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SECAF discusses current, future personnel issues (40,000 to be cut)
Air Force Print News ^ | 4/28/2006 | Master Sgt. Mitch Gettle

Posted on 04/28/2006 9:16:37 PM PDT by El Gato

SECAF discusses current, future personnel issues

by Master Sgt. Mitch Gettle
Air Force Print News


4/28/2006 - WASHINGTON -- Ensuring the Air Force operates fiscally is akin to anyone budgeting and paying for household and living expenses. The costs involved must be balanced and paid in order to maintain a certain lifestyle.

For the Air Force, some of the business costs reside in the targeted reduction of 40,000 full-time equivalent positions over the next five years to meet future budget constraints.

The secretary of the Air Force recently talked about how the Air Force intends to meet those force reductions and the impact on Airmen.

“This (reduction) is really about a turning point in our Air Force,” said Michael W. Wynne, “and a realization by our senior leadership that we cannot move forward with our aging equipment with our increasing costs of operation and engagement of our aircraft.”

The Air Force is operating more efficiently as it relies more and more on reachback, innovations in technology and Air Force Smart Operations 21. That efficiency, resulting in fewer Airmen needed to do the work, helps ease the service’s financial responsibility.

There are many costs associated with the continuously expeditionary nature of the Air Force. Just like a household budget, the big-ticket items like rent or a mortgage must be budgeted first.

“We need to continue to put an emphasis on training and resources for equipment to include maintenance and spares,” he said. ”We have an obligation to be the best Air Force in the world and that requires the best equipment and people to do the job.”

Acquisition, investment, and operation and maintenance areas are the top priorities for funds allocation. By focusing on these areas, the Air Force increases its equipment reliability rates and reduces maintenance.

“This is all about the resources this frees up and not about any individuals, who we value very highly,” Mr. Wynne said. “We see that we have higher reliability and consolidated equipment so we will not need as many people as we do today.”

The cuts become a matter of business and fiscal sense leading the Air Force to become a more lethal and agile force, he said.

“These Airmen didn’t come to the Air Force to add expense, they came to make themselves more valuable and the Air Force more valuable,” Mr. Wynne said. “We treasure every one of them, and as we go forward we want to retain highly qualified people to manage this better Air Force we are designing.”

The mission of the Air Force has dictated and always will dictate the direction the Air Force takes when it comes to equipment and personnel.

“Our senior leaders and unit leaders must look at these cuts and ensure we can accomplish the mission,” he said. “We need to ensure we retain the right caliber and quantity (of Airmen) to make the mission happen today, tomorrow and forever.”





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Can you believe this? Here we are at war, and the Adminstration is talking of cutting 40,000 Air Force positions. (And that's full time equivalent positions, if Reservists are included in those numbers, the actual manpower cuts could be larger).

This is just like during Gulf War I, only then there was the excuse of the fall of the Soviet Union, Warsaw Pact, etc. Now there is the modernizing Red Chinese, in addition to the Iranians and other Muzzies who just want to kill Infidels, especial the Great and Lessor Satan (the US and the Jews respectively), even if they make martyrs of their entire country.

At some point, you do less with less, not more with less. We are already doing less than we should be doing, IMHO.

1 posted on 04/28/2006 9:16:39 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato
At some point, you do less with less, not more with less. We are already doing less than we should be doing, IMHO.

I think this will drop the AF under 300,000 personnel. They better hope that we don't get caught in a real big shoot'n air war, or we may find ourselves get spread too thin.

2 posted on 04/28/2006 9:23:17 PM PDT by demlosers
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To: El Gato

My main objection to Rumsfeld (apart from acquisition) is that he is trying to fight the war on the cheap.

Maybe it is just me, but I haven't been part of very many overmanned units during my USAF career. And the regular deployments take a toll.

So now we're cutting 40,000 people, and trying to get rid of planes with a lot of service left in them - because otherwise the Defense budget might go over 4% of GDP? Maybe even hit 4.1, or 4.2%?

Well, those things happen in a war - but most Americans don't know anyone involved in the war. And most haven't sacrificed squat all.


3 posted on 04/28/2006 9:25:00 PM PDT by Mr Rogers
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To: