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Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)
AP ^ | April 26, 2006 | DAVID ESPO

Posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:12 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative

President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Several officials familiar with the meeting also said Democrats protested radio commercials that blamed them for Republican-written legislation that passed the House and would make illegal immigrants vulnerable to felony charges.

Bush said he was unfamiliar with the ads, which were financed by the Republican National Committee, according to officials familiar with the discussions.

At another point, Democratic leader Harry Reid of Nevada and other members of his party pressed the president about their concern that any Senate-passed bill would be made unpalatable in final talks with the House.

Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past. Bush did not directly respond to the remark, officials said.

The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

Bush convened the session to give momentum to the drive for election-year immigration legislation, a contentious issue that has triggered large street demonstrations and produced divisions in both political parties. Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

"Yes, he thinks people should be given a path to citizenship," said Sen. Mel Martinez., R-Fla., a leading supporter of immigration legislation in the Senate.

(Excerpt) Read more at washingtonpost.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Front Page News; Government; Mexico; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: aliens; bordersecurity; bush; bushamnesty; bushhaters; citzenship; illegalaliens; illegals; immigrantlist; immigration; invasionusa; openborders; sellout
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1 posted on 04/26/2006 5:20:15 PM PDT by West Coast Conservative
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To: West Coast Conservative
The Republican and Democratic officials who described the conversation did so Wednesday on condition of anonymity, saying they had not been authorized to disclose details.

The Washington Post: "Even our weather reports come from anonymous sources."

2 posted on 04/26/2006 5:21:49 PM PDT by Gordongekko909 (I know. Let's cut his WHOLE BODY off.)
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To: Gordongekko909

Does this really shock anyone here? I'vw known this for some time now.

Now lets see if he can carry out the will of the people (the citizens, that is...not the illegals or Vincente Fox).


3 posted on 04/26/2006 5:25:09 PM PDT by WayneM
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To: West Coast Conservative

And Bush wonders why his job approval ratings are headed toward the floor.


4 posted on 04/26/2006 5:25:30 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: John Jorsett

Privately, I can't even tell you what I think about Bush. Pack it in the country, well, color it gone.


5 posted on 04/26/2006 5:27:07 PM PDT by Squat (Deport the illegals now! Turn Home Depot's into the prisons to hold the illegals!.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Senators of both parties emerged from the session praising the president's involvement and said the timetable was achievable.

Of course they did; they were personally selected treasonous scum.
6 posted on 04/26/2006 5:27:31 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: West Coast Conservative; All

Bush just lost the support that put him in office. A sad day to witness....IMO.


9 posted on 04/26/2006 5:28:33 PM PDT by underwiredsupport (...for the shape of things to come!)
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To: Gordongekko909
"Even our weather reports come from anonymous sources."

But posters on this forum will take this piece of crap report and run with it.

10 posted on 04/26/2006 5:28:51 PM PDT by Howlin
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To: WayneM
Does this really shock anyone here? I'vw known this for some time now.

Bush ran on "normalization" with illegal mexicans in 2000. I'm only amazed that his base forgot about it or thought he didn't mean it. Bush never says anything he doesn't mean.

11 posted on 04/26/2006 5:29:10 PM PDT by narby
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To: satchmoduke
I think this is a case where he listens a little too much to his corporate buddies..

I don't think he needs guidance from anyone on this. He's a true believer in open borders or something close to it.

12 posted on 04/26/2006 5:29:12 PM PDT by John Jorsett (scam never sleeps)
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To: West Coast Conservative
"President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans,..."

Real shocker...

13 posted on 04/26/2006 5:30:37 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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To: Squat
Privately, I can't even tell you what I think about Bush.

:) This is actually a good story for our side. Bush meeting and working with democrats while ignoring Republicans, even shutting them out is just the sort of thing that'll keep that monstrosity in the Senate from ever becoming law.

14 posted on 04/26/2006 5:30:39 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: West Coast Conservative

He's always said he wants them to have a pathway to citizenship so why would AP need anonymous sources?


15 posted on 04/26/2006 5:32:04 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

ANONYMOUS source?

Tell the AP to screw themselves. This is not news. It's gossip. If the AP needs some news, then they need to check out the recently translated Iraq prewar documents. That's NEWS!


16 posted on 04/26/2006 5:32:18 PM PDT by avacado
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To: West Coast Conservative

There is already a path to citizenship. It's just not by stealing your way into the country and expecting your reward without penalty. Not just yet.

I'd prefer Bush to come right out and tell America he WILL get his amnesty for both his felon employer friends and their near-slave laborers and abolish the US/Mexico border along with the middle class of America.

At least he'd be a lot more near revealing the truth.


17 posted on 04/26/2006 5:32:44 PM PDT by azhenfud (He who always is looking up seldom finds others' lost change.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Who were the Senators talking??

Names would help

18 posted on 04/26/2006 5:33:05 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: West Coast Conservative

That ANY MOUSE is one busy RAT...


19 posted on 04/26/2006 5:33:27 PM PDT by TADSLOS (Right Wing Infidel since 1954)
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To: Gordongekko909

And we expect the AP to get this story right? Oh geez.


