Posted on 04/26/2006 10:08:14 AM PDT by conserv371
I see it that way. We will soon have two parties: a nationalist conservative party, and a globalist party, with much of the old Democratic party largely absorbed by either camp. US labor interests, US manufacturers, and the Nationalist party would go well together; while the greenies, and anti-american bunch, and most of Wall Street can fit right in with the globalist.
I agree there. Republicans voted against Bush because of his "No New Taxes" flip-flop, a punishment even to their detriment. Dems vote for their guys no matter how they are skewered by them.
Then the republican party has you. So long as this argument can be successfully made, they and RINOs therein can do what they want and know they will be voted back in. They have been doing what they want, in spite of their base, and they have been using the same line, and they have been voted back in.
Why in the world should they change?
When you get to the point that you agree with them 10% of the time, it will be far too late.
That's all.
I agree. Or don't do, as in the case of the border for the last 40 years.
But starting a fringe party will do nothing except remove conservative voices out of the GOP, which is the last thing this country can afford.
P.S. The way to where you want to go is NARROW, not broad, pissant. Broad picks up those who dilute the reason you want to go there. Sorry, there are just no two ways about it.
If we're interested in truth in labeling, I would personally call myself a 'republican', small 'r'.
More accurate and truly descriptive than 'conservative'.
No matter what happens to the two major parties, I'll always believe in a republican form of government.
As long as the Lord tarries, that is...
That's like asking whether we'd prefer a slow death or a fast death. The only way to save the American corpus may be to vote third party, even if that means the Dems win an election or two. The American people will quickly see liberals for what they are (again), which is a contrast the current GOP regime does not provide.
And fwiw, I'm not buying the "conservatives should work for change within the party" schtick anymore, not after almost 50 years. If Ronaldus Maximus and Gingrich couldn't break the Beltway moderate GOP powerbrokers' control, it won't happen. And it will keep serving up faux conservatives like GHB, Bob Dole, and GWB (and likely Rudy Guiliani). It's time for some Tough Love.
Republican(Fake Conservative), Democrat(Jealous of a Conservative) and Libertarian(True Conservative).
That and I did hear gun control mentioned.
i.e. Free Traitor Party
So we should vote Democrat because "we hate Bush", and Republican because "we hate Democrats". I think I'll just go find someone who has something to say.
Can you show us the data? I simply don't believe it, but am always open to convinving evidence.
Bill Clinton received 42% which was very, very typical for Dem presidential candidates at that time in history. Bush received 38% which was very atypical for Republican presidential candidates in those years. It is painfully clear that Perot siphoned of GOP votes while Dems remained loyal to Clinton.
Glad to know that there are people like you out there attacking folks who claim to be conservative. It's obvious that you know so much more than the rest of us on what a conservative is. It's also nice to know that unless we follow your dogma that America is doomed.
Sorry, the fear tactics and chest thumping that "Real Republicans" continuously engage in no longer works. People are going to do what they are going to do, the only thing your rants are going to do is make them leave faster.
Why?
Because they don't want to be associated with your brand of conservatism.
Insanity is the practice of doing the same thing over and over again expecting a different result.
After 30 years of supporting and working for the Republican Party, waiting, hoping, praying and ultimately being disappointed in what I and others have worked for. I'm done.
Yes there are good conservatives in the republicrat party, but unfortunately there are far too many other jackasses who will sell this country down the drain. McCain is one and it's beginning to look like Bush is not interested in a Sovereign America either.
My vote will go to who deserves it, not who THINKS I owe it to them.
Here's the problem, everyone has different priorities they want fulfilled.
For some, it's closing the border.
Others, its shrinking the gov't.
Others, it's abolishing abortion
Others, it's winning the culture war against the humanist/libs/atheists
Others, it's libertarian stands on drugs/culture
Others, it's crushing islamofacism
Others, it's the 2nd amendment
Others, it's lowering taxes to let business boom
Others, it's protecting our manufacturing base
Others, it's fixing SS and medicare so we don't go bankrupt
Others, its the national debt/deficit
Others, it's preparing for war with China
etc, etc, etc.
"So we should vote Democrat because "we hate Bush", and Republican because "we hate Democrats". I think I'll just go find someone who has something to say."
Well said
I don't want more of the same.. I want radical departure from normal politics in the last 100 years.. O.K. 60/70..
I want to regain the Constitution as it was written and that requires a radical change to amendments in the last 100 years.. or total recall.. I don't want a conservative change at all..
Of course, that won't happen.. America has been brain washed by the socialists for at least 100 years.. Even most all so-called conservatives are socialists.. Social Security(SSI) you know IS socialism.. not LIKE socialism but it IS socialism.. AND socialism is Slavery by Givernment.. Conservatives are slaves just like democrats but they want a little less slavery.. or a lot less.. BUT they want to KEEP the slavery.. RINOs you know ARE democrats.. with a (R) by their name.. If Bush is not a RINO he has a very good MASK ON..
You have to realize I recovering from our George Ryan fiasco. I am a social and fiscal conservative. I guess the truth is there are not enough conservatives out there to make us win.
I am republican last and conservative first. Trust me, I cannot stand Dean, Pelosi, Kennedy etc. I was for a third party candidate in IL but he appears to be making deals with our current democratic governor so I will not be voting for anyone for governor. I am pro-life, pro-marriage, pro-Iraq war, enforce the borders, but support Bush when I can.
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