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Bush Speech in Irvine - Live
KFMB Radio ^ | April 24, 2006 | n/a

Posted on 04/24/2006 9:23:15 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver

His speech started about 8 minutes ago. You can listen live at http://760kfmb.com/listen_live/


TOPICS: News/Current Events; US: California
KEYWORDS: aliens; borderlist; bush43; calvisit; disrespectful; donnerparty; fairweatherfans; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; irvine; itsallaboutohio; patplants; presidentbush; speech; supercons; unappeasables; usualsuspects
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To: clawrence3
No code, he accidentally kept his finger on the shift button.
841 posted on 04/25/2006 4:02:46 PM PDT by mthom
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To: clawrence3
Moments after I made that last post I made a correction to it. Of course I have posted many times my full opinion on it and you know that because you were on those threads. You are incapable of honesty aren't you?

No compromise! No concessions! No quarter!

Secure the border!

Crack down on employers!
(The dog-and-pony show catch-and-release won't cut it either.)

No anchor babies!

Deport illegal aliens.
(Not mass deportation, deportation on contact. Is it too much to expect taxpayer funded government authorities to enforce the laws on the books?

Bring in immigrants who have been waiting for years with papers in hand!

Nothing else will do.

842 posted on 04/25/2006 4:15:41 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: mthom
Bush has always said that the path to citizenship should start at the end of the line.

Wrong. Bush has always defined amnesty as any reform that has a path to citizenship written into it. He is now endorsing it.

I make an accurate statement. You reply with who-the-heck-knows-what.

843 posted on 04/25/2006 6:12:10 PM PDT by FreeReign
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To: mdbob
30ish lawyers in my experience think they have the world by the scrotum.

The world, being the generally ugly place that it is, has laid out for our observation a history rife with examples of prosperous, "immortal" societies, that somehow managed to grow so topheavy that they fell prey to adversaries with that classical "lean, hungry look", who chewed away at their footings until they collapsed.

Not to wax Biblical, but the phrase "feet of clay" springs to mind.

So, if this country ever experiences the sort of outcome that, well, all similar cultures have experienced as an end point, then it is almost inevitable that history will repeat itself on every level. The "wealthiest" among us will be those who can work with their hands and their wits. The "poorest" and most pathetically destitute will be those whose "life skills" have amounted to little more than the abiltiy to use a powerful statist superstructure -- leveraged with a pencil (or wordprocessor) and reams of paper -- as a mechanism for screwing over "the unsophisticated" (i.e., those who "work with their hands").

Feel sorry for the lawyers. Their unbounded arrogance is not an asset. In my previous line of work I enountered many of them, and they almost universally shared certain traits. Foremost among them was the idea that being able to pull the rug out from under others by means of ink, paper, and government, was something to be proud of.

In the end, I think they all likely reach a point where they realize that it's lonely at the bottom.

For those around when/if this culture reaches the destination it so eagerly strains to obtain... I don't even want to think about it. I'm just glad that I have no further dealings with the breed, and even moreso, that I know how to put food on the table and keep the house warm.

Should I myself live to experience such an environment (and again, history and "the numbers" suggest that it's just a question of time), and a lawyer comes scratching on my door asking for help, the very first thing he'll receive from me -- immediately after receiving my assurance that yes, I can help him -- will be my non-negotiable retainer and fee structure.

My prices will be truly breathtaking -- but then, they're used to that sort of thing, aren't they? :)

(There -- I knew I'd be able to squeeze a smiley into this post if I tried hard enough!)

844 posted on 04/25/2006 6:51:46 PM PDT by Don Joe (We've traded the Rule of Law for the Law of Rule.)
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To: markman46

so I take it you're in the prudential building at Park Place. I'm in the smaller 6 story building next to Houstons. I have a window on the Jamboree side and saw the whole thing.


845 posted on 04/25/2006 10:35:16 PM PDT by superfluousdude
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To: nicmarlo

So, you suspect the poll might not be credible? Other polls, though not as supportive of the guest worker idea, show no overwhelming opposition to the idea. CNN finds 77% support the idea. Do you really think they're off by over 25% in gaging the opinion of American adults? I don't think so.


846 posted on 04/26/2006 5:27:43 AM PDT by zook
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To: superfluousdude

That I am, on the 7th floor facing the Condo's, so i'll I caught was the limo and SS flashing by, missed AF1 landing as well :-(


847 posted on 04/26/2006 5:58:39 AM PDT by markman46 (engage brain before using keyboard!!!)
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To: zook

In my history of posting on FR, I've never thought any poll put out by CNN is credible.

This is is no different, just because you happen to like the results.


