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Many in GOP Will Sit Out Bush Talk (Grassroots Angry Over Amnesty)
Los Angeles Times ^ | April 23, 2006 | Christopher Goffard and Jean Pasco

Posted on 04/23/2006 5:27:56 AM PDT by nj26

When President Bush arrives in Irvine on Monday morning to pitch his immigration reform plan, one of his party's best-known local standard-bearers will be maintaining a respectful — and politically careful — distance.

Dana Rohrabacher, the nine-term Republican congressman from Huntington Beach, generally supports the president, but disagrees with his immigration policies. So Rohrabacher plans to sit out Bush's speech to the Orange County Business Council.

"I don't want to be behind him looking glum and not applauding," Rohrabacher said. "So as not to be rude to the president — which I think is inexcusable — I think I'll just be staying away."

Rohrabacher's remarks reflect deep unhappiness within the GOP toward Bush's immigration stance, particularly in Republican Orange County, which is famous as a caldron of border-crackdown sentiment and where many Republicans criticize his guest-worker plan as amnesty for illegal immigrants.

Bush's decision to speak here might prove an embarrassing miscalculation, said John J. Pitney, a government professor at Claremont McKenna College who used to live in Orange County and worked for the national GOP.

"I'm not sure they had their O.C. antennae up," he said of White House schedulers. "They don't realize how complicated this issue is. It's possible this is a Daniel-in-the-lions'-den moment, but that's not really characteristic of this administration."

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Politics/Elections; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; americahate; borderlist; bushhate; california; calvisit; guestworkers; hairboy; haircutboy; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; immigrationreform; irvine; whoishairboy
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1 posted on 04/23/2006 5:28:01 AM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26
Bush's decision to speak here might prove an embarrassing miscalculation, said John J. Pitney

Maybe, if the uproar is loud enough, it will give Bush a good dose of reality -- that 70%+ are opposed to his amnesty (under any name) for illegals.
2 posted on 04/23/2006 5:32:42 AM PDT by TomGuy
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To: nj26
This guy might have just committed political suicide for standing up for what the true Republican party stands for. Expect Bush to publicly admonish him in a press conference shortly thereafter.
3 posted on 04/23/2006 5:32:44 AM PDT by manwiththehands ("'Rule of law'? We don't need no stinkin' rule of law! We want AMNESTY, muchacho!")
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To: nj26

Maybe than he will get the picture, you promised to secure America, it can't be done without protecting OUR border.

Two words, NO amnesty!

There are socialist marxist who have invaded and are taking over this Country don't let them.


4 posted on 04/23/2006 5:33:28 AM PDT by stopem (If we need a "guest worker" we'll call........if the phone doesn't ring it's me!)
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To: manwiththehands

Republicans get punished, Democrats like 'Sandy' Tenat get Medal of Freedoms.


5 posted on 04/23/2006 5:39:34 AM PDT by Leisler (Not all Muslims are terrorists, but all terrorists are Muslim.)
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To: nj26
When President Bush arrives in Irvine on Monday morning to pitch his immigration reform plan.

I won't watch him either, this "bozo" doesn't have a plan except his rediculous "compassionate conservatism" that says no Mexican left behind.

Bush is as big a BS'er as scumbag Clinton!

His obvious impression of the average American is, we are a bunch of "numb noggins"!

6 posted on 04/23/2006 5:42:12 AM PDT by VOYAGER
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To: nj26
Unless Bush stops supporting amnesty (which he won't) he is going to be responsible for a 2006 midterm election disaster.
7 posted on 04/23/2006 5:42:41 AM PDT by vox humana
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To: vox humana

Actually, you will be responsible for the 2006 elections. You and tons of folks like you.

Just like you, President Bush gets one vote.

You will be responsible for the Democrats taking over power.


8 posted on 04/23/2006 5:46:25 AM PDT by KCRW
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To: nj26

If you burn the base enough times they won't come back.

I can't count the ways...


9 posted on 04/23/2006 5:48:40 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: KCRW

More like the Republicans will have failed to maintain it.


