Hamad Mir - "Terrorists will Use Nukes in America if U.S. Bombs Iran!"

Terrorism Press COnference ^ | 4-28-06 | Bob J

[Bob J]

In a just concluded debate and press conference, author and FBI Consultant Paul Williams and Jeff Epstein of "America's Truth Forum" reveal they have been advised by Pakistani journalist and Bin Laden biographer Hamid Amir that Al-Qaeda will use smuggled nukes against the US if the US takes military action against Iran.

Amir established his credentials by correctly predicting that Egypt would be hit by terrorist action a full two weeks prior to the events of last week. Amir, a Pakistani journalist, has been in contact with high ranking Al-Qaeda officials for several years.

The debate (between Richard Miniter and Paul Williams) and press conference were webcast LIVE by Rightalk.com. Audio files of both events will be available for downloading by this afternoon.

[antivenom]

we might have a few more problems then the loss of the GOP...doesn't matter how that sucker gets here...once it has been detonated....border control and a loss of a party won't be on the horizon...finger pointing won't have any value

[antivenom]

sand pile = litter box

[justa-hairyape]

"...that Al-Qaeda will use smuggled nukes against the US if the US takes military action against Iran.

So there apparently is a collaborative working relationship between the Iranian mullahs and the Al-Qaeda terrorist.

[antivenom]

Just hit Mecca...and after we get ALL of their attention...we can have "talks"....

[muawiyah]

Since the last WMD attack the GOP has won two elections. Do you honestly think they'd lose after another one?

[gotribe]

Well then, play it out. Three major US cities attacked. No nuke response on our part? Then what is our stomach for US deaths - 3, 5, 10 cities? I'm pretty sure our policy is nukers get nuked.

If we get nuked, America with seethe. Say we trace the blast to a uranium from iran or some chatter tips us off. You don't think Tehran will disappear? What's the alternative - tell them to lay down arms? And we do what with their muslim country then? We sure can't occupy it. Americans won't stand for another 3-year war with boots on the ground and precision bombs and IEDs and debating ayatollahs and what not.

One of the problems with lobbing precision bombs at military and government targets when the enemy is a cultural system is that not enough people are killed to force a general surrender, a complete change of order. How many precision bombs would it have taken to force Japan to surrender?

If we get nuked, our challenge will be to change the entire islamic order once and for all by forcing them to abandon their imperialism - and doing it before another nuke goes off in America. I don't think you can do that with conventional weapons. At least not without a hellrain of conventional weapons, and then you might as well use nukes because the result will be the same.

[Southack]

"Not useable as an initiator? Your reading is a bit out of date. Do you understand how tube type neutron initiators work? Or the weak D-T fusion compression type initiator? My comment was to tritium being used in initiators in general, not specifically to gun type devices. Don't try to narrow the focus to cover an incorrect statement, where you jumped all over the newbie for stating tritium was used in initiators."

Adding a pulse neutron gun to a nuclear weapon greatly hikes up the level of complexity...something that delays the deployment of a nuclear weapon...something that mandates extra engineering...something that requires extra testing and added expense.

So no, in the scope of an Al Qaeda or Iranian 1st generation nuclear weapon, tritium is **not** in any way useful as a trigger/initiator.

[HereInTheHeartland]

"they set off nukes in our major cities (D.C., NYC, LA, etc.) and cause mass panic and chaos in the country, they show that they are capable of carrying out their threats."

There will be thousands of dead Muslims in this nation if that happens; in unaffected cities.
The savagery of good American people will be unleashed if that would happen.
God help us.

[Southack]

"Well..., so you say. I just don't happen to believe it -- that's all."

Of course you don't believe it, as you are personally and emotionally invested in pedalling fear...facts be hung.

You think that a nuclear war is imminent; you are wrong. You want to charge people up with adrenaline from reading your posts; this is wrong-headed.

You want to ignore our nuclear detection network, our successes in Libya and Iraq, and our boarding and surveillence of North Korea.

You think that the U.S. must engage in global genocide in order to survive. You think that diplomacy or sanctions or conventional military action against Iran will fail.

On all of these points you ignore reality, history, and American technological, economic, political, and military might. On all of these points you are mistaken.