848 posted on 04/26/2006 6:21:20 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo

"In my history of posting on FR, I've never thought any poll put out by CNN is credible. "

But don't you think you need to explain why? I mean, beyond just the fact that you don't like the results? I'll grant you that the results would be different, for example, if they polled only likely voters. But even then I'll bet it would be something like a 50-50 split. The key point is that the overall pattern of polling suggests that Americans are not as "all fired up" against the President's position as some posters are suggesting here.


849 posted on 04/26/2006 6:27:47 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
If I need to explain to why a CNN poll isn't credible, it is you who has the agenda which needs to be explained.
850 posted on 04/26/2006 7:08:04 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo

That's a copout. It's one thing to be critical, but quite another to be rationally critical.


851 posted on 04/26/2006 7:19:45 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
quite another to be rationally critical.

That's correct. And you aren't.

Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News by Bernard Goldberg

852 posted on 04/26/2006 7:26:54 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo

Why, I'm starting to think that you're just one of those angry ignorants that litters up Free Republic. You can't offer a single explanation as to why poll after poll fails to support the idea that there's some kind of national backlash against Bush's proposal. All you can do is charge media bias. Of course there is media bias. But there are also principals of opinion polling that can be rationally addressed, if one knows how.


853 posted on 04/26/2006 7:40:35 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
You can't offer a single explanation as to why poll after poll fails to support the idea that there's some kind of national backlash against Bush's proposal.

That's laughable. Even Hitlery is joining the bandwagon of saying there needs to be a wall along the border....she the poll-watcher of the extreme.

854 posted on 04/26/2006 7:45:53 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: zook
"If one knows how"....

But you don't. You make personal attacks yet think that's somehow "rational" or makes you the one who's not "ignorant."

855 posted on 04/26/2006 7:47:48 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo

And they all favor a guest worker program as well.

As far as the fence goes, I'll bet you a dollar that no "fence" bill gets through Congress.


856 posted on 04/26/2006 7:49:02 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
But whether or not the fence actually gets built isn't even why Hitlery (or even Howard Dean) have recently spoke out about border enforcement. The point I made, as you well know, if America was solidly behind the President's plan, as you claim, in "poll after poll," Hitlery and Dean would have kept their mouths shut.

It is well known that the media ALWAYS chooses words and asks questions in such a way that results are skewed to their bias. It is disingenuous of you to pretend this CNN poll is any different, just because you agree with the skewed results.

857 posted on 04/26/2006 7:57:21 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: nicmarlo

"...solidly behind the President's plan, as you claim, in "poll after poll," "

You didn't read right. I said poll after poll fails to show strong opposition to Bush's plan. Of course questions *can* be asked in a way that prompts a particular response, but one must offer evidence that that actually occured.

And, note that I never claimed that *every* poll backed Bush. At least one recent poll showed majority support for building a fence. So, you see, if you're going to claim polling bias, to be consistent you'd also have to attack the polls you like.


858 posted on 04/26/2006 8:02:53 AM PDT by zook
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To: zook
Apparently, it is you who must be having difficulty reading. I said "if America was solidly behind the President's plan, as you claim, in "poll after poll," Hitlery and Dean would have kept their mouths shut." That is a logical response to your comment that "poll after poll fails to show strong opposition to Bush's plan." If "poll after poll" was favorable toward the President's plan, if the majority of Americans were pro-OBL like you, Hitlery and Dean wouldn't have dared to appeal to those who want a more conservative approach. They both go wherever the wind is blowing.

note that I never claimed that *every* poll backed Bush. At least one recent poll showed majority support for building a fence. So, you see, if you're going to claim polling bias, to be consistent you'd also have to attack the polls you like. Nice try. But I didn't say "every" nor did I indicate you had. But, now that you bring it up, your choice of words ("poll after poll" and "at least one") is indicative of your own bias. And I am consistently against media bias, as is consistently displayed with CNN, cBS, and the other alphabet channels. That you suggest they have miraculously changed their stripes is....dishonest.

859 posted on 04/26/2006 8:30:34 AM PDT by nicmarlo (Bush is the Best President Ever. Rah. Rah.)
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To: zook
Why do you expect others to work and live off wages you won't or can't?

If the wages are there, there will be workers to do the job either Americans or those who are hear legally.

If the wages are not there then let the job go undone. When the need or demand gets high enough then the wages and profits will show up and so will the workers.

The market place should set the wages just like it should set the price of the products.

It is wrong for the federal government to interfere in the market arena and drive down the wages of working people of all races by providing employers with illegal cheap labor who's benefits package and wage subsides is being paid for by American citizens.

860 posted on 04/26/2006 9:25:17 AM PDT by mississippi red-neck (You will never win the war on terrorism by fighting it in Iraq and funding it in the West Bank.)
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