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The high cost of summer driving; Ethanol switchover could stoke gasoline prices
MarketWatch.com (by Dow Jones) ^ | 04/18/2006 | Stephanie I. Cohen

Posted on 04/18/2006 4:27:22 PM PDT by SierraWasp

The high cost of summer driving
Ethanol switchover could stoke gasoline prices

By Stephanie I. Cohen Last Update: 7:00 PM ET Apr 18, 2006

WASHINGTON (MarketWatch) -- The drive to produce cleaner-burning fuel could lead to gasoline price spikes in some areas of the country as ethanol markets remain tight throughout the summer, government and industry officials are warning.

These hikes would be on top of the 25-cents-a-gallon average increase in prices at the pump already expected this summer compared with last year, according to the Energy Department.

Ethanol is a home-grown renewable fuel made primarily from corn feedstock that can be blended with gasoline to make it burner cleaner. In August 2005 President Bush signed legislation creating a national renewable fuels standard to boost the use of renewable fuels such as ethanol.

While the domestic ethanol industry has ratcheted up production over the past year, a number of factors have pumped up demand for the biofuel and created supply concerns.

Areas of the country believed to be most vulnerable to spikes triggered by the ethanol rush include Houston, Dallas, and Fort Worth in Texas, along with areas in the mid-Atlantic and East Coast regions of the U.S. that rely on reformulated gasoline.

"We see them as being logistical dislocations and how that resolves is in higher prices. So the implication would be perhaps isolated spikes in the wholesale prices of reformulated gasoline," said Guy Caruso, administrator of the Energy Department's statistical arm, the Energy Information Administration.

"We're not predicting that we're just saying that's possible," Caruso said.

Last fall, Congress passed energy legislation mandating a seven-year ramp up in the amount of biofuel blended into the nation's gasoline stocks, beginning with nearly 4 billion gallons in 2006 and rising to 7.5 billion gallons in 2012. Ethanol is expected to fulfill most of this requirement.

Additionally, numerous states that use reformulated gasoline have banned the use of ethanol's only commercial competitor, methyl tertiary butyl ether, or MTBE, which has been found to contaminate underground water supplies.

Congress also decided not to include a liability waiver in the energy bill to protect refiners that blended MTBE into gasoline from lawsuits stemming from contamination. This has touched off a rapid phase-out of MTBE from gasoline stocks ahead of May when the renewable fuel provisions in the energy bill kick in and refiners say they face liability exposure.

Motorists operating gasoline-powered vehicles in areas not affected by price spikes are unlikely to be aware of changes in the content of gasoline offered at their neighborhood retail station. Ethanol is a fairly standard component of in conventional gasoline markets.

"In terms of performance of vehicles there will be no difference. Where [motorists] will see a difference is in price. It's impacting prices nationwide," said Mantill Williams, director of public affairs for AAA, a national organization that represents motorists. Ethanol by the numbers

Demand for ethanol averaged about 263,000 barrels a day, or 4 billion gallons in 2005, according to Gordon Schremp, senior fuels specialist with the California Energy Commission. California currently uses almost 1 billion gallons of ethanol a year, or a quarter of the domestic market.

By January of this year, the domestic ethanol industry was producing 288,000 barrels a day, the most recent month for which figures are available. The Renewable Fuels Association says domestic producers have the capacity to deliver at least 4.5 billion gallons this year, more than the bump up mandated by the energy legislation.

But the renewable fuels mandate coupled with the phase-out of MTBE and state fuel requirements is expected to produce a need for about 395,000 barrels of ethanol a day, or 6.1 billion gallons in 2006, according to the Energy Department.

Schremp also pointed to imports of reformulated gasoline -- about 240,00 barrels in 2005 -- containing MTBE that are primarily shipped to East coast markets, which will need to be replaced with MTBE-free supplies.

Caruso acknowledged that ethanol typically added to conventional gasoline blends will need to be diverted to the East Coast and Texas. The roughly 600 retail gas stations that dispense E85, made up of 85% ethanol and 15% gasoline, for use in flexible fuel vehicles are a likely target.

"Gasoline suppliers today are repositioning ethanol previously used in discretionary conventional gasoline blending in areas like the Midwest to the East Coast and Texas," according to short-term outlook released by the Energy Information Administration this week.

But Schremp said "it may not be realistic to assume that every single drop of discretionary ethanol can migrate to other markets."

More ethanol from domestic production will be available after the middle of the year, according to the Renewable Fuels Association. About 900,000,000 additional gallons of ethanol production will come online in the second half of the year, compared with 500,000,000 gallons in the first six months of 2006, an association spokesman said.

Unfortunately for drivers this means that any relief from tight ethanol markets will come sometime after the summer driving season, according to the Energy Department.

"While ethanol supplies are expected to remain tight this summer, sufficient new ethanol production capacity is under construction to replace MTBE and resume previous levels of discretionary ethanol blending in conventional gasoline in 2007," according to a short-term energy outlook released by the Energy Department's Energy Information Administration.


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KEYWORDS: congressinsurance; e85; energy; environmentalists; ethanol; gasprices; insanity; mtbe
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This is exactly why we need what Rush Limbaugh calls "Congress Insurance!" Stupid CONgress is so intimidated by the EnvironMental Communutty that they're mandating this oxygenate crappola when the refining industry has said for years they can make clean burning 50 state gasoline without all these boutique mixtures for each region!!! THIS IS INSANE!!! (and it's what's reaching into your wallet right now!!!)
1 posted on 04/18/2006 4:27:25 PM PDT by SierraWasp
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To: Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach; Grampa Dave; dalereed; tubebender; hedgetrimmer; forester; ...
Here's the reason for the current high price gouging for gasoline. Hungry? Broke? Out of Work? Out of Gas? Eat an EnvironMentalist!!! (but roast 'em first!)

Yup! Your CONgressperson did this too you, so it's no wonder their so unpopular. People instinctively know we're all in trouble whenever they're in session!!!

2 posted on 04/18/2006 4:33:01 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SierraWasp
"In terms of performance of vehicles there will be no difference.

I believe you'll get worse MPG, so you will pay more for less.

3 posted on 04/18/2006 4:33:52 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SierraWasp
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4 posted on 04/18/2006 4:34:30 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: SierraWasp

E85 isn't insane, the mixtures, well that's another thing. If people knew the costs, they wouldn't be used.


5 posted on 04/18/2006 4:36:33 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: SierraWasp
You trying to ruin the party?

Massive Stock Market Rally Today!!!!!

6 posted on 04/18/2006 4:36:54 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: SierraWasp
Imagine an industry that runs 24/7 at 97-98% of capacity being asked to produce and distribute (through a single pipeline system) 47 different blends.

Now, by Congressional fiat, change the materials that must be used in the blend -- without regard to their availability.

Thank God for Big Oil!

7 posted on 04/18/2006 4:38:48 PM PDT by okie01 (The Mainstream Media: IGNORANCE ON PARADE)
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To: SierraWasp
Whatever gets complainers to shut up about gas prices without reeking of communism, I am for it.

Actions are respectable. Moaning is pathetic.

8 posted on 04/18/2006 4:41:25 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

Yeah? Well go look at what I just posted over there!!!(grin)


9 posted on 04/18/2006 4:43:24 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SierraWasp
Congress also decided not to include a liability waiver in the energy bill to protect refiners that blended MTBE into gasoline from lawsuits stemming from contamination. This has touched off a rapid phase-out of MTBE from gasoline stocks ahead of May when the renewable fuel provisions in the energy bill kick in and refiners say they face liability exposure.
WTF does that mean?

I don't know guys, I'm coming from this thread. I need to be overdosed - brought up to speed - quickly.

10 posted on 04/18/2006 4:45:14 PM PDT by raygun
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To: SteveMcKing
This boutique bastardization of gasoline IS COMMUNISM, right along with the GovernMental EnvironMentalism in the United States of America!!! EnvironMentalism is the last refuge of Commies trying to tear down the greatest economic engine ever created on EARTH!!!

Now! How do ya like them apples there, Mr. McKing???

11 posted on 04/18/2006 4:46:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SteveMcKing

It is a rotation. Gas prices, national debt, manufacturing going to China. Say has anybody noticed that this
Rumsfeld brohaha is obscuring really outstanding progress with China trade? Wag the dog.