10 posted on 04/23/2006 5:49:11 AM PDT by Paladin2 (If the political indictment's from Fitz, the jury always acquits.)
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To: KCRW

Why vote for Democrats lite?


11 posted on 04/23/2006 5:49:39 AM PDT by DB ()
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To: nj26

The GOP will have no one to blame but themselves. We kept up our end of the bargain for putting them in power to begin with, it's time they kept up their end.


12 posted on 04/23/2006 5:49:46 AM PDT by cripplecreek (Never a minigun handy when you need one.)
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To: KCRW

The Republicans better give us someone to vote for then. I will not vote for anyone who supports amnesty in any form.


13 posted on 04/23/2006 5:51:01 AM PDT by Racer1
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To: nj26
The Republican Party is a lot bigger than the Country Club types who rely on cheap labor. And the President doesn't stop to realize that if he and the Democrats/RINOs push ahead with amnesty, its bound to lead to disaster for the Party in November.

(Denny Crane: "I Don't Want To Socialize With A Pinko Liberal Democrat Commie. Say What You Like About Republicans. We Stick To Our Convictions. Even When We Know We're Dead Wrong.")

14 posted on 04/23/2006 5:51:25 AM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: nj26
No matter how furious the Republican base is over
Open borders
Illegal immigration
Eminent domain
Malpractice litigation
Government expansion
Expanding entitlement programs
Et al.!
And we are furious!

The Democrat Party is FAR WORSE and has NOTHING to offer. Note tagline.

And this is the bottom line:

9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George W. Bush!!!

15 posted on 04/23/2006 5:52:31 AM PDT by Savage Beast (The Democrat Party: Goneril and Regan on a national scale!)
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To: Savage Beast
Oh let the perpetual "woe is me" crowd on FR have their pity party.

It makes them feel good wallowing in constant negativity.

16 posted on 04/23/2006 5:58:19 AM PDT by Dane ("Mr. Gorbachev, tear down this wall" Ronald Reagan, 1987)
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To: manwiththehands

Rohrabacher is not "base." He's "margin."


17 posted on 04/23/2006 5:59:38 AM PDT by zook
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To: All

I notice the L.A. Times could hardly wait to get out the news of dissention among the ranks. Not much on the content of the visit or speech itself, only highlighting one disconcerted GOP who will sit out in order not to "embarrass" - however will give a loud soundbite before the event and before he hears what the President will announce.

Typical grandstanding and the phony press love it. Zip it up ROARbacker!

That said - it is too late for George Bush to back off his immigration position and I as an immigrant having to stand in line waiting to swear the Oath of Allegience, am losing my patience because I have done all the right things...and get treated like an illegal anyway.

It's the standard now - assume everyone is lying. I have never in my life had to dig so deep into my reserve of patience because my honesty and sincerity have been questioned over and over by different faces, new individuals, and while they are all polite, the suspicion is pervasive.

Having been a good citizen for years in this land, contributing employment taxes, property taxes, sales taxes, consumer spending...why am I now going through the "iffy" process. That should have been done years ago instead of letting a person live here unchallenged. Filing for citizenship should be a slam dunk. It's the way you've lived before filing which counts.

To do the right thing apparently is not enough these days.



18 posted on 04/23/2006 6:01:28 AM PDT by imintrouble
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To: KCRW
You will be responsible for the Democrats taking over power.

You had better come up with a new argument. That one will not work this year. How about Republicans listening to the people, who are not Republicans, who helped put them there. If ya'll lose it will be of you own making.

I am a conservative independent who has voted Republican out of choice, scare tactic politics will turn me off faster than anything.

Somewhere you got it in your mind that we had to vote Republican.

19 posted on 04/23/2006 6:03:52 AM PDT by Jarhead1957 (It's The Borders Stupid)
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To: nj26

President Bush appears to be part of the one world government and has sold out conservatives, the pubs will probalby come to their chosen end, an affiliate of the communist conspirsy to destroy American sovereignty and nationalist patriotism.
Is their really a difference between the communist left and the pubs?


