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Bush Says Massive Deportation Is Not Realistic(Ike did it, so can Bush!)
Los Angeles Times ^ | 11:01 AM PDT, April 24, 2006 | James Gerstenzang and Michael Muskal

Posted on 04/24/2006 11:25:27 AM PDT by kellynla

President Bush in Irvine today called for a rational, temporary guest worker program and said that attempting to deport as many as 12 million undocumented workers illegally in the United States was a policy that was not going to work.

Bush capped a four-day trip to California with a visit to the Orange County Business Council, made up of 300 businesses, where he gave his most detailed comments on immigration since a bipartisan compromise in the Senate fell apart more than two weeks ago.

Congress returned to Washington today from its holiday recess with immigration policy one of the key unresolved issues on its agenda.

"We cannot lose sight of that we are talking about human beings that need to be treated with respect," Bush told the group, adding, "Massive deportation of human beings is not going to work."

As he has before, Bush tried to temper his call for tough enforcement.

"You can be a nation of law and a compassionate nation at the same time," he said.

(Excerpt) Read more at latimes.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Constitution/Conservatism; Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Extended News; Foreign Affairs; Government
KEYWORDS: aliens; amnesty; borderlist; calvisit; deportation; illegalaliens; illegalimmigration; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; irvine; resign
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To: Kenny Bunkport
That's fine. The conservative movement in this country is pretty much dead anyway.

Bush and his fellow RINOs in D.C. certainly seem like eager grave diggers...

41 posted on 04/24/2006 11:48:57 AM PDT by DTogo (I haven't left the GOP, the GOP left me.)
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To: Kenny Bunkport

The conservative movement is not so much dead, but looking for an electable leader to inject a loud voice into policy debates.

George Allen anyone?


42 posted on 04/24/2006 11:49:27 AM PDT by negril
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To: XJarhead
The current laws on the books contain enforcement mechanisms that are inadequate to do what you want. You want better enforcement, you have to change the law.

Here are some of the most common felonies committed by illegal aliens.

8 usc 1325 entering the US unlawfully (misdemeanor first time, felony second time)
8 usc 1326 entering the US after being deported
18 usc 1546 using false documents to obtain work authorization
18 usc 1028 using false identification document
42 usc 408 misuse of a social security number
18 usc 1344 setting up a bank account with false information
43 posted on 04/24/2006 11:49:40 AM PDT by GarySpFc (Jesus on Immigration, John 10:1)
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To: kellynla

Make as many as possible want to deport themselves by cutting off tehir subsidies and benefits. As someone said, tax money going to Mexico (heavily.) Crack down on the employers of illegals (I'm not just talking heavy fines, but also jail time.)

Build the wall and the smart fence and build up the Border Patrol. (Congress authorized 2,000 new Broder Patrol agents per year for 5 years, but the Bush Administration refuses to fund more than about 200, barely enough to cover losses from attrition. Demand full funding of the Border Patrol.)

Deport the rest on school buses (employing the bus drivers for part of the summer out-of-school season) and hold them pending deportation at closed-up military bases.


44 posted on 04/24/2006 11:50:08 AM PDT by TBP
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To: CharlesWayneCT
You are exactly right.

Include in the "guest worker provision" an electronic I.D. card that permits/requires employers and INS agents to verify immediately -- like a credit card check -- that the card is valid and the person here legally. Include fingerprint registration to resolve issues of lost/stolen I.D.'s, etc.

Require deportation for any "guest worker" who doesn't actually work for more than 4 consecutive weeks or more than 10 weeks out of the year. Limit by statute eligibilty for public assistance. And, best of all, requiring this form of electronic registration with the feds and linking it to tax payments made for the guest worker I.D. will go a long way to eliminating the underground cash economy for illegals, and increase tax receipts.

45 posted on 04/24/2006 11:50:13 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: Reaganwuzthebest

He always said he opposed a path to citizenship for illegals in country. Now he apparently comes out in favor of a path for most of them if not all. I used to think no matter if I agreed or disagreed with Bush he always said exactly what he meant. On immigration, it appears, he cannot be trusted to tell the truth.


46 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:09 AM PDT by mthom
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To: CharlesWayneCT
If we do that, we can use the guest worker program as the carrot which will flush millions of illegals out to where they can be tracked -- and take the sails out of the amnesty ship.