For you, it's time to hit the bunkers. You probably had this same craven instinct as Y2K approached.

None of your suggestions are rational. None of your fear is justified.

If someone needs smashing, then that nation or people will get smashed. We have the power and the will to so do...but no such situation presents itself today...certainly not while we are doing so well in the war on terror (e.g. no new 9/11 attacks here, Taliban hiding in caves, Hussein in jail, Libya's WMD program surrendered to us, etc.) and so well with our economy (e.g. 4.8% GDP growth this last Quarter).

[bnelson44]

If al-Qaeda had nukes they would not need an excuse to use them.

[Uriah_lost]

If they had them and could get them into the US they would have....all this "If America does this or that" crap is exactly that, CRAP!

[Cinnamon]

man.. Iran..they're puffing up like one of them lizzards that try to look bigger n dangerous so the predator will overlook them... lmao. not here Mr Iran nutjob.. we are gonna drag you out of a spider hole

[ladyinred]

Well then, we must just end this war thing right now! /sarcasm

[Carry_Okie]

Any idea how we can get out of this mess?

I'm doing my bit to help free enterprise substitute for regulatory government.

I don't know what else I can do. Environmentalism is the principal means by which we fund our enemies and destroy our ability to sustain a protracted and bloody war.

[grey_whiskers]

If a nuke makes it into the US via loose border control, the GOP reconquista is done politically.

There. All fixed.

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

And just what do they think the result will be? Lets start a contest on what to call the sand pile we used to call Iran.

Ummm, given the location, how about "Lake Cheney" ?

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

He was referring to Muslims who have called on kidnapping and murdering heads of corporations such as Microsoft by embedded terrorist here in America.

Can you imagine the ransom they'd hold him for? Like virus-free software for their PC's ? ;-)

Cheers!

[grey_whiskers]

Unless al-Qaeda has a Cray or a Blue Gene/L for simulation and testing, they would have to actually test a nuke, or overbuild and risk detection.

You don't need a Cray for the simulation; Los Alamos did the calculations in the 1940's with teams of mathematicians and hand-cranked adding machines.

Full Disclosure: Yes I have worked extensively on Crays. :-)

[Star Traveler]

You said -- "You think that the U.S. must engage in global genocide in order to survive. You think that diplomacy or sanctions or conventional military action against Iran will fail."

I've never said the U.S. needs to engage in global genocide. Perhaps some others have said that. Perhaps you're mixing me up with them. I've actually said I would be totally against indiscriminate retaliation against nations and cities -- even if we are subject to a nuclear blast here, in the U.S. by terrorists.

HOWEVER, I did say that we need to eliminate the religion of Islam and all their holy sites and all their clerics that teach killing the infidel only on the basis of them not accepting Islam. Islam -- you see -- is the one who advocate global genocide. You've got your "players" mixed up here. You've confused me for being a Muslim.

And as far as believing that we will do something about Iran -- I think we do need to. I think we better. I sure hope we do. But, that doesn't mean that I also think that we will avoid having the terrorists bring a nuclear bomb into the U.S. and blowing up one (or more) of the cities.

Furthermore, from what I see that the Bible says about this -- it appears that the U.S. is not a "global player" any more in the Bible. And so, that would be an indication that something has happened. I'm not sure what, though. It could be a massive terrorist attack.

But even apart from what the Bible says about America (or the "lack thereof") -- there are many people who can see the threat (directly) of terrorists bringing in nuclear bombs into this country.

And, for what the Bible says about Iran -- they will *still be a player* in the world when they attempt to invade Israel. So, if the U.S. did attempt to do something about Iran -- *it didn't work* (according to the scenario that the Bible gives). I'll go along with the Bible's scenario, because the Bible is perfectly accurate. It always has been and it always will be.


Furthermore, you said -- "On all of these points you ignore reality, history, and American technological, economic, political, and military might. On all of these points you are mistaken."

You simply overrate these things. From what Abraham Lincoln told us (in one of his proclamations) and from what the Bible says, too -- God brings up nations and He brings them down. It's not technological, economic, political and military might that does it. You ignore God on these things. God is the major player in all these things that are happening.

