Posted on 04/24/2006 11:25:27 AM PDT by kellynla
President Bush in Irvine today called for a rational, temporary guest worker program and said that attempting to deport as many as 12 million undocumented workers illegally in the United States was a policy that was not going to work.
Bush capped a four-day trip to California with a visit to the Orange County Business Council, made up of 300 businesses, where he gave his most detailed comments on immigration since a bipartisan compromise in the Senate fell apart more than two weeks ago.
Congress returned to Washington today from its holiday recess with immigration policy one of the key unresolved issues on its agenda.
"We cannot lose sight of that we are talking about human beings that need to be treated with respect," Bush told the group, adding, "Massive deportation of human beings is not going to work."
As he has before, Bush tried to temper his call for tough enforcement.
"You can be a nation of law and a compassionate nation at the same time," he said.
(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...
No, American is saying, "CAN!", to the tune of about 80%, if you believe the polls.
It's America's leadership (read: Republicans) who are saying, "Can't", which only really means, "Won't."
According to this website we were able to deport quite easily when it was not El Presidente Fox's people...
Vietnamese for Fair Immigration
http://www.fairimmigration.com/index.html
"We (Vietnamese) came through the process legally.
So others should get in line to get their papers"
We feel the U.S. should treat illegal aliens the same way other countries treat their illegal aliens, and how Vietnamese illegal aliens and their children were treated. Vietnamese and non-Hispanics will be treated fairly and no longer be discriminated against by the U.S. Government if it does the following:
1. Enforce all immigration laws. At a minimum these enforcement measures should include:
A) Businesses should be required to check the validity of new employees Social Security or work permit numbers.
B) Local and state law enforcement officers should verify the citizenship and immigration status of everyone they apprehend. Every illegal alien they apprehend should be detained and transferred to the Homeland Security Departments ICE division for deportation.
2. Children born to illegal aliens and guest workers in the U.S. should not be given U.S. citizenship. The U.S. is totally out of step with the rest of the world in this regard.
3. Any long term guest worker program (1 year or more) should only include foreigners outside the United States, not illegal aliens inside the U.S. To protect the wages of Vietnamese-Americans and all Americans, the guest worker recommendations of the Jordan Commission should be followed.
4. We support U.S. investment in high immigrant sending countries to create more opportunities there. For example, we support the proposal where the U.S. would match any new funds Mexico spend on infrastructure, education, and law-enforcement improvements if they also institute free-market and anti-corruption reforms. Since a dollar goes much further in these countries, many times more people could be helped this way instead of helping only a relatively few by letting them into the U.S.
5. The U.S. should not allow legalized illegal aliens nor anyone they sponsored to sponsor their relatives for family preference immigration. This would eliminate the increased waiting times past legalizations of illegal aliens has created. For the minor children and spouses of legalized illegal aliens, a seperate temporary category could be set up as was done from 1992 to 1994.
6. Waiting times and backlongs would be further reduced if the diversity visa category was eliminated and family preference immigration increased a similar amount. This would also increase U.S. diversity much more than the current system, since almost half of the diversity admitees are from Europe.
http://www.fairimmigration.com/index.html
It ain't so....or I'm not sure anyway, sorry, I should have been more specific, it was 'catch and release' for the one's picked up in Houston, I read this here:
Dozens of illegal immigrants arrested, released in hours
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1618305/posts
President Bush already knows how to move large numbers of people - like back and forth to Iraq, Europe, Japan, Korea.
Mexico is a whole lot closer. Put 400 in a big Airforce cargo plane. Assign 100 planes and 40,000 Mexicans could return home every 8 hours. On a 24/7 basis, thats 840,00 per week returning to their legal home.
They would all be basking in the warm sunshine of Mexico in a little over two weeks.
Amnesty, yes, it could be, it is amnesty from being deported immediately.
But as Bush said in his speech today, under his program the guest workers are TEMPORARY, and if they want to get back in legally they have to go to the BACK of the line. He said it was unfair to have a program that let illegal people get ahead of those waiting legally.
i know some want to say if you came here illegally, you can never come back. That's a valid position, but I don't agree with it. I want to control the borders, but I don't want to seal them, and I don't see crossing borders as a life sentence.