12 posted on 04/18/2006 4:50:03 PM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: raygun

Well go look what I just posted over there!!!


13 posted on 04/18/2006 4:51:54 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: raygun

Then don't forget to come back over here to discuss the inane insanity!!!


14 posted on 04/18/2006 4:53:09 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: Dog Gone

Absolutely! Alcohol (well, how the heck do ya spell it?) may burn cooler, but hasn't got near the energy that gasoline does!!!


15 posted on 04/18/2006 4:54:45 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: Tarpon

You need to expand on this for the uninformed that lurk!!!


16 posted on 04/18/2006 4:55:51 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: okie01

I agree, but the regulatory burden is beginning to make the beast of burden buckle and breath hard!!!


17 posted on 04/18/2006 4:57:11 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SierraWasp
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18 posted on 04/18/2006 4:57:14 PM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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To: Rakkasan1

Good follow-on to your corny Kerry graphic!!! Kerry & Gore = Bevis and Butthead!!!


19 posted on 04/18/2006 4:59:32 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: SierraWasp

Methanol has a kick, but you have to spray more of it for the boost. Add a tad of Nitro-Methane to the mix, and you have 4 second 330MPH plus quarter mile machine.

LLS


20 posted on 04/18/2006 4:59:53 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (Preserve America... kill terrorists... destroy dims!)
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To: SierraWasp

Supply concerns for ethanol? hehehe...if my grandpa, great uncle, and great grandpa were still alive, there would be no supply concerns for ethanol. but then again, maybe so because they would drink it before it got shipped out. Hhhmmm....now where exactly did I put that copper pot?


21 posted on 04/18/2006 5:00:50 PM PDT by RobertP
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To: SierraWasp
I've no faith in ethanol to change anything. All they've done is shortened the carbon chain to 2 with an -OH on one of them, which then gets burned. Except for converters and fine tuning, it's all the same chemistry really. No better off.

Hydrogen derived from a nuclear-driven process seems one good alternative to gasoline. For that, we could use rotary Wankel engines (something like Mazda has developed over the years), which use gas and hydrogen SEEMLESSLY in any mixture - or straight, if only one is available.


22 posted on 04/18/2006 5:01:34 PM PDT by SteveMcKing
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To: SierraWasp

I understand the dangers of MTBE and I understand the desire by the EPA for oxygenates in gasoline.

In certain geographic areas, like the LA Basin, smog is easily trapped by weather conditions. Maybe it makes sense there.

But to force the rest of us to pay more for worse-performing gasoline because of the mountains surrounding Los Angeles is nuts.


23 posted on 04/18/2006 5:03:06 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SierraWasp
Ethanol is a home-grown renewable fuel made primarily from corn feedstock that can be blended with gasoline to make it burner cleaner

Some environmentalists hate ethanol; they say that ethanol is terrible for the environment.

For instance, the runoff from corn fields create "dead zones" in rivers, lakes, deltas, and oceans near coastlines.

Furthermore, in order to produce ethanol, a lot of corn must be produced, using exorbitant amounts of water and other natural resources.

Therefore, ethanol creates huge environmental problems. It is more expensive than oil in many ways.

24 posted on 04/18/2006 5:09:22 PM PDT by daivid
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To: SierraWasp
Eat an EnvironMentalist!!! (but roast 'em first!)

How dare you tell me how to eat my environmentalists? My dietary laws strictly require them to be fried. Preferably under a sun unimpeded by ozone.

25 posted on 04/18/2006 5:17:22 PM PDT by Hardastarboard (Why isn't there an "NRA" for the rest of my rights?)
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To: SierraWasp
My Polaris ATV manual warned me not to use Ethanol but did I listen, NO and now I am having troubles with the needle and seat, the hoses collapsed and I am sure it burns 20% more fuel like automobiles. This could drive a guy to drink!
26 posted on 04/18/2006 5:25:38 PM PDT by mountainlyons (Hard core conservative)
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To: SierraWasp

Bush could delay this order with an EO - one call to the EPA to suspend the ethanol mandate for one year is all it would take.


