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1999, 2000 Iraqi memos: Procurement of 50000 Aluminum Tubes That Can Be Used For URANIUM ENRICHMENT.
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | April 24 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 04/24/2006 9:45:15 AM PDT by jveritas

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To: jveritas

How does that compare with the Libya tubes, are they then same size excluding the mount at the bottom?


181 posted on 04/24/2006 6:47:55 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: usmcobra
How can tell from the picture? These boxes may not be a 4 ft H X 2 Ft W, but I will search what size were the Lybian Aluminum tubes.
182 posted on 04/24/2006 6:56:46 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

183 posted on 04/24/2006 7:16:45 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: jveritas; freema

a standard 2x4 is actually 1.5 inches by 3.5 inches(I checked)
16 times 3.5 equals 56 inches.

However if the crates were built in Libya with local supplies I don't have a clue what size the "2x4" is


184 posted on 04/24/2006 7:31:09 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: usmcobra
If this is the case then the Libyan tubes were much longer than the Iraqi tubes. However this does not mean anything, because there may not be a single standard size for the Aluminum tubes used for Uranium enrichment.
185 posted on 04/24/2006 7:54:17 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
"Pinging some others from that thread...."

Thanks Ernest, but I am already on eyespysomethings ping list so you can take me off your list so I don't get duplicates.

186 posted on 04/24/2006 8:09:48 PM PDT by Spunky ("Everyone has a freedom of choice, but not of consequences.")
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To: Zeppo

"OK, someone who has familiarity with armaments please comment on this: the aluminum tubes had an outer diameter of 81 mm, not an inner diameter of 81 mm. When armaments are being discussed in terms of their dimension (for example 105 mm tank ammunition or 122 mm artillery rocket launcher), wouldn't the meaningful dimension of the tube/barrel from which that round was launched be the inner diameter, and not the outer diameter? So, if the Iraqi intent was to use the tubes for such purposes, why isn't it described as a "74 mm rocket program"? Was the 81-mm program designation invented by the ISG, or was it used by the Iraqis?"

I don't know about the inside diameter vs the outside diameter as far as armaments standards. I am wondering about rockets vs missiles. I used to work at an airplane factory that also built drone missiles. These missiles used about the same thickness of sheet metal that we used for small airplanes. We used 1/16th inch thickness for the outer skins of most planes. If my calculations are correct, and I believe they are, this material is about double that. It is over 1/8th inch thick. Would rockets require that additional thickness?

I have used metal a little less thick than that when building much larger jets for Boeing (737 next generation).


187 posted on 04/24/2006 8:30:12 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: jveritas
---To tell you the truth, the more I read the ISG report, the more I think they did not finish the job ---

The 9/11 Report left many things open. No report has been conclusive. These documents continue to back up the Bush Admin, and the intelligence agencies of the member Nations of the UN Security Council that agreed.

188 posted on 04/24/2006 8:37:46 PM PDT by avacado
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To: michaelt

"What if the 81mm also refers to the inner diameter of the tube that is used to launch the rocket?"

Good question, but the document indicates that the 81mm is outside diameter with an inside diameter of 74mm with a thickness of 3.3 milimeters or a little over 1/8th inch. I haven't converted the inside and outside diameters to inches yet. Let me know if you want me to.



189 posted on 04/24/2006 8:38:51 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: Mo1; jveritas
Ping to news the MSM won't cover

NRO picked it up.

190 posted on 04/24/2006 8:39:26 PM PDT by BigSkyFreeper (There is no alternative to the GOP except varying degrees of insanity.)
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To: jveritas

I still think they are similiar in size and the ratio of length to width for whatever that is worth.

Perhaps there are some other specifications that may also point out additional similiarities like the copper or brass mounting flange on the bottom end of the Libya tubes. They appear to be bolted on in the picture and the tube appears to be capped on the top, with some sort of spring or wire connecting the two maybe a heating element.


191 posted on 04/24/2006 8:42:23 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: Fighting Irish

I hate that pic. Dang you to heck.


192 posted on 04/24/2006 8:48:24 PM PDT by bvw
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To: Zeppo; jveritas; All

"It is my understanding (but I can not quote a source off the top of my head) that no other components were found by the ISG to have been part of a procurement designed to produce either 81mm rockets, or tubes to launch rockets, and that therefore it is nothing more than idle speculation to claim that the tubes were intended for use in rocket or artillery launch applications..."

In case anyone is wondering, I have some approximations on converting mm to inches.

They are:
81mm = 3 3/16 inch
3.3mm = Just under 1/8th inch
74 mm = 2 7/8 inch
900mm = 35 inches

This is a very rough estimation, but should still be a little useful.


193 posted on 04/24/2006 8:52:25 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: usmcobra

Hammering it away, bit by bit?


194 posted on 04/24/2006 9:00:10 PM PDT by freema (Proud Marine FRiend, Mom, Aunt, Sister, Friend, Wife, Daughter, Niece)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach

"NB ALL TUBES ARE SUBJECTED TO CHEMICAL COATNG IONADIZATION PROCESS TO PREVENT AND SUSTAIN SCRATCHES AND CORROSIONS.
Why would you worry about these details if the aluminum was to be used for rockets?"

I can answer that one. If scratches or, even small dents occur, the fuel efficiency is greatly reduced. In other words, the rocket will not fly near as far on the same amount of fuel as a rocket that has zero scratches, dents, dings, or corrosion (corrosion brings about the same result as scratches, dings and dents).


195 posted on 04/24/2006 9:12:13 PM PDT by mjaneangels@aolcom
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To: jveritas

redneck version: a stack of Billy beer cans glued end to end.


196 posted on 04/24/2006 9:13:04 PM PDT by HiTech RedNeck
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To: Red Badger
We must not let truth get in the way of the agenda............

Don't worry, the media will see that it doesn't!

197 posted on 04/24/2006 9:14:38 PM PDT by ladyinred
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To: jveritas

Bookmark


198 posted on 04/24/2006 9:36:52 PM PDT by roses of sharon
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To: mjaneangels@aolcom

Doesn't it suppose that the rocket would be launched from inside the tube?

If the solid rocket fuel is installed in the tube, it would be better if the fuel was bonded to the inner walls instead of being able to slide in and out because the inside was slick and free of any scratches.

I just was struck by a thought, are these Anodized or Ionized aluminum tubes?


199 posted on 04/24/2006 9:45:09 PM PDT by usmcobra (Those that are incited to violence by the sight of OUR flag are the enemies of this nation.)
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To: usmcobra
NB ALL TUBES ARE SUBJECTED TO CHEMICAL COATNG IONADIZATION PROCESS TO PREVENT AND SUSTAIN SCRATCHES AND CORROSIONS.

This document doesn't say whether that is , outside or inside , or perhaps even both sides....

The key word might be IONIZATION

200 posted on 04/24/2006 11:24:36 PM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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