20 posted on 04/23/2006 6:04:43 AM PDT by ohhhh (...every tongue should confess that Jesus Christ is Lord, to the glory of God the Father.)
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To: nj26

Am I the only one who heard the President say NO AMNESTY?


21 posted on 04/23/2006 6:06:23 AM PDT by mathluv (Bushbot, Snowflake, Dittohead ---- Bring it on!!!)
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To: KCRW
You and tons of folks like you.

It's not just Bush, it is RINOs at large.  Pushing the party to the center is revolting to many.  Additionally, much of the nonsense going on in state houses are going to have implications at the federal level.  Reverse 'coattails' if you will.
22 posted on 04/23/2006 6:06:29 AM PDT by quantim (If the Constitution were perfect, it wouldn't have included the Senate.)
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To: imintrouble
Your name is correct. You are in trouble. It shouldn't be that way, but that's the way it is. Forty years of feckless leadership in this country (with no end in sight) is the reason why.
23 posted on 04/23/2006 6:08:26 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: KCRW

Don't you think the response to Bill Clinton was the takeover of the house and senate ? The president's blindness to voters wishes isn't just his. If he has a plan it doesn't show, if the party has a plan I fail to see it. They all seem to think if they take enough punches the liberals will wear themselves out. It just looks like they're spineless trying to go whichever way the wind blows. I would say it looks like the chicken little media is winning hands down.


24 posted on 04/23/2006 6:08:47 AM PDT by eddie2 (we're being tested)
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To: nj26

Haircut Boy

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1153035/posts


25 posted on 04/23/2006 6:11:44 AM PDT by Diddle E. Squat
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To: cripplecreek
We kept up our end of the bargain for putting them in power to begin with, it's time they kept up their end.

Well said.

26 posted on 04/23/2006 6:11:49 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: nj26

Why treat anything excreted by the Left Angeles Times as valid?

Aside from the Hate AMerica NYT there can hardly be a worse source for anything fair or balanced.

No matter what the President does,he's a goner according to these leftist slimeballs.

What "friend of America" posted this?


27 posted on 04/23/2006 6:12:36 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: DB

I agree


28 posted on 04/23/2006 6:18:08 AM PDT by ConservativeMan55 (DON'T FIRE UNTIL YOU SEE THE WHITES OF THE CURTAINS THEY ARE WEARING ON THEIR HEADS !)
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To: Racer1

You won't get that choice- of whether or not a person running, supports amnesty or not.

Right now, the borders need to be closed. That is the only thing that will be dealt with right now. The decision on what to do with 12 million illegal aliens will not be dealt with until later or perhaps never.

Ronald Reagan, a hero to many around here, suffered thru the same insults, the same hatred, and the threats that George Bush is going thru right now. Any President, Congressman and Senator, attempting to deal with the illegal aliens already in this county will go thru the same thing that happened to Ronald Reagan and is happening to George Bush.

Why do you think that Clinton never bothered to deal with illegal aliens? Because the debate is so heated, that the issue is too hot to touch.

I want leaders who are willing to deal with the issue. I don't want leaders that will run scared at the first site of dissent. George Bush has the courage to take the heat, that is why we elected him.

First things first, we need to get the borders closed. Whether it be a wall or 25,000 national guardsmen at the border- I will support these moves. We need to get the people that we elected to support closing the border first.

Then we need these leaders to be willing to take the heat on what to do with 12 million illegal aliens already in the county. There is no easy answer when dealing with these 12 million people. Rounding up and deporting 12 million people is nearly impossible and it certainaly will not happen before November. The decisions on what to do with these 12 million people will not be decided by November either.

Fixing this problem will take years. There will be many steps involved in fixing this problem.

Step #1- close the border!


29 posted on 04/23/2006 6:18:41 AM PDT by KCRW
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To: KCRW
Actually, you will be responsible for the 2006 elections. You and tons of folks like you.

That sounds nice, but in practical terms we both know that's not true. The actions of the GOP politicians currently in power will energize - or deflate - the base. How the White House and Congress act will play a huge role in determining whether the GOP retains or loses power this fall.