27 posted on 04/18/2006 5:28:51 PM PDT by oceanview
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To: raygun; SierraWasp; Tarpon; Dog Gone; Ernest_at_the_Beach
Congress also decided not to include a liability waiver in the energy bill to protect refiners that blended MTBE into gasoline from lawsuits stemming from contamination.

The "whole story" is far more detailed and lengthly, but in a nutshell...
When the government called for the final phase-out of leaded gasoline, an oxygenate became necessary to enable octane ratings to be maintained. At that time the refiners came to the government with the option to use either ethanol or MTBE. The government, at the time, said in essence, "We don't care, as long as it does the job." Now, all these many years later, the same governemnt is coming back to the same refiners asking, "Why'n the Hell are you using that toxic MTBE crap??" The italicized excerpt, above, means that this same governemnt is refusing to protect these refiners from lawsuits that will, inevitably, arise from the refiners' use of a compund the government previously said was okay for them to use.

Your tax dollars hard at work, folks. Read it and weep. Again.

28 posted on 04/18/2006 5:46:31 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: SierraWasp
Is there anything that doesn't cause gasoline price spikes? If it rains, the price goes up. If it doesn't rain, the price goes up. If there's war, the price goes up. If there's peace, the price goes up. If somebody comes up with a way to decrease our need for gas, the price goes up too! And so on. We can't win.
29 posted on 04/18/2006 5:51:20 PM PDT by Fairview
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To: Fairview
No, we cannot, its happening because they can get away with it. Just like the fake california power crisis, end result, crisis over electricity twice the Price.
30 posted on 04/18/2006 6:17:24 PM PDT by Roverman2K
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To: HKMk23; Dog Gone; Fairview
I agree with your scenario, by and large, except I learned first hand that Robert Kennedy, Junior's NRDC (Natural Resources Defense Council) sued the Federal EPA, forcing them to enforce the oxygenate requirement that west coast refiners have said for years is totally unneeded.

So they enforced, (wink wink) although this was one of them "friendly lawsuits" where the EPA suggested to NRDC that they litigate to get the ball rolling. That's what brought on the MTBE which poisoned a lot of drinking water in CA!!!

The stupid CA EPA tried to blame that poisoning on leaking tanks in the ground and drove almost all the independent mom & pop gas stations out of business in CA for nothing, except now we can't even git a GAS WAR started which was what the independents were occasionally able to start.

It is getting more and more like the near monopoly that utilities have, which is giving voice to idiots like Bill O'Rielly who is calling for boycotts and more offensive government interference with the free market. (what little is left, if any!!!)

I'm really amazed at how much the "big oil" companies have put up with and how well they've been providing their commodity at faily stable/affordabel prices for so long, with as much dinkin around they've had to put up with.

For cripes sake, they can't even build anymore refineries anywhere in this country without mobs of idiots brutalizing our "democratic process" and intimidating our gutless elected officials into killing any such projects under the NIMBY banner, or the BANANA (Build Absolutely Nothing Anywhere Near Anything) banner!!! (same goes for nuclear plants)

The "China Syndrome" shoulda been a movie about the forced re-location of Jane Fonda to Red China during the 1970's!!!

31 posted on 04/18/2006 7:23:49 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: Fairview; Roverman2K

I just wish you two pundits had worked in the oil industry like I have for over 25 years and seen prices plummet like I have regularly.

My co-workers lost their jobs and never came back.

You only remember price increases, never the price decreases.

And you think we somehow control them. Friends, if we controlled them, there would never be price decreases. Your amnesia doesn't change reality.


32 posted on 04/18/2006 7:33:37 PM PDT by Dog Gone
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To: SierraWasp
I agree with your scenario, by and large,...

Ah, yes, there was a ruckus out here, early on. Maybe it was in the fallout of that suit that the refiners posed the option to the gov't over which oxygentate to use.

Aw, heck. My wife could lay it out point-by-point; she was a QA Lab Chemist with one of the biggies for years and saw it all go down from the inside; first the gov't pushing one way, then the other. Always an opponent of big gov't, she never got so chummy with her employer as to indulge any bias that direction, either, though. She's as stright-up and no-nonsense as they come and has one of the most sensetive "BS Meters" Ive ever encountered.

33 posted on 04/18/2006 7:43:49 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: SierraWasp

Hey thanks for clearing it up ... you the uninformed lurk.

