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Many in GOP Will Sit Out Bush Talk (Grassroots Angry Over Amnesty)
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 23, 2006 | Christopher Goffard and Jean Pasco

Posted on 04/23/2006 5:27:56 AM PDT by nj26

When President Bush arrives in Irvine on Monday morning to pitch his immigration reform plan, one of his party's best-known local standard-bearers will be maintaining a respectful — and politically careful — distance.

Dana Rohrabacher, the nine-term Republican congressman from Huntington Beach, generally supports the president, but disagrees with his immigration policies. So Rohrabacher plans to sit out Bush's speech to the Orange County Business Council.

"I don't want to be behind him looking glum and not applauding," Rohrabacher said. "So as not to be rude to the president — which I think is inexcusable — I think I'll just be staying away."

Rohrabacher's remarks reflect deep unhappiness within the GOP toward Bush's immigration stance, particularly in Republican Orange County, which is famous as a caldron of border-crackdown sentiment and where many Republicans criticize his guest-worker plan as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Bush's decision to speak here might prove an embarrassing miscalculation, said John J. Pitney, a government professor at Claremont McKenna College who used to live in Orange County and worked for the national GOP.

"I'm not sure they had their O.C. antennae up," he said of White House schedulers. "They don't realize how complicated this issue is. It's possible this is a Daniel-in-the-lions'-den moment, but that's not really characteristic of this administration."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; americahate; borderlist; bushhate; california; calvisit; guestworkers; hairboy; haircutboy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; irvine; whoishairboy
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To: CBart95
The mental institutions have opened up their computer rooms for the inmates so they can play on the internet now. Watch it. You just might get slapped like this individual suggests. The rest of us are off to church to pray for all of us...even the folks at Looney Tunes.

Well, pray for some wisdom for yourself - and a few clues as well.

101 posted on 04/23/2006 7:41:21 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: manwiththehands
You and I think alike, and the diehards are trying to shame us into line rather than listening. If Republicans continue their shift to the left, I could care less if they go down.

I'm not a party over principle person, so they are wasting their time on me.

The diehards know we are the difference, that is why they are so upset. Maybe they should put their party back on the conservative path to regain our support.

Naw, they would rather try to shame and browbeat.

102 posted on 04/23/2006 7:42:13 AM PDT by Jarhead1957 (It's The Borders Stupid)
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To: Jarhead1957
The diehards know we are the difference, that is why they are so upset. Maybe they should put their party back on the conservative path to regain our support.

Indeed. They're willing to swallow any tripe, as long as it has a GOP Keeping-The-House Seal of Approval.

103 posted on 04/23/2006 7:45:43 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: mathluv

If I pee in your ear, and tell you it's actually raining? would you believe me? On Amnesty GWB is peeing in our ear.


104 posted on 04/23/2006 7:46:26 AM PDT by rock58seg (The actual thing all illegal aliens will do, that over half of Americans won't, is vote Democrat.)
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To: KCRW
You will be responsible for the Democrats taking over power

You are wrong. It is the party voted in that has the responsibility to maintain power by how they govern. It is they who work for us, not the other way around. Your way of thinking is the same as the liberal who blames America for 911. No, the American people are not to blame. Our leaders are.

105 posted on 04/23/2006 7:47:06 AM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: nj26
What I have warned is that many CONSERVATIVES are going to start staying home or voting third party if the GOP betrays its conservative principles.

That's the real story. A third party. I am a staunch conservative but I am not a staunch Republican, especially as they move further and further to the left.

I still like Dubya as a person. I think he's a decent fellow who means well but I do not think he's a hard-core conservative. I think he's a Christian, which means that his beliefs are conservative only insofar as the conservative stance aligns with his Christian sensibilities.

Unfortunately for us, his brand of Christianity is the sort that likes to give money away. Our money. To Palestinians, to Africans with AIDS, to Mexico, to the health care system, to the education system... all that bleeding heart generosity (which would be fine if he were giving away the Bush family fortune and not tax-payer money) is antithetical to conservativism and if there's a viable third-party candidate anytime soon, be it a Libertarian who isn't addled with conspiracy theories or another Ross Perot type... I'd prefer that person over Bush.

106 posted on 04/23/2006 7:47:43 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: imintrouble

My brother married a lady from Taiwan in 1999. They have bought and sold two homes, had two children, have gone to every "inquisition" with the authorities, proved the children are theirs with birth certificates, and still they question the children, the birth certificates, the deed's, everything they do. With the constant threat to send her back to Taiwan, without her children or husband.


107 posted on 04/23/2006 7:48:28 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: engrpat
Good Read. The government could easily crack down on illegals and the employers who hire them if they just shared information between agencies. One child's social security number has been used over 700 times in 42 states. Good Grief!!!

That is one of things that I tell people, that illegals are the driving force behind the current wave of identity theft in our country. This article proves it.

108 posted on 04/23/2006 7:50:01 AM PDT by AmericaOne (Borders, Language and Culture - You Don't Have These, You Don't Have A Country)
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To: starbase

Impeach Bush? For what high crime and/or misdemeanor? Is that you Howard Dean?


109 posted on 04/23/2006 7:55:17 AM PDT by ShandaLear (Announcing you plans is a good way to hear God laugh. Al Swearengen, 1877—Deadwood)
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To: guitfiddlist
Ok, Ill play devil's advocate here.

What is your Plan B? If the DNC controls the House and Senate, what do YOU do. Yo talk of all the things that the current congress under GOP control does not do. We can all agree on that they aren't doing their job.

