 2006 Passover analysis.

I have been thinking about the incident the Russians would need to stage in the fall of 2008 to tip the US elections in Hillary's direction.

While widespread violence and a breakdown of civil order in Iraq would be helpful to Hillary, what is needed in addition is an incident that kills a significant number of American troops. Believe me, I would not be posting this if I thought there was any chance at all the Russians had not thought of this already.

Because US casualties in Iraq are extremely low and the efficiency of our military forces is extremely high, the bar has been set pretty low for the definition of a significant number of American military fatalities. I believe 10 to 15 fatalities on the right day would be sufficient to tip the election in Hillary's favor --- set against the background of widespread civil disorder and an apparent failure of our policy in Iraq.

Been thinking about how the Russians would go about achieving this, the obvious answer is to threaten a target the Americans cannot ignore. Ideally, they would like to target Americans, such as in the Green zone, but this is not practical.

The answer is to target either the Iraqi Prime Minister or Sistanni. Both will have security based on Iraqi forces. I believe the Russians (or the Iranians, who I believe in this instance would share) have probably achieved some level of infiltration into all Iraqi forces--- hence, the key defensive force will be at least partially compromised at the moment of truth.

Since the Iranians are now well known to be smuggling military ordnance into Iraq at a rapid rate, and the Russians are known to be supplying Iraq with weaponry of various sorts, we can expect a new type of Russian weaponry to appear in this crucial attack.

Of course, it would be inappropriate for a Soviet helicopter (flown by Soviet volunteers) to appear on the scene. The Cold War is over and the Russians are now our friends, and allies in the war against terror, so such behavior would not be permissible. Nonetheless, considerable lethality can be obtained via machine guns, mortars, and shoulder-fired missiles, any of which it seems could be transported via an ordinary car. I suspect panel trucks driving around in Iraq would draw attention, though I don't really know the details on that.

I present addendum this with apologies to those whose sensibilities it will offend, but it seems to me that posting this might conceivably have some benefit for us.


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23 posted on 04/23/2006 8:09:00 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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Lovely except for one thing.. The Chinese.. you've left them out of the picture.. The evil twin sisters ploting for global socialist world hegemony.. Them girls are quite evil.. China has much more impact than Russia does at least overtly.. Between them both the American MsM and MsP, and maybe Congress too are serious tools..

Suggest interfacing China into the picture.. Those sisters, I think, are using the Muslims as a lever.. quite well too.. Islam is mired in the 7th century but the girls are mired in the 20th.. So much so that the U.S. is proposeing a democracy for Iraq and NOT a republic.. when Iraq needs a republic(with at least three states) NOT a democracy..
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Democracy is the road to socialism. -Karl Marx

Democracy is indispensable to socialism. The goal of socialism is communism. -V.I. Lenin

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.- Karl Marx

25 posted on 04/23/2006 9:01:48 AM PDT by hosepipe (CAUTION: This propaganda is laced with hyperbole..)
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27 posted on 04/25/2006 7:25:52 AM PDT by Gipper08 (Mike Pence in 2008)
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Inside the U. S., odd things were happening as well. Here, people who do not know me must simply realize that I believe the Russians/Communists essentially control the American Left.

I totally agree with the corrected statement, however, I believe they have made great inroads into the "right" as well. It was all part of the master plan.

Congressional Record--Appendix, pp. A34-A35
January 10, 1963
Current Communist Goals
15. Capture one or both of the political parties in the United States.

32 posted on 04/25/2006 11:07:30 AM PDT by Just A Nobody (NEVER AGAIN..Support our Troops! I *LOVE* my attitude problem. Beware the Enemedia!)
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If a Democrat does not win in '08, things will start to go really haywire in 2009.


43 posted on 04/27/2006 9:11:12 AM PDT by Thunder90
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IMHO, the Iranians/Ruskies would love to sucker us into Iran...I beleive a large nulear annihilation of our conventional forces would ensue. In October of 2008 no american leader will have the cajones then to pull the retaliatory nuclear response.


44 posted on 04/27/2006 9:16:24 AM PDT by mo
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I have referenced you in this analysis of mine, but unfortunately misspelled your name by capitalizing the H. Anyhow, I wanted you to know I referenced you.


50 posted on 04/28/2006 7:14:31 AM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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Why make a fuss at such a moment?

Unless of course the timetable is a bit ahead of your estimate and Iran has the Nukes they need. The goal may be to get the US to mass its troops for an Iranian nuclear first strike. Who then could guard the barn?

51 posted on 04/29/2006 8:21:14 PM PDT by American in Israel (A wise man's heart directs him to the right, but the foolish mans heart directs him toward the left.)
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There is a new version of the Black Panthers, can't recall the exact name. they have formed to get justice over this Duke thing, with the team, it's not rugby but, you know, the fake rape.

That got some audio on this guy, and it is a simple provocation. In so many words, by his tone and the implications in between the words---he is threatening violence toward every white person who hears him if they do not deliver a conviction on this rape case---a case that is false on the face of it.

Excuse me, but the Black Panthers were communist in the 1960s and their communist now. This guy is delivering the same message that the Hispanic guys are delivering and the same message that bin Laden is delivering.

There is no question that the intended effect is psychological---and that it is cumulative---as well is designed to create confusion and frustration.



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52 posted on 04/30/2006 4:15:33 PM PDT by strategofr (Hillary stole 1000+ secret FBI files on DC movers & shakers, Hillary's Secret War, Poe, p. xiv)
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Putin is to host this year's G-8 Summit and he has declared it to be about "energy security".

One of the largest hindrances to getting Iraq off the ground is its oil production, thus the purpose of terrorism is not only about a supposed "civil war" bloodletting but as much about prevention of their oil production.

Now the Marxist oil producing countries around the world that would include Russia are sure not in opposition in making some extra dollars. Russia did have some major contracts with old Saddam that we caused to become nonexistent. I imagine a whole lot of payback is planned because of that.
55 posted on 04/30/2006 4:52:12 PM PDT by Just mythoughts
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Consider also the distraction of current oil prices, driven in part by environmental groups which derived their seed money from KGB sources, for the purpose of hindering or even crippling industry in the West.

This acts in concert with Chinese expansion of energy consumption and agressive attempts to control new resources in the petroleum industry via economic means, Chavez' saber rattling and edicts regarding Venezuelan oil, and the possibility that they can maintain this situation through 2008.

The ability to relax demand lies with the Chinese, who are part of the new demand equation, the ability to reduce or even crash energy prices lies there, too, by withdrawing significant portions of that demand. The Russians, if they get on the stick, have the resources to glut supplies, were they effectively in production.

Timing is key in everything, but doing so after some posturing action by a Democrat would make it appear that the Democrat's policy had some magical effect when it was meaningless, and establish in political energy groupthink that there was some (possibly even harmful) action which could be taken to bring energy prices down.

We are in what has become known as 'total warfare', often asymetric, non-military, and economic, in which our enemies will weaken us by any means available.

The Islamists, while seeking their own agenda, are merely a tool of the agenda of that developing Socialist World Order.

60 posted on 04/30/2006 5:45:59 PM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly.)
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