I know all about MTBE and how it got in gasoline and how it got out. It's a CA nutty thing, we don't allow our politician to do such stupid stuff like this in our state. Imagine, posion your own ground water supply, how stupid is that.

BTW how is the air in CA.


34 posted on 04/18/2006 7:45:42 PM PDT by Tarpon
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To: HKMk23

Everyone should have wives that are omnipotant BS dectors!!! Mine is like that too!!! But she's not a chemist outside the kitchen!!! (grin)


35 posted on 04/18/2006 7:49:05 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: Tarpon
"...we don't allow our politician to do such stupid stuff like this in our state."

Oh yeah??? Just tell me what state you live in since you were afraid to register even that most basic info on you FR home page and I'll soon find a bunch of stupid stuff your politicians have done that would boggle the average uninformed lurker's mind from your state/territory!!!

36 posted on 04/18/2006 7:55:15 PM PDT by SierraWasp (Without knowing the force of words, it is impossible to know man!!! (or especially Waspman!!!))
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To: HKMk23

The government made a mistake in allowing MTBE. Just because they made a mistake does not mean that we don't need to protect our drinking water. It would be insane to keep using this stuff. It really has contaminated drinking water. And it only takes a drop to contaminate a lot of water. It is nasty stuff.


37 posted on 04/18/2006 7:55:20 PM PDT by Revel
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To: Revel
Just because they made a mistake does not mean that we don't need to protect our drinking water.

We're agreed on that. In fact, I've heard no sane person argue otherwise. That stated, ethanol isn't particularly nice to water, either. The bottom line is that, the refiners have asserted for YEARS that oxygenates aren't necessary; that they can achieve "clean" gasoline without them. We only have them because of background machinations on the part of our gov't; doing it "for the children", no doubt.

Yes, water quality needs to be protected from contaminants. No, oxygenates -- MTBE and ethanol -- are NOT necessary.

It should be PAINFULLY obvious that BOTH the refiners and the environmentalists could have their wishes -- and we could ALL WIN, for once -- if our big, fat, nanny of a gov't would just butt out of this. the refiners could drop the oxygenates -- MTBE and ethanol -- and blend "clean" gas without them. They'd be happy, the big bad toxins wouldn't be in the gasoline, anymore, so they wouldn't be an issue with our water supplies... We could win. Easily.

<RETCHING_SARCASM>
But, NOOOOoooo, can't have THAT, now, can we? Can't possibly have an aspect of life left untouched (unmolested?) by the presence of our Dear Ol' Uncle Sam, now. That'd be downright unpatriotic!!
</RETCHING_SARCASM>

38 posted on 04/18/2006 8:12:27 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: SierraWasp
...she's not a chemist outside the kitchen!!!

Mine's not a chemist outside the kitchen, anymore, either. In fact, she's never been a chemist in the kitchen; she's an absolute WIZARD! We have a standing joke that she's never made the same thing twice, because she's forever making things with slightly different ingredients. Got none of X-Y-Z for the spaghetti sauce, tonight? No problem! We'll sub in some of A-B-C, instead! Results?? Delectable!!

39 posted on 04/18/2006 8:17:25 PM PDT by HKMk23 (We keep you alive to serve this ship. Row well, and live.)
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To: Dog Gone

Unfortunately, we are dealing with the O'Reilly factor here!
Opiners who are popinjays with
NO CLUE.
Economics 101 folks.
We don't drill here.
We won't refine here anymore.
What we do refine here is changed every year by smoke and mirror "do gooders".
(ever wonder what they actually "Do good" at? Where's the proof that they are doing anything or that it's result is 'good'?)

Retooling a refinery is like trying to make a menopausal woman pregnant again! (as if she'd want that!)
We are asking them to become pregnant on a momentary basis.

Why?
To save millions of fat, menopausal Caribou who can't Stop giving birth and likely WANT to commit suicide as a result!

(They are praying for suicidal Islamists to come kill them)

Yep. It's that simple





40 posted on 04/18/2006 8:24:18 PM PDT by acapesket (never had a vote count in all my years here)
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To: SierraWasp

I’ve got the “I can’t Be the Town Drunk Anymore ‘Cause I Got Run Outta Town” Blues!

