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NJ Bill To Ban More Rifles as "Assault Rifles" (My Title)
New Jersey State Assembly ^ | JANUARY 30, 2006 | Reed Guiscora

Posted on 04/24/2006 7:00:37 AM PDT by ZULU

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To: spanalot
When the original bill was passed, there were ZERO deaths attributed to "Assault Rifles".

simple. expand the definition of "assault weapon" until it includes weapons that do have deaths attributed to them. it'd be quite easy to say that in the last 75-100 years, millions of deaths were caused by springfields and garands. of course they won't tell you that 99.999% of those deaths were war casulties..
41 posted on 04/24/2006 12:14:13 PM PDT by absolootezer0 ("My God, why have you forsaken us.. no wait, its the liberals that have forsaken you... my bad")
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To: ZULU

;-)


42 posted on 04/24/2006 12:22:29 PM PDT by Sam Cree (Delicacy, precision, force)
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To: Joe 6-pack

He might have a need for guards but he sure doen't have a need for a comb .


43 posted on 04/24/2006 1:46:07 PM PDT by Renegade
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To: ZULU

can't be "assault rifles" if they are not select-fire actions.


44 posted on 04/24/2006 5:25:31 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: King Prout

If it looks like an assualt rifle, it is an assault rifle...< / incredibly moronic media spoksperson >


45 posted on 04/24/2006 5:27:20 PM PDT by sit-rep (http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: sit-rep
If it looks like an assualt rifle, it is an assault rifle...[/incredibly moronic media spoksperson]

well, this LOOKS like an assault-rifle, but it is a semi-auto only shotgun...

46 posted on 04/24/2006 5:36:15 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: King Prout

And a good looking one at that... what's that, a ten round mag?


47 posted on 04/24/2006 5:47:43 PM PDT by sit-rep (http://trulineint.com/latestposts.asp)
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To: sit-rep; Spktyr; Eaker
five round detachable box magazine. iirc, military versions have the option of an eight round mag.

it is essentially a gas-operated semi-auto AK47 shotgun in 12ga, 20ga, and .410caliber

go to this site and check it out.

The Russian-American Armory Company is the current importer. Thank the LORD they came along - prices on Saiga shotguns were going through the roof at auctions, due to increasing rarity.

a detailed article on the Saiga-12 exists in wikipedia, copied from a dedicated AK review website iirc.

some happy folks among the FR banglisters have these weapons, and have endorsed them as generally excellent field and home-defense guns

48 posted on 04/24/2006 6:08:30 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: King Prout

And, as you know, I'm one of those happy folks.

Saiga forums: forum.saiga-12.com

They come with 5 round magazines, but you can get 8 rounders on the gray market, and there are US-made 10 rounders in development by at least three different entities. There's also talk about converting some mags to be drum feed mechanisms.

There's a small but growing aftermarket for these things. I love mine - the reliability of the AK mechanism in a mag-fed shotgun - best of all worlds.


49 posted on 04/24/2006 6:14:59 PM PDT by Spktyr (Overwhelmingly superior firepower and the willingness to use it is the only proven peace solution.)
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To: Spktyr

I shall be joining that happy group inside a month, now that they are once again available in a working-man's pricerange.


50 posted on 04/24/2006 6:21:02 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: King Prout
working-man's pricerange.

I am a working man but apparently have too many wife and kids.

If you buy two and give me one then we both will be happy!

;< )

51 posted on 04/24/2006 6:27:50 PM PDT by Eaker (My Wife Rocks! - Travis McGee is my friend. “You’ll never need a gun, until you need it badly.”)
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To: ChiefJayStrongbow

The AWB in NJ occured before Clinton's AWB. It is a lot more stringent than the fed version. Magazine capacity more than 15 rounds (including blocked ones) are illegal, the M-1 WWII carbine is illegal, having a folding stock with no weapon in it is illegal, having parts of a large capacity magazine is illegal, having parts for any of the forbidden weapons are illegal, a 15 round mag where a LEO can force in a 16th round and despite the overloaded magazine cannot function in the weapon can constitutes a violation (numerous online vendors refuse to sell 15 round mags to NJ). NJ LEO are instructed to seize any weapon that looks AW like, and let the courts sort it out. Many NJ LEO are not familiar with firearm laws. No matter what the fed/state laws say, in NJ, the police will seize it first and then let the lawyers and judges sort it out. If you inadvertly violate the rules, most of the time the AG gives NJ owners (with no criminal records) two options - face a trial and if found guilty face the maximum fine and prison sentence or plead guilty to a lesser charge with no jail time, but you will lose your gun collection and right to own firearms.


52 posted on 04/24/2006 7:11:44 PM PDT by Fee (`+Great powers never let minor allies dictate who, where and when they must fight.)
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To: Fee

I'm so glad I'm moving out of NJ. CT isn't that great from a gun law perspective, but it is much better than NJ!


53 posted on 04/25/2006 8:52:28 AM PDT by jjm2111 (http://www.purveryors-of-truth.blogspot.com)
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To: Eaker

hrmn...
hrmn...
talkt to me about that in about two months, ok?
seriously.


54 posted on 04/25/2006 1:47:01 PM PDT by King Prout (The UN 1967 Outer Space Treaty is bad for America and bad for humanity - DUMP IT.)
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To: John Geyer
I wish that Corzine would get mugged, it may change his view on this

Well...you can only hope one of his body guards does it then.

55 posted on 04/25/2006 1:49:48 PM PDT by Osage Orange (The old/liberal/socialist media is the most ruthless and destructive enemy of this country.)
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