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British officer likens US generals to gung-ho movie stars: report
AFP on Yahoo ^ | 4/18/06 | AFP

Posted on 04/18/2006 7:06:15 PM PDT by NormsRevenge

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To: NormsRevenge

"Brigadier Alan Sharp "


Actually I think this silly twit is Brigadier Andrew Sharpe:

http://www.euforbih.org/commanders/mntfnw/t060304a.htm
"He spent 2004 in Baghdad as a strategic planner, writing the Coalition Campaign Plan for Iraq for which he was subsequently awarded the OBE (and the Bronze Star by theAmericans). He attended the Royal College of Defence Studies in 2005. He deploys on I March 2006, on promotion to Brigadier, as COMBRITFOR (Balkans)"


41 posted on 04/18/2006 7:52:21 PM PDT by mrsmith
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To: NormsRevenge

I used to think I was John Wayne and I sure wasn't a general.


42 posted on 04/18/2006 7:52:38 PM PDT by OldEagle (May you live long enough to hear the legends of your own adventures.)
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To: NormsRevenge
A senior British military officer, who worked in Baghdad in 2004, believes US generals try to act like gung-ho movie stars such as John Wayne, a newspaper reported.

Works for me:


43 posted on 04/18/2006 7:54:09 PM PDT by Ladysmith ((NRA, SAS))
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To: NormsRevenge
Image hosted by Photobucket.com whatever you say there SunTzu... er Monty.
44 posted on 04/18/2006 8:04:25 PM PDT by Chode (1967 UN Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT. American Hedonist ©®)
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To: Ladysmith

Big John Wayne Bump!


45 posted on 04/18/2006 8:07:04 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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To: Stepan12

"proud announcements about how many Iraqis were killed"

This is, unfortunately, a hold over from Robert Strange McNamara and his attempt to quantify combat and effective combat leadership. His tour as SecDef (1961 - 1968 ?) was the beginning of the downfall of the American military.

By definition combat is not something that can be managed - prepared for, survived, endured - yes! But how do you manage chaos?

Combat has always been to effect the hearts and minds of the enemy. The quickest effect is to stop their hearts and minds. But, if war is a form of semi-controlled violence, the near total destruction of a society might not be the real end goal.

In 1919 World War I ended without affecting the hearts and minds of Imperial Germany’s population - twenty years later the world was at it again.

Yet in 1945 World War II ended with heavy effects on the German hearts and minds. That ended that particular European flash point (no new wars in/over Germany in 60 years (a record since the mid 1800s).

We can argue the Cold War details later. But, IMHO, it ended when the Soviet leadership cadre had a serious change of their hearts and minds (minimal destruction of the general, supporting, society).

In 1991 DESERT STORM ended without affecting the hearts and minds of the Iraqi population/leadership cadre. Twenty-one years later we were at it again.

I think that Brigadier Sharp might have a valid explanation for the “out break” of General Officers b**ching about Bush and the SecDef. These men got to their position through showmanship and self-advertising. And now, they are just one more retired officer who must continue to sell themselves to get, in their minds, their just rewards.


46 posted on 04/18/2006 8:07:15 PM PDT by Nip (SPECTRE - Whistling death from the darkness of night.)
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To: NormsRevenge
believes US generals try to act like gung-ho movie stars such as John Wayne, a newspaper reported.

Better to be John Wayne than pantie waste Sean Penn or effeminate Henry Winkler.

47 posted on 04/18/2006 8:07:24 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: Finalapproach29er
Just think of the backsides he kissed and you will understand (lol).
48 posted on 04/18/2006 8:11:06 PM PDT by JasonC
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To: daybreakcoming
What this toy soldier doesn't get is that Hollywood actually does imitate life once in a while - not the other way around as he states.
Basically what I was going to say. Whaddamaroon.
49 posted on 04/18/2006 8:14:58 PM PDT by AnnaZ (Victory at all costs-in spite of all terror-however long and hard the road may be-for survival)
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To: frankiep; Stepan12

When Britain was at its peak of power just about 110 years ago, it did not give a darn about the hearts and minds of the people whom they conquered, and was unashamedly proud of it.

Anyone read Joseph Chamberlain's speeches? The most naked American (so-called-)imperialist Teddy Roosevelt was never even half of Chamberlain's aggressiveness.