20 posted on 04/26/2006 5:33:30 PM PDT by pissant
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To: West Coast Conservative

Secure the borders. Don't talk to me about anything else, I don't want to hear any new whizbang immigration policy proposals until you secure the borders. If you can't secure the borders, why should I trust you with anything else?


21 posted on 04/26/2006 5:33:36 PM PDT by marron
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To: West Coast Conservative
Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)

If anything, all illegals should be barred from ever qualifying for citizenship just because of their lawbreaking in gaining entry.

I'm getting really p*ssed off at the man for whom I voted twice and based on his performance lately I'm beginning to think that perhaps the Democrats are justified in considering impeachment.

22 posted on 04/26/2006 5:34:10 PM PDT by varon (Allegiance to the constitution, always. Allegiance to a political party, never.)
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To: West Coast Conservative

"...but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans..."

This is a mischaracterization. The opposition is among the MAJORITY OF THE AMERICAN PEOPLE. And Bush knows this. [I knew that he was soft on immigration when he was running for the GOP nomination in 2000. That's why I wanted to draft Sen. Fred Thompson at the time.]

For every demonstrator that turned out on the streets in favor of illegal immigration, there are ten who are against it. The difference being, the latter group is too busy WORKING.

The house Republicans are indeed voicing opposition to swallowing whole 11 million illegal aliens and leaving the door open for more. They know that more of their base will stay home if they feel betrayed by the president. In other words, the American people will abandon the party if the party continues to abandon them.

If the Demos are smart, they'll keep their mouths shut on this issue and watch the GOP self-destruct.


25 posted on 04/26/2006 5:35:16 PM PDT by walford (http://the-big-pic.org)
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To: West Coast Conservative; All
President Bush generally favors plans to give millions of illegal immigrants a chance at U.S. citizenship without leaving the country, but does not want to be more publicly supportive because of opposition among conservative House Republicans, according to senators who attended a recent White House meeting.

Bush's infatuation with 12-20 MILLION illegal aliens is beyond just the need for a cheap labor pool...please read on.

I work in the California Produce Industry.  I received a call from a client today, who stated that the Yuma, Arizona lettuce deal, which just finished was a real challenge.  His company harvests lettuce.

(Here is a brief recap about how this works.) We use large harvesters, which move through the lettuce field, at a speed of about 2-3 mph...and there [© Hazel Gray]are a "crew" of about 40-45 workers who makes these rolling harvesters function.  About 15-20 walk the field.  These are the cutters.  It is tough work, "stoop labor" and after cutting the lettuce, it is bagged and then placed on a conveyor.  The conveyor brings the lettuce to the center area of the harvester, where 10-12 ladies wrap the lettuce, tape the bag shut, and place in a box.  Then, another conveyor moves the full box forward where another 6-8 men stack the boxes on flat-bed trucks or trailers, which move along side the harvester.  It is a very efficient process.  One of these crews can cut and wrap almost 15,000 head of lettuce per day.  It is an amazing process to see in action.

Photograph of field workers harvesting lettuce.The point of the story, is that there is a huge shortage of workers.  What has happened, is that for many years (30+) it was an accepted fact that illegal aliens would work primarily in the fields, exclusively.  But, as Border Patrol enforcement within the states has subsided, to a level approaching zero...the workers have moved away from agricultural jobs, and into better paying construction jobs. 

A "stoop harvester" can earn around $7-8 per hour.  But a framer can earn $15-20 per hour.  It was an easy economical decision for the illegal's.  Now, the result is a tremendous shortage of workers to harvest lettuce, vegetables and other "stoop harvested" crops.  Now, even tree fruit and citrus pickers are difficult to find, again for the same reasons.  Simply better money in other job markets in the US economy.

The big lie being told is, "These folks are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do."

The truth is, the illegal's are doing jobs Americans refuse to do, for the wages being offered.

Market conditions will prevail.  If construction labor goes back where it belongs, more like $25-30 per hour, then Immigrant Labor will be steered back to the "stoop labor" jobs that they performed for so many decades.

But, for any of this to work, it requires a full REBOOT of the system.

Apprehension of Illegal's.

Detention and processing.

Deportation back to Mexico.

And then...legitimate and legal migration, to fill the jobs which require the labor force.

We have exported our manufacturing jobs to China.  We have moved the factories, the tools and dies and the entire process overseas.

Are we all going to get jobs as web designers?  I think not.

Perilous times are now upon us!

Shame on you President Bush...

26 posted on 04/26/2006 5:35:31 PM PDT by underwiredsupport (...for the shape of things to come!)
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To: narby

Bush ran on the Iraq war. He won on the Iraq war. Whatever other babble he may have uttered had no relevance, and he never did come out and demand a mandate to legalize illegal aliens; whatever you are smoking, please keep it to yourself and don't blow it in my direction.


27 posted on 04/26/2006 5:38:13 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Howlin
"But posters on this forum will take this piece of crap report and run with it.

You can always count on that.

28 posted on 04/26/2006 5:38:37 PM PDT by A Citizen Reporter
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To: narby
Bush never says anything he doesn't mean.

