CA: Life without 50,000 illegal immigrants (Ventura County)

Ventura Star ^ | 4.23.06 | Tom Kisken

[FastCoyote]

"Everyone who uses us will see if they need us or not," said Alvaro Rojas,"

Don't let el puerto hit you in los nalgas on the way out, Alvaro. I think the strike will be a big ho hum.

[stevio]

That's the way I think it should be done too. Save the money, we don't need a fence.

[raybbr]

The benefit of spreading the immigration around versus having the majority of our immigrants being from Mexico is that they will quickly assimilate into the American culture.

I have been saying the same thing for years. Why only hispanics?

Let's ask GW.

THE "NEW AMERICAN"

We are now one of the largest Spanish-speaking nations in the world. We're a major source of Latin music, journalism and culture.

Just go to Miami, or San Antonio, Los Angeles, Chicago or West New York, New Jersey ... and close your eyes and listen. You could just as easily be in Santo Domingo or Santiago, or San Miguel de Allende.

For years our nation has debated this change -- some have praised it and others have resented it. By nominating me, my party has made a choice to welcome the new America.

As I speak, we are celebrating the success of democracy in Mexico.

George Bush from a campaign speech in Miami, August 2000.

You can read the speech here.

Here is an excerpt of a good critique of that speech:

In equating our intimate historic bonds to our mother country and to Canada with our ties to Mexico, W. shows a staggering ignorance of the civilizational facts of life. The reason we are so close to Britain and Canada is that we share with them a common historical culture, language, literature, and legal system, as well as similar standards of behavior, expectations of public officials, and so on. My Bush Epiphany By Lawrence Auster

[muawiyah]

None of my ancestors were crazy people, and the few who came here on prison barges were simply POWs taken in an English military campaign against the Scots.

Now, when you get to the Welshmen, there were a few lead coffin-cover recyclers in the mix, but just a few ~ nothing to get excited about! .... That's it, EARLY environmentalists ~ that's the ticket!

[Mike Darancette]

All you have to do is round up and deport fewer than a million,

It's even easier than that, just have one or two high profile raids a week including employers doing the perp walk. Then have the head of ICE come on TV to ask the public to help in finding illegal employers.

This will scare those that hire illegals so bad that the jobs will virtually dry up overnight.

Then you can offer free transportation to the point of entry of their choice.

[Mike Darancette]

None of my ancestors were crazy people

Some of mine were run out of England after Charles II had one of them hung, drawn and quartered then had his head decorate the min gate.

It was time to become an immigrant at that time there were no illegals.

[dalereed]

"That's the way I think it should be done too. Save the money, we don't need a fence."

We need the fence from the pacific to the gulf in order to free up 2/3 of the border patrol to go after employers.

[bordergal]

That's funny. I know a farmer down the street from me who seems to make it work every year.

[jerry639]

Or they'd develop machines that can help harvest citrus or even strawberries by shaking the fruit free.

Author of this article should get out of the office more. Then he would realize strawberries don't grow on trees. Pick a lot of strawberries when a kid sure didn't get $10 and hour. Most I was ever paid was 6 cents a box.

[FreedomPoster]

Excellent point.

[jerry639]

I still raise a good size garden every year. Anything you can't remember about gardening just ask.
Won't be needing any lettuce or tomatoes here. Have lettuce already growing. Tomato plants are ready as soon as the ground dries from our latest heavy rain. White half-runner beans will be planted 1st week in May. We have strawberry patch close where you pick your own so we will be visiting those before long. Will buy sweet corn from local farmer. About 4 to 6 bushel will do me the rest of the year. We fill up 2 freezers each year with veggies and venison. Can our own tomatoes and juice. Grapes will be ready later own. Make our own jelly.
Sure don't believe we will be doing without if all the illegals go home or are sent home.
I love to mow. Have 2 riders and 2 trim mowers. Won't be needing them for that work either.

[NormsRevenge]

all my lawn is barked over,, :-)

I have a niece that has veggies about 6 months a year and plenty of them.

I stopped growing stuff years ago cuz we had a lot of cats taat fashioned themselves "gardeners" too. ;-)

[jerry639]

Well written post with which I agree.

[ARealMothersSonForever]

The Mexican government is doing what the English did in the 1600's and the 1700's. They emptied their jails, poor houses, insane asylums and put them on ships bound for the U.S. That reduced their social costs of government and that is exactly what the country of Mexico is doing at this time. A poverty stricken, corrupt, elitist governing, socialist inclined country deliberately pushing their people across the border.

This is why we need to adjust our policies toward Mexico. Regime change in Mexico NOW. Until Mexico can show effective measures at border control- on their side -we should impose harsh economic sanctions. Requesting Americans to give up liberties is misguided. We must demand accountability of the USCIS, CBP, and ICE. But after we demand accountability of Mexico first. This is a Mexican government supported, encouraged, and subsidized wave of immigration. American interests must be placed ahead of Mexican interests.

[Ben Ficklin]

One?

Just out of curiosity, do you live on the border?

[Politicalmom]

I am trying a new system called a "Topsy Turvy". I bought 2 stands that each have 4 hooks. I am growing 4 tomatoes, a cuke, a pepper, a zucchini and a yellow squash upside down.
No staking or weeding, just watering, fertilizing and harvesting. Still growing some in my raised beds, but if these really do well, I will get several more next year. I have squash that should be ready in week or two, and my tomatoes are blossoming. :)

[Chewbacca]

If you do away with illegal produce pickers, then industry with develope an automated machine that will work cheaper, longer hours, needing no sleep or lunch breaks that can do the job better.

[VOA]

Regime change in Mexico NOW.

The USA PROBABLY should have annexed Mexico as part of the Mexican-American
War.
But, I suspect that Polk and our commanders said "why would we want
to take over a place that's been defeated TWICE by basically
large special-ops attacks?"

I was suprised that PBS's show on the Mexican-American War emphasized how
the USA forces landed and marched up the same road that Cortes took...
and they still couldn't stop the USA forces of less than 10,000 from
taking Mexico City (over a million population).

[VOA]

If you do away with illegal produce pickers, then industry with
develope an automated machine

Yes indeed.
The last months with the protest marches has shown me why the Agricultural
Engineering department (at the Big 12 school I attended) was such
a moribund affair.
We were too busy importing a cheap, de facto slave population for
decades and thus didn't have time/money to really automate agriculture
as we should have.

[Serenissima Venezia]

Of course, this assumes that ILLEGAL workers could not be replaced with the necessary number of LEGAL immigrants from Ukraine, Thailand, Ethiopia, Italy, etc.

Exactly. And since the liberal like to whine about things not being 'fair', having legal immigrants from many different nations would be fair to all.