Posted on 04/24/2006 9:23:15 AM PDT by DumpsterDiver
No compromise! No concessions! No quarter!
Secure the border!
Crack down on employers!
(The dog-and-pony show catch-and-release won't cut it either.)
No anchor babies!
Deport illegal aliens.
(Not mass deportation, deportation on contact. Is it too much to expect taxpayer funded government authorities to enforce the laws on the books?
Bring in immigrants who have been waiting for years with papers in hand!
Nothing else will do.
Wrong. Bush has always defined amnesty as any reform that has a path to citizenship written into it. He is now endorsing it.
I make an accurate statement. You reply with who-the-heck-knows-what.
The world, being the generally ugly place that it is, has laid out for our observation a history rife with examples of prosperous, "immortal" societies, that somehow managed to grow so topheavy that they fell prey to adversaries with that classical "lean, hungry look", who chewed away at their footings until they collapsed.
Not to wax Biblical, but the phrase "feet of clay" springs to mind.
So, if this country ever experiences the sort of outcome that, well, all similar cultures have experienced as an end point, then it is almost inevitable that history will repeat itself on every level. The "wealthiest" among us will be those who can work with their hands and their wits. The "poorest" and most pathetically destitute will be those whose "life skills" have amounted to little more than the abiltiy to use a powerful statist superstructure -- leveraged with a pencil (or wordprocessor) and reams of paper -- as a mechanism for screwing over "the unsophisticated" (i.e., those who "work with their hands").
Feel sorry for the lawyers. Their unbounded arrogance is not an asset. In my previous line of work I enountered many of them, and they almost universally shared certain traits. Foremost among them was the idea that being able to pull the rug out from under others by means of ink, paper, and government, was something to be proud of.
In the end, I think they all likely reach a point where they realize that it's lonely at the bottom.
For those around when/if this culture reaches the destination it so eagerly strains to obtain... I don't even want to think about it. I'm just glad that I have no further dealings with the breed, and even moreso, that I know how to put food on the table and keep the house warm.
Should I myself live to experience such an environment (and again, history and "the numbers" suggest that it's just a question of time), and a lawyer comes scratching on my door asking for help, the very first thing he'll receive from me -- immediately after receiving my assurance that yes, I can help him -- will be my non-negotiable retainer and fee structure.
My prices will be truly breathtaking -- but then, they're used to that sort of thing, aren't they? :)
(There -- I knew I'd be able to squeeze a smiley into this post if I tried hard enough!)
so I take it you're in the prudential building at Park Place. I'm in the smaller 6 story building next to Houstons. I have a window on the Jamboree side and saw the whole thing.
So, you suspect the poll might not be credible? Other polls, though not as supportive of the guest worker idea, show no overwhelming opposition to the idea. CNN finds 77% support the idea. Do you really think they're off by over 25% in gaging the opinion of American adults? I don't think so.
That I am, on the 7th floor facing the Condo's, so i'll I caught was the limo and SS flashing by, missed AF1 landing as well :-(
In my history of posting on FR, I've never thought any poll put out by CNN is credible.
This is is no different, just because you happen to like the results.
"In my history of posting on FR, I've never thought any poll put out by CNN is credible. "
But don't you think you need to explain why? I mean, beyond just the fact that you don't like the results? I'll grant you that the results would be different, for example, if they polled only likely voters. But even then I'll bet it would be something like a 50-50 split. The key point is that the overall pattern of polling suggests that Americans are not as "all fired up" against the President's position as some posters are suggesting here.
That's a copout. It's one thing to be critical, but quite another to be rationally critical.
That's correct. And you aren't.
Bias: A CBS Insider Exposes How the Media Distort the News by Bernard Goldberg
Why, I'm starting to think that you're just one of those angry ignorants that litters up Free Republic. You can't offer a single explanation as to why poll after poll fails to support the idea that there's some kind of national backlash against Bush's proposal. All you can do is charge media bias. Of course there is media bias. But there are also principals of opinion polling that can be rationally addressed, if one knows how.
That's laughable. Even Hitlery is joining the bandwagon of saying there needs to be a wall along the border....she the poll-watcher of the extreme.
But you don't. You make personal attacks yet think that's somehow "rational" or makes you the one who's not "ignorant."
And they all favor a guest worker program as well.
As far as the fence goes, I'll bet you a dollar that no "fence" bill gets through Congress.
It is well known that the media ALWAYS chooses words and asks questions in such a way that results are skewed to their bias. It is disingenuous of you to pretend this CNN poll is any different, just because you agree with the skewed results.
"...solidly behind the President's plan, as you claim, in "poll after poll," "
You didn't read right. I said poll after poll fails to show strong opposition to Bush's plan. Of course questions *can* be asked in a way that prompts a particular response, but one must offer evidence that that actually occured.
And, note that I never claimed that *every* poll backed Bush. At least one recent poll showed majority support for building a fence. So, you see, if you're going to claim polling bias, to be consistent you'd also have to attack the polls you like.
note that I never claimed that *every* poll backed Bush. At least one recent poll showed majority support for building a fence. So, you see, if you're going to claim polling bias, to be consistent you'd also have to attack the polls you like. Nice try. But I didn't say "every" nor did I indicate you had. But, now that you bring it up, your choice of words ("poll after poll" and "at least one") is indicative of your own bias. And I am consistently against media bias, as is consistently displayed with CNN, cBS, and the other alphabet channels. That you suggest they have miraculously changed their stripes is....dishonest.
If the wages are there, there will be workers to do the job either Americans or those who are hear legally.
If the wages are not there then let the job go undone. When the need or demand gets high enough then the wages and profits will show up and so will the workers.
The market place should set the wages just like it should set the price of the products.
It is wrong for the federal government to interfere in the market arena and drive down the wages of working people of all races by providing employers with illegal cheap labor who's benefits package and wage subsides is being paid for by American citizens.
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