30 posted on 04/23/2006 6:19:41 AM PDT by NittanyLion
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To: Savage Beast
9/11 was never repeated--thanks to President George W. Bush!!!

So what? He is bankrupting our country and allowing it to be invaded at the same time.

33 posted on 04/23/2006 6:26:24 AM PDT by nygoose
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To: CBart95

All I know is this... as a conservative voter, I am mad as hell about Bush's amnesty/guest worker plan, and I'm not afraid to post articles about it or express that opinion.

When conservatives are told to STFU because they won't swallow the RINO line, it's a sad day at FR.


34 posted on 04/23/2006 6:30:21 AM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26
When conservatives are told to STFU because they won't swallow the RINO line, it's a sad day at FR.

That bears repeating.

35 posted on 04/23/2006 6:33:28 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: nygoose

George Bush is bankrupting this country?

Americans are bankrupting this country. Individiually, Americans are 9 trillion dollars in personal debt. Americans love to borrow money for things they don't need. Americans love their "stuff". Talk about passing debt on to the next generation!!!!!!!! How will our children ever survive the personal debt we have passed on to them?


36 posted on 04/23/2006 6:33:44 AM PDT by KCRW
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To: KCRW

LOL I nearly replied to the previous poster that there are those who will blame US instead of the President. I didn't have to wait long!
Sorry, that dog won't hunt. I'm not to blame for stupid things our govt does, and I could just as easily say that those who insist on voting Republican no matter what they do are responsible for illegal immigration.
susie


37 posted on 04/23/2006 6:34:17 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: nj26
They don't realize how complicated this issue is.

Why is that acedemics and politicians always see things in shades of gray? The issue is not complicated.



38 posted on 04/23/2006 6:35:23 AM PDT by x1stcav (Illegals go home! I'll mow the damned lawn myself!)
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To: KCRW
Americans love to borrow money for things they don't need.

Greedy things! That money should be going to subsidize more illegal aliens.

39 posted on 04/23/2006 6:36:01 AM PDT by Mojave
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To: x1stcav

Claiming this issue is "complicated" is their way of obscuring the implementation of a practical solution (i.e. the fence.)


40 posted on 04/23/2006 6:36:32 AM PDT by nj26
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To: VOYAGER
Bush is as big a BS'er as scumbag Clinton!

Decaf is your friend. Try some before your next post.

41 posted on 04/23/2006 6:36:39 AM PDT by Right_in_Virginia
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To: KCRW
You will be responsible for the Democrats taking over power.

No, the Republicans in the Congress, the Senate, and the White House will be responsible for the Democrats taking over Congress because the Republicans chose not to do their jobs. You can talk about how bad things will be under Democrat party rule, and certainly they will be. But both parties want to give the country away to the invaders. The Democrats won't listen/ Perhaps if the Republicans lose their majority and have to listen to Speaker Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Reid for two years, they'll get the message.

I'm tired of this "elect a Democrat" threat the RINOs always use. My vote is not an entitlement program!

42 posted on 04/23/2006 6:40:13 AM PDT by Uncle Vlad
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To: KCRW
There is no easy answer when dealing with these 12 million people. Rounding up and deporting 12 million people is nearly impossible

I realize there is a theory that if something is repeated over and over long enough, people will believe it. However, the answer really is pretty easy:

Strictly enforce laws against hiring illegal aliens.
Stop giving them social services (except emergency care--after which they are deported back to their home country)
Pass a law that no one illegally in this country after a certain date (and make it soon) can EVER get a green card or legally come in the United States.

Most would self deport. Then we can clean up the rest fairly easily. BTW I agree about securing the border as well.

susie

43 posted on 04/23/2006 6:41:18 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: nj26
President Bush and American tax payers had better wake up and get with the program or we have had it as a nation. Illegal aliens are draining billions of dollars in public aid, scholarships and assistance that should be going to American citizens. That money is coming directly out of OUR pockets. Those jobs are jobs our citizens and their families are being denied.