Another thing concerning the "Massive Deportation": how about deporting just the few measly ones that were rounded up last week?
That can't happen since they were all let go, which is the usual practice by the Feds, let go and told to "appear in court" at a certain date. Sure, they're going to show up, idiots!
Does your proposal require proof that the employee knew he was hiring illegals? i'm happy to put out of business employers who KNOWINGLY hire illegals.
But if we don't have the guts to institute a national ID card, it is hard for employers to know that a worker is illegal, if that worker has obtained forged social security cards and has legal or illegal driver license and other information.
Bush in the speech said that we can't make employers into immigration police, and I agree with that. If I run a mom-and-pop store, and need to hire someone, I don't want to be responsible for launching a criminal investigation first to prove that the person is legal.
Worse, if you force me to do that, I will likely only hire white people who speak perfect english -- and since there are millions of american citizens who don't meet that criteria, forcing employees to consider that option is a very bad thing in my opinion.
We need to control the border, to stop illegals, to get control of the ones here now, and to establish a clear procedure for managing the temporary foreign workforce.
I listened to the speech, and he never said he wanted a path to legalization for these people specifically.
He said he wants a TEMPORARY GUEST WORKER program, and if they want to come back in the country legally they should go back and get in the BACK of the line.
He said if Congress wants to legalize more mexicans, they should increase the number of green cards for mexicans. But that's not the same as saying he wants to provide a direct path to citizenship for these people.
It is true that he doesn't want to disqualify them from ever getting a green card.
Yes. His months of lying on the issue haven't worked, so now he's stammering a new tune.
Pray his defeat on this issue. With some luck we may get through the rest of this dishonest man's failed Presidency without his sick dream of a merged USA-Mexico coming true.
I agree that we should, RIGHT NOW, pass the border control measures. We can work on the next step after that. We should also pass new tougher laws for employers who hire illegals, and provide a (I hate to say this) new government program to make it easy for employers to check on the legal status of workers.
hmmmm....how about this? We build a wall to keep out illegal invaders? Sounds alot like what you probably do at your house! (Are you French?)
susie
If it's impossible (according to the President) to send them back now, how would we actually do anything about them if they choose to ignore this new directive (come forward so we can give you temporary status) AND how would we actually be able to do anything about those who just chose to stay when their temporary status was up?
My position is this. I am against ANYTHING that changes the status on illegal aliens unless and until we have our border secured (what do you mean you don't want it sealed? Can you elaborate on that?).
susie
All criminals work to find a way around the laws. That's why they're called criminals. And why we have to enforce the law instead of merely suggesting to criminals they please try to be nice. A drop in the bucket? Sure. But it's enough to keep all hell from breaking loose day in and day out.
According to Congressman Rohrabacher he doesn't think there's going to be a bill until 2008. If all they want to do is give us amnesty that's fine by me.
But not in two weeks as Frist wants to do. They need to wait a while until the border is truly secured first.
First, we have laws about speeding on interstate highways. The vase majority of drivers break those laws. We have laws about wearing seat belts. Many do not wear them. I would suggest that our nation is not undermined simply because these traffice laws are broken. There is nothing immoral per se about going five miles over a posted speed limited, other than the fact that it is a violation of a law.
Likewise, there is nothing inherently immoral about illegal immigration other it shows a disrespect for our sovereignty.
Do we advocate the abolition of traffic laws simply because we do not have enough troopers to enforce them? Of course not, because the threat of getting caught deters the enought potential speeders to achieve the state's goals of traffice safety. On the other hand it would be logistically impossible to ticket every single traffice violator.
The same problem applies to immigration enforcement. You create conditions that promote legal immigration and discourage illegal immigration. You make border security more tangible. And so on.
BTW, blaming the POTUS for your personal financial and employment status is a little lame. The only thing limiting you and your prospects is yourself. Second,
I really, really, disagree on this one.
Bloviate all you want -- your opinions are useless.
I really really agree on this one.
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