I was cruisin’ my pick-up,
Goin’ up hill and down.
My tank was on empty,
I looked for a town.

In the fog on the mountain,
I was driving real slow,
Saw a neat little valley,
With a town down below.

So I drifted on down there,
On the fumes in my tank,
Looked around for a station,
All I saw was a bank.

Last time it was open,
LBJ ruled the day.
There was no gas to purchase,
And no way I could pay.

I got the I can’t Be the Town Drunk Anymore ‘Cause I Got Run Outta Town Blues!
Ain’t nobody gonna give me nothin’ but the tips of their shoes!
As they kick and they fight,
Til I’m clear outta sight,
They don’t want me takin’ up their time or their booze!

There I sat in my truck,
I was down at my heels,
I’d run clear out of luck,
Guess you know how that feels.

When a scruffy old feller,
Offered something to drink.
It was something so horrid,
It might kill me I think.

But I had to be friendly,
So I told the man fine,
Got a gallon of moonshine,
For a buck twenty-nine.


I got the I can’t Be the Town Drunk Anymore ‘Cause I Got Run Outta Town Blues!
Ain’t nobody gonna give me nothin’ but the tips of their shoes!
As they kick and they fight,
Til I’m clear outta sight,
They don’t want me takin’ up their time or their booze!

I knew I couldn’t drink it,
For it reeked and it stank,
So just to get shet of it,
I poured it into my tank.

Don’t know what I was thinkin’
Tried to start my old truck,
Well, she ran like a new pup!
Had a change in my luck.

Bought some more of that homebrew,
For a price I can’t beat,
Keeps me rolling much better,
Than the gas on your street!

I got the I can’t Be the Town Drunk Anymore ‘Cause I Got Run Outta Town Blues!
Ain’t nobody gonna give me nothin’ but the tips of their shoes!
As they kick and they fight,
Til I’m clear outta sight,
They don’t want me takin’ up their time or their booze!

I went back pretty often,
Bought up most of their stuff,
They thought me a drunkard,
Who just can’t get enough.

I kept up the pretense,
Who gets gas for that price?
They called me the town drunk,
I just thought it was nice!

Then one day I got busted,
They discovered my game,
For some reason they’re angry,
Now it can’t be the same.

I got the I can’t Be the Town Drunk Anymore ‘Cause I Got Run Outta Town Blues!
Ain’t nobody gonna give me nothin’ but the tips of their shoes!
As they kick and they fight,
Til I’m clear outta sight,
They don’t want me takin’ up their time or their booze!

NicknamedBob. . . . September 27, 2005

41 posted on 04/19/2006 3:53:31 AM PDT by NicknamedBob (I don't want a World with empty dreams ... Dump the 1967 Outer Space Treaty Now!...Farm Mars!)
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Opinions?
42 posted on 04/19/2006 4:00:36 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: RandallFlagg
Ethanol cannot be distributed via pipeline, it must be trucked to distribution points for blending. Condensation in piping dilutes the ethanol. Since a lower octane gasoline is used in blending, diluted ethanol will result in a lower octane product. This of course results in lower MPG.

I see that Congress really had their head up their !@#! when they passed this. Don't forget all the additional costs in shipping corn from the fields to the refineries, then to the distribution points. Now that's environmentally friendly.
43 posted on 04/19/2006 4:13:11 AM PDT by MassPole
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To: MassPole

My diagram is for production of hydrogen. Not ethanol.


44 posted on 04/19/2006 4:25:42 AM PDT by RandallFlagg (Roll your own cigarettes! You'll save $$$ and smoke less!(Magnetic bumper stickers-click my name)
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To: daivid

You really don't know a whole lot about growing corn , do you?


45 posted on 04/19/2006 5:20:31 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: SierraWasp

Darn, and I thought it was the EVIL oil companies that rasied prices. Socialism never works


48 posted on 04/19/2006 5:45:09 AM PDT by StoneColdTaxHater
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To: SierraWasp

SmartMoney.com
Tripping Out

By Ray Hennessey
April 18, 2006

"VACATION'S ALL I ever wanted," the great philosopher and humanitarian Belinda Carlisle once said. "Vacation, have to get away."