Americans had better fight for secure borders and an end to this FLOOD of illegal aliens and fight it fast and hard or we are going to become a third-class, third-world country.

As for the politicians; the President deserves to have people not show up in protest because as much as I respect him, he is W R O N G on this issue.

This is what we can do: SEND the President and Washington, DC a message; vote out those who are soft on or who refuse to deal with the problem or who have actually come out in support of ILLEGALS over American citizens, and vote FOR those candidates who promise to put an end to this travesty.

Their OWN positions in government are the only thing the politicians from both parties care about, NOT the American citizen/tax payer. If enough of THEM lose THEIR jobs over the issue of illegal aliens, then and ONLY then will they take the issue seriously and effectivly deal with the problem. Until then they will continue to lie and play verbal gymnastics around the issue with us Americans who are having to foot the bill.

44 posted on 04/23/2006 6:42:01 AM PDT by Jmouse007 (Convert, Slavery or Death = "Islam the Religion of Peace tm" "It's time to play Cowboys and Muslims")
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To: nj26

Guest Worker and Amnesty are two different items. It makes great soundbite but is intellectually dishonest. We need workers for labor intensive industry and anyone who denies it is kidding themselves. Guest Worker is only amnesty when President Bush proposes it.

Pray for W and Our Freedom Fighters


45 posted on 04/23/2006 6:44:14 AM PDT by bray (Racists for Rice '08)
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To: bray

If we allow people who have been here illegally to become guest workers (and in fact eventually get citizenship) you can call whatever you like, but it IS amnesty.
susie


46 posted on 04/23/2006 6:45:58 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: nj26

The thing about your disappointment with Bush is how willing you and the crybabies are to embrace monsters like Hitlery in order to make what you sometime loyalists think is a fix for cryin' out loud.

And in your crowd of "faithfuls" comes that brand of "Inside -Texas" know-it-alls who have this rich-boys notion that only they are hip to the mafia style "Tex-Mex" Connection.

But the bottom line main musical movement is "BETRAYAL OF YOUR PRESIDENT IN TIME OF WAR BABY" and all your lietmotiffs and demurrers are meaningless.

The USA is not great because of fairweather citizens.


47 posted on 04/23/2006 6:46:24 AM PDT by CBart95
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To: bray

"Guest Worker and Amnesty are two different items. It makes great soundbite but is intellectually dishonest."

I agree, but it's the President and the amnesty proponents that have been intellectually dishonest.

A "real" guest worker program would allow foreigners to apply for guest worker status FROM THEIR HOME COUNTRIES.

A "fake" guest worker program involves a slap-on-the-wrist fine for illegal immigrants ALREADY IN THIS COUNTRY, and then allows them to stay as "guest workers" (REWARDING LAWBREAKERS.)

Bush and the Senate RINOs have been blurring this distinction to push through an amnesty bill disguised as a "guest worker" plan.


48 posted on 04/23/2006 6:46:47 AM PDT by nj26
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To: nj26
Blacks - Welfare Socialists

Mexicans - Welfare Socialists

Puerto Ricans - Welfare Socialists

Feminists - Liberals

Democrats - Liberals

Unions - Liberals

Eco-Nuts - Communists

Soccer Moms - Liberals

Jews - Liberals

Catholics - Democrats / Liberals

Illegals - Illegal Democrat Voters

College A-holes - Liberals / Socialists / Communists

When conservatives stay home this fall to protest the absolute depravity of their elected Republicans the Democrats will coast to victory.

No contributions!!!!!!

49 posted on 04/23/2006 6:48:32 AM PDT by Doc Savage (Of all these things you can be sure, only love...will endure.......................)
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To: CBart95

In 2 years of posting at FR, I have NEVER suggested that anybody vote for Hillary.

I am a patriotic conservative that supports our military, and I would never vote for a Democrat like Hillary.

What I have warned is that many CONSERVATIVES are going to start staying home or voting third party if the GOP betrays its conservative principles.

By the way, I reported you for posting abuse given your prior post with a personal attack.


50 posted on 04/23/2006 6:49:23 AM PDT by nj26
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