50 posted on 04/18/2006 8:15:58 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: Nip
Yeah, a truism. You kick the living crap out of them and they won't be back for more.

It's too bad that we never learn it.

51 posted on 04/18/2006 8:18:59 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: TexasTransplant

I didn't say they were not brave but the Brits are, at best, very reluctant allies.


52 posted on 04/18/2006 8:21:31 PM PDT by luvbach1 (More true now than ever: Near the belly of the beast in San Diego)
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To: Enchante

British opinions seem to be getting more Europeanized each day. I have read online articles over the years and every time when I see American patriotic posts or anti-anti-American articles, the angry retorts always seem to be coming from the Mother Country. Her Majesty's subjects seem more than content to defend their continental bretherns in front of those despised Yanks.

The saying that "The [English] Channel is wider than the Atlantic" is now a thing of the past. And if Britain's people aren't careful and fail to take any corrective measures, they will end up in the same fate as Europe - into the dustbin of history.


53 posted on 04/18/2006 8:23:03 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: luvbach1; TexasTransplant

Britain's foreign policy has always been guided by what Lord Palmerston said in 1848: "We have no eternal allies and we have no perpetual enemies. Our interests are perpetual and eternal and those interests it is our duty to follow."

Over the past 60 years, Britain has largely believed allying with the United States serves the United Kingdom's national interests. But lately some (and a growing number of the general population) seem to believe detachment from the US serves Britain's interests in the world. Hence the increasing reluctance.


54 posted on 04/18/2006 8:25:56 PM PDT by NZerFromHK (Leftism is like honey mixed with arsenic: initially it tastes good, but that will end up killing you)
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To: NormsRevenge

lol Showing a movie character American General who went insane and killed his own men might not be the best way of refuting this guy.


55 posted on 04/18/2006 8:26:00 PM PDT by Democratshavenobrains
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To: Ladysmith

OOooh imagine if Hollywood made movies like that today.


56 posted on 04/18/2006 8:26:37 PM PDT by monkapotamus
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To: NormsRevenge

He probably ran into Zinni and Clark.


57 posted on 04/18/2006 8:26:48 PM PDT by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: pierrem15
Yup. The Brits didn't take Basra until just before Baghdad fell. I thought it odd that the Brits took so long to take just one port city. I was also surprised that no one in the media, military analysts, etc. mentioned that. Hope they aren't going French on us? Especially after these nasty and unnecessary comments from this general. Wonder what he thinks about a British elitist known as Field Marshall Montgomery and his Operation Market Garden? I hear he spoke an excellent Queen's English and had wonderful British Tea manners. Unfortunately for the Dutch they could not afford another "British Victory" as the results of "Operation Market Garden" was described by Field Marshall Montgomery.

Curious how many hearts and minds this elitist is winning in the Balkans? They have been at it now for how many years?
58 posted on 04/18/2006 8:29:56 PM PDT by Chgogal (The US Military fights for Freedom of the Press while the NYT lies about the Military and cowers...)
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To: NormsRevenge
British officer likens US generals to gung-ho movie stars: report

Compared to Bitish officers we do have nads and are hard charging .... see Montgomery for the opposite.

59 posted on 04/18/2006 8:30:21 PM PDT by Centurion2000 (Every man must be tempted, sometimes,to hoist the black flag, and begin slitting throats.)
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To: Nip
>>>>"I think that Brigadier Sharp might have a valid explanation for the “out break” of General Officers b**ching about Bush and the SecDef. These men got to their position through showmanship and self-advertising. And now, they are just one more retired officer who must continue to sell themselves to get, in their minds, their just rewards"<<<<

Negative, years past they worked for "Politicians" and didn't even have enough spine to tell Hillary to "STUFF IT" when she declared that the Uniform of the Day "To and From" the Pentagon was Civilian Attire because she hated Uniforms, they were Wined and Dined like lobbyists and then Rummy comes in and just changes the rules, they had to go back to being Military and subservient to the Secretary of Defense (imagine that) and the USA.

Hope more of these self inflated egos speak out so that Military History can record their accomplishments and failures accurately and Military Schools can continue to Learn and Teach as they have for hundreds of years.

TT
60 posted on 04/18/2006 8:30:45 PM PDT by TexasTransplant (NEMO ME IMPUNE LACESSET)
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