So now they are gone, replaced with left-wing Democrats that will right off the bat ignore you, start their wacky impeachment hearings, kill the war effort, and bring in tax hikes. Now what do you the "independent, conservative voter that will not pull the lever for liberal lite GOP candidates" do now? If you think posting on FR and bitching on Limbaugh for the next four years is a solution, we are all in deep trouble.

I dont like the idea of voting for a GOP guy because its not a Dem line myself. But I have to ask myself am I stupid enough to go over the cliff just to prove a point? Or is better to fight within a party in power to change it?
110 posted on 04/23/2006 7:56:55 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (Quick! Press the Sarcasm button!)
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To: TomGuy

Then why aren't they working with the Senate to get a bill passed instead of complaining?


111 posted on 04/23/2006 7:59:36 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: thirst4truth
My brother married a lady from Taiwan in 1999. They have bought and sold two homes, had two children, have gone to every "inquisition" with the authorities, proved the children are theirs with birth certificates, and still they question the children, the birth certificates, the deed's, everything they do. With the constant threat to send her back to Taiwan, without her children or husband.

This is what's absolutely Twilight Zone about our immigration policy. When it comes to legitimate immigration - the INS turns into Nazi Dobermans, with ridiculous waits, inquisitions, hoop jumping and draconian requirements. But when it comes to the illegals of all nationalities piling in from one area only - the Mexican border - the administration turns into herding sheepdogs. "Hey! This way to the border! Water stations over there...free schools and hospitals over yonder, welfare office thataway, and oodles of jobs anywhere north! Keep a'comin!"

112 posted on 04/23/2006 7:59:37 AM PDT by guitfiddlist (When the 'Rats break out switchblades, it's no time to invoke Robert's Rules.)
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To: starbase

We have two conservative Supreme Court Justices, that is why I voted for Bush. We will see the positive effect of this for decades, and libs are crazy over it. Would you rather have Al Gore?, John Kerry?, what would their Supreme Court picks be?


113 posted on 04/23/2006 8:00:47 AM PDT by thirst4truth
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To: Savage Beast
The Democrat Party is FAR WORSE and has NOTHING to offer. Note tagline

I agree with what you say. You must realise however, most of us in FR already know how we will vote. We are NOT the swing voters. It scares me to see the popularity of the GOP in FR during these times and I will not stick my head in the sand nor will I blame Freepers for being unhappy that the president we help get re-elected and his party are selling out the USA.

The problem is this. If there is so much dissent here within FR... just what do you think the average American voter who only sees a maximum of 30 minutes of news a day, only reads only the headlines on the front pages of newspapers and is not involved in political blogs. This is the swing voter and this swing voter does NOT support amnesty and this swing voter knows who is in power at the moment and this swing voter does NOT pledge his allegiance to any particular party.

When you see the unhappiness within the base you can blame the base all you want, but also multiply this unhappiness many times more outside of FR with the average American voter.

Then add the libs into all of this and just how encourage they are becoming over the 2006 election as they see the GOP and Bush fail their base.

I'm a realist

114 posted on 04/23/2006 8:00:55 AM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: ShandaLear
Impeach Bush? For what high crime and/or misdemeanor? Is that you Howard Dean?

For the high crime of abject dereliction of duty. I can't believe you've failed to observe the 20 to 30 million illegal foreigners among us. George's job (at least this year) is to stop that. He has instead facilitated it.

You are the second genius that has tried to call me "Howard Dean", rather than justify Bush's failures on immigration, finances, affirmative action, or abortion. Surely you don't believe name calling can keep you in power?

Look at my homepage regarding propaganda techniques. You'll find #5 is Name Calling. Read through the rest if you would like some alternative education.
115 posted on 04/23/2006 8:02:49 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: VanDeKoik
What is your Plan B? If the DNC controls the House and Senate, what do YOU do.

Hope it scares the bejesus out of the Republicans and they realize that in order to recapture the base in 2008 they have to run conservatives who really are conservative.

The message will be clearest if, rather than abstain from voting, we all vote for third party conservatives like Constitution party, a very conservative Independent, or Libertarian.

116 posted on 04/23/2006 8:02:56 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: Doc Savage

Lots of generalizations there in that post. How sad for you to think that way.


117 posted on 04/23/2006 8:03:43 AM PDT by marajade (Yes, I'm a SW freak!)
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To: starbase

#12 and #19 are pretty much the same, aren't they?


118 posted on 04/23/2006 8:08:12 AM PDT by wizardoz
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To: thirst4truth
We have two conservative Supreme Court Justices, that is why I voted for Bush.

That's real nice, but he was forced to do that. One might observe that he gave in on that point so that he could go ahead and obliterate the entire culture with illegals anyway. What difference will it make when some silly "supreme court" justices have one opinion, and riots, or Marxist representatives in Congress are running rough shod over everything anyway?

The supreme court appointments were a calculated loss so that George could get his Mexicans in. If they and their families seize control of the electorate, it won't matter what any Supreme Court fool writes on a piece of paper.
119 posted on 04/23/2006 8:09:34 AM PDT by starbase (Understanding Written Propaganda (click "starbase" to learn 22 manipulating tricks!!))
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To: Savage Beast

9/11 was never repeated because of the few people in the US Goverment who are fighting the war on terror. Bush has nothing to do with it.
In fact he is doing everything he can to make it possible for an attack.


120 posted on 04/23/2006 8:10:24 AM PDT by Jimbaugh (Fear the Base !!!)
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