Now's the time of year when Wall Street analysts tell us summer effectively has been cancelled. This time round, the culprit is oil, which is topping $71 a barrel. That, in turn, has helped drive prices of gasoline higher. That's causing sticker shock, so much so that you, the American consumer, will be loath to fill up your tanks and go off on vacation. In fact, you'll probably just stay at home. Luckily you filled up the air-raid bunker in your basement with Yoo-Hoo and Glenmorangie when you were worried about the Millennium Bug back in '99.

Rubbish.

Are gas prices a problem? You bet. I own a Saturn, a boring one that does nothing to increase my dating rating but certainly doesn't burn fuel like a Hummer. Still, I raise my eyebrows and whistle when I see what I'm paying to fill up my tank. No doubt the airlines will struggle with higher jet-fuel costs. (Luckily, there's never been a problem that industry couldn't handle with skill, grace and intelligence.... Oh, even I can't finish that sentence without giggling like a toddler.) Cruise lines will pay through the nose, too. In fact, any industry that uses oil-based fuels will have to pay more, and that cost will be passed along to you and me.

But will we really not pay? Will a trip to Au Bon Pain replace the flight to Paris? Of course not. As a people, we Americans relish in our vacations. We don't quite carve out the time for vacations like the French and Germans do, but, then again, with the state of their labor markets, their vacations really don't count. One has to hold a job to qualify for a holiday.

Yet, Americans are big on vacation. We work hard and we play hard (or so the beer commercials tell us). We do it with the same aggressiveness we use to do everything else. All-you-can-eat buffets on cruises are not an opportunity, but a dare. We develop strategies for beating the lines at Six Flags that can outfox the brightest brass at the Pentagon. We own Winnebagoes larger than our homes.

So, a spike in gas prices isn't going to stop us. It's just going to make it more expensive. And you and I both know we're going to pay it. Why? Because it ain't that much. Let's face it, even if there were a $20 surcharge on your airline ticket, is that really enough to tell the kids that we're cancelling the vacation to Europe and will instead play Clue until Mommy hits Daddy over the head with a candlestick in the billiard room? We just have to dig a bit deeper, but dig we'll do — in our wallets and on the sand in the O.C.

The reasons for telling you this are twofold. First, from a personal-finance perspective, it's a great time to rework the sums on the back of your envelope to factor in the higher prices. You'll pay more for fuel, and you'll pay more for other things. Plan to deal with it. Save a little more each week. You can handle it.

From an investing perspective, you'd be wise to ignore the chatter that these prices will dampen summer travel. Last year, analysts suggested staying away from companies leveraged to leisure travel. If you did that, you would've missed a nice run-up in Carnival (CCL1) and Royal Caribbean Cruises (RCL2) from the spring through the summer. In fact, once most people figured out that the gloom-and-doom predictions for summer travel weren't playing out, it was too late: The money had been made and investors bailed on travel stocks. That pattern isn't guaranteed to happen this year, but it certainly could. Many of the same themes from 2005 are being muttered about now: high oil, strife in the Middle East, rising interest rates, a spat between Simon Cowell and Ryan Seacrest. Companies dealt with all that just fine last year. They can do it again now.

Finally, this is a great chance to take yet another swipe at conventional wisdom. In investing, it almost never holds, nor is it often profitable. It's the contrarian view that often leads to the biggest gains. While other investors are placing bets on a slowdown in the economy by getting defensive, it may be worth taking a look at the companies leveraged to discretionary spending. That's where the bargains will be found, I'd wager.

Of course, I might not be around to see if the theory plays out. I'll be on holiday.
3 Ray Hennessey is editor of SmartMoney.com. Email him at rhennessey@smartmoney.com4.



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49 posted on 04/19/2006 5:51:28 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: Lord Washbourne

How do you figure that? I come up with somewhere around $4.50 for a gallon equivalent quantity of electric energy using 120K BTUs per gallon and $.13 per KWhr. The efficiency of converting electric power into motive power will be better than for gasoline, but I doubt you'll come up with a factor of 10.


50 posted on 04/19/2006 5:59:46 AM PDT by Jack of all Trades (Liberalism: replacing backbones with wishbones.)
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