How true Liberals claim he is to stubborn on the war Conservatives claim he is to stubborn on immigration. It's time to wake up and realize Bush IS A MODERATE, and in the end no one wants a moderate leader.
29 posted on 04/26/2006 5:39:14 PM PDT by Conservative Actuary
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To: Howlin
But posters on this forum will take this piece of crap report and run with it.

Amazing they would take the word of the Washington Post

And who exactly were these Senators??

Reid and Durbin maybe ????

30 posted on 04/26/2006 5:39:46 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: West Coast Conservative

Sounds to me like the libs were lying about the President to try to anger Conservatives.

The title gave it away.


32 posted on 04/26/2006 5:40:54 PM PDT by stopem (To allow a bunch of third world country nationals to divide Americans is unconscionable!)
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To: Gordongekko909
The Washington Post: "Even our weather reports come from anonymous sources."

Nailed.

33 posted on 04/26/2006 5:42:28 PM PDT by onyx (MARY MC CHRISTMAS everybody!)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Sen. Dick Durbin of Illinois, the second-ranking Democrat, said the lawmaker who would lead House negotiators, House Judiciary Committee Chairman James Sensenbrenner, had been "intractable" in negotiations on other high-profile bills in the past.

Just what we like to hear Durbin. Here's hoping in the coming negotiations he rolls over you again like the scum you are.

34 posted on 04/26/2006 5:42:43 PM PDT by Reaganwuzthebest
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To: Mo1
"Amazing they would take the word of the Washington Post>"

Not so amazing for that crowd.

35 posted on 04/26/2006 5:42:50 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: West Coast Conservative

Wow, who'da thunk?


36 posted on 04/26/2006 5:43:09 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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To: ARCADIA

Are you saying President Bush is committing treason?


37 posted on 04/26/2006 5:44:36 PM PDT by tobyhill (The War on Terrorism is not for the weak.)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Privately, Bush Says He Favors Citizenship (for Illegals)

Looks like The Washington Post managed to plant a microphone at
Vicente Fox's love-shack.

(just being facetious)
38 posted on 04/26/2006 5:45:03 PM PDT by VOA
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To: CWOJackson

You're correct .. it's not and I'm seeing a pattern more and more


39 posted on 04/26/2006 5:45:31 PM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: West Coast Conservative

No $hit!


40 posted on 04/26/2006 5:46:24 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: underwiredsupport
---The big lie being told is, "These folks are doing the jobs Americans refuse to do." ---

It is not a lie if those higher paying construction jobs are being filled by illegal Mexicans. Do you think Americans are applying for those jobs at that pay rate and getting turned down?

41 posted on 04/26/2006 5:47:48 PM PDT by avacado
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To: Howlin

** But posters on this forum will take this piece of crap report and run with it. **

But, is the report plausible?

(Absolutely)


42 posted on 04/26/2006 5:48:01 PM PDT by Sometimes A River (Bush stifles speech to appease Chinese butchers)
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To: tobyhill

Yes, specifically he has refused to enforce the law as it currently reads or to protect our national borders. What would you call it? What does he have to do to convince you; Invite the Mexican Army to parade in DC?


43 posted on 04/26/2006 5:48:08 PM PDT by ARCADIA (Abuse of power comes as no surprise)
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To: Howlin

He all but said it in the OC on Monday. Go watch the video. it is sickening.


44 posted on 04/26/2006 5:48:10 PM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Never corner anything meaner than you. NSDQ)
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To: Conservative Actuary
It's time to wake up and realize Bush IS A MODERATE.

A real "moderate" would secure the borders, deport felonious illegals, etc., before he proposed a mass amnesty. A "moderate" would hear the outrage of American citizens. Bush is frightenly "liberal" when it comes to giving our country away to.

45 posted on 04/26/2006 5:49:10 PM PDT by teawithmisswilliams (Question Diversity)
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To: West Coast Conservative
Last train out for the GOP, new party on the horizon: Patriot Party, anti-americans and bushbots not welcome.
46 posted on 04/26/2006 5:49:55 PM PDT by Zrob (Amnesty in any form = dead GOP)
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To: West Coast Conservative
I favor no amnesty. I want citizenship - for Americans, period!

(Denny Crane: "Every one should carry a gun strapped to their waist. We need more - not less guns.")

47 posted on 04/26/2006 5:49:57 PM PDT by goldstategop (In Memory Of A Dearly Beloved Friend Who Lives On In My Heart Forever)
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To: ARCADIA

Bush ran on the Iraq war and won on the Iraq war in 2000?

Your knowledge of history is a little off.


48 posted on 04/26/2006 5:50:11 PM PDT by tabsternager
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To: mad_as_he$$

: )


49 posted on 04/26/2006 5:50:44 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker ((Immigration: Acting like dupes does not earn us their respect, but their CONTEMPT.))
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To: tobyhill

"Are you saying President Bush is committing treason?" Can you interpret the Constitution of the United States in a way that he is not?


50 posted on 04/26/2006 5:50:45 PM PDT by diogenes ghost
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