The one problem with what you're saying is we already have a guest worker program in H1-b by which to judge any new ones. They too can be tracked and deported with violations but as expected they're not. It's estimated there's over a million visa overstayers and it's unlikely they're going anywhere.

Now they want to expand it to include at least 12 million more? I really think there should be no debate in Congress about what to do with illegals here until we get the borders under control. Until that happens it's all just going to get worse and worse.

47 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:22 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: jlasoon
There is nothing compassionate about retaining all these illegal aliens - all of whom are criminals. If fact, it is mean-spirited and harmful to our nation.
48 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:45 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: CharlesWayneCT
"You can make it illegal to employ them, but you won't be able to arrest, prosecute, and convict the employers of 12 million people over a 6-year period."

You won't have to. You make the first offense fine $10,000.00 You make the second offense fine $100,000.00 You make the third offense fine $1,000,000.00 and forfeiture of all business assets. Believe me....Employers from the mom and pop businesses to S corps to giant corps will fall in line within 6 months. Illegals will self deport shortly there after.
49 posted on 04/24/2006 11:51:56 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: CharlesWayneCT

I'm not fighting a guestworker program. However if it includes people who are illegally in the country then it is just another word for amnesty.
Sorry, I'm not buying what you're selling.
susie


50 posted on 04/24/2006 11:52:56 AM PDT by brytlea (amnesty--an act of clemency by an authority by which pardon is granted esp. to a group of individual)
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To: XJarhead

Our Cant Do President! Why dont you completely shut down for the next two years like youve done the last two.? You know fold your hand and go home a failure like your father.


51 posted on 04/24/2006 11:53:01 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: kellynla

Of course, massive deportation is possible. In fact, it is essential due to the large number of invaders. So if we are invaded by hordes we wave the white flag? Crazy or treasonous?


52 posted on 04/24/2006 11:53:16 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: TBP
Make as many as possible want to deport themselves by cutting off tehir subsidies and benefits. As someone said, tax money going to Mexico (heavily.)

A great many of them don't receive benefits or subsidies. Why would they "self deport"?

Crack down on the employers of illegals (I'm not just talking heavy fines, but also jail time.)

As with your prior suggestion, that would require legislative changes to current law, both in substance and in enforcement mechanisms. Where are the votes for that in the Senate?

Deport the rest on school buses (employing the bus drivers for part of the summer out-of-school season) and hold them pending deportation at closed-up military bases.

Uh, so who is going to pay to house/feed/clothe these millions of people who now are going nothing at all productive, while they wait the 5-7 years (optimisticall) for the courts to process 10 million aliens?

53 posted on 04/24/2006 11:53:59 AM PDT by XJarhead
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To: tessalu
"Treaties supersede our laws."

Exactly, that is the only way GATT, NAFTA (which was supposed to stop the illegals from even wanting to come to the US)...and CAFTA are "extra-" Constitutional bull$hit.

Most of our Senators and Congress people are members of CFR anyway...
which is just a hop-skip-and a jump away from being full fledged UN-Communists.
54 posted on 04/24/2006 11:54:59 AM PDT by taxed2death (A few billion here, a few trillion there...we're all friends right?)
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To: kellynla

He's right - it isn't realistic. But neither is enacting immigration reform without real border security.


55 posted on 04/24/2006 11:55:17 AM PDT by Zack Nguyen
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To: kellynla
"not realistic"
Where is a will, there is a way.
56 posted on 04/24/2006 11:55:34 AM PDT by GSlob
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To: mthom

It's taken him a while to be honest and upfront about what he really wants but it's all out in the open now, finally. I only hope the House holds firm and says no thanks.


57 posted on 04/24/2006 11:55:34 AM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: kellynla

I wish to heck the Pres could speak openly of this and other issues. His partners in Congress, and his Cabinet officers should be out front on all these issues, say what the cost for this and that will be. At least put some facts out for public discussion instead of letting people make up their own facts from thin air.


58 posted on 04/24/2006 11:55:48 AM PDT by RightWhale (Off touch and out of base)
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To: Kenny Bunkport
"That's fine. The conservative movement in this country is pretty much dead anyway."

I'll give you two guesses who killed it.

(hint: Look up)

59 posted on 04/24/2006 11:56:27 AM PDT by Earthdweller
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To: DTogo

Bush and McCain= Burke and Hare


60 posted on 04/24/2006 11:56:28 AM PDT by Rakkasan1 (they love you in Mexico until you pay in pesos.)
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