Lincoln said this --

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By the President of the United States of America.

A Proclamation.

Whereas, the Senate of the United States, devoutly recognizing the Supreme Authority and just Government of Almighty God, in all the affairs of men and of nations, has, by a resolution, requested the President to designate and set apart a day for National prayer and humiliation.

And whereas it is the duty of nations as well as of men, to own their dependence upon the overruling power of God, to confess their sins and transgressions, in humble sorrow, yet with assured hope that genuine repentance will lead to mercy and pardon; and to recognize the sublime truth, announced in the Holy Scriptures and proven by all history, that those nations only are blessed whose God is the Lord.

And, insomuch as we know that, by His divine law, nations like individuals are subjected to punishments and chastisements in this world, may we not justly fear that the awful calamity of civil war, which now desolates the land, may be but a punishment, inflicted upon us, for our presumptuous sins, to the needful end of our national reformation as a whole People? We have been the recipients of the choicest bounties of Heaven. We have been preserved, these many years, in peace and prosperity. We have grown in numbers, wealth and power, as no other nation has ever grown. But we have forgotten God. We have forgotten the gracious hand which preserved us in peace, and multiplied and enriched and strengthened us; and we have vainly imagined, in the deceitfulness of our hearts, that all these blessings were produced by some superior wisdom and virtue of our own. Intoxicated with unbroken success, we have become too self-sufficient to feel the necessity of redeeming and preserving grace, too proud to pray to the God that made us!

It behooves us then, to humble ourselves before the offended Power, to confess our national sins, and to pray for clemency and forgiveness.

Now, therefore, in compliance with the request, and fully concurring in the views of the Senate, I do, by this my proclamation, designate and set apart Thursday, the 30th. day of April, 1863, as a day of national humiliation, fasting and prayer. And I do hereby request all the People to abstain, on that day, from their ordinary secular pursuits, and to unite, at their several places of public worship and their respective homes, in keeping the day holy to the Lord, and devoted to the humble discharge of the religious duties proper to that solemn occasion.

All this being done, in sincerity and truth, let us then rest humbly in the hope authorized by the Divine teachings, that the united cry of the Nation will be heard on high, and answered with blessings, no less than the pardon of our national sins, and the restoration of our now divided and suffering Country, to its former happy condition of unity and peace.

In witness whereof, I have hereunto set my hand and caused the seal of the United States to be affixed.

Done at the City of Washington, this thirtieth day of March, in the year of our Lord one thousand eight hundred and sixty-three, and of the Independence of the United States the eighty seventh.

By the President: Abraham Lincoln
William H. Seward, Secretary of State

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I would pay attention to Abraham Lincoln -- because what he said then also applies today. It has not changed. And the Bible says the same thing.

Besides that, we've got terrorist who want to blow us up and kill us all. And they've already done a deed here in the U.S. So, their goals and their aims are very clear. It's only a matter of time.

I believe you're the one who is ignoring reality on these things.

As for me hitting the bunkers, I don't think so. I think we should go out and fight against Islam -- that evil and false and oppressive religion and make it illiegal the whole world over. Destroying Islam is the same thing as destroying Nazism. With both they were a form of *government*. That's the way it is with Islam. With Nazism, it had it's religious components, too -- and we destroyed it. Islam has no separation of religion from the state government. With them, it's *one and the same thing*. So, we are destroying an evil and repressive regime that crosses several political boundaries.

The *nation* that needs to get *smashed* (as you put it) is the "Nation of Islam" as they themselves refer to it. I say let's completely destroy the "Nation of Islam" and get rid of that evil and repressive regime. Otherwise, they will be doing something to get rid of us -- and severely cripple us, as a nation.

Regards,
Star Traveler

[OKIEDOC]

I don't remember the guys name or what show he was on.

Might have been Gibson or Cavuto.

Who was it (I think Fred Barnes) said they were in some meeting and the head of one Muslim group said that the Iran situation reminded him of just the way is was in 1938 with Adolph Hitler and the world refusing to deal with the problems he posed.

This Muslim equated the President of Iran with Hitler and said he was even using the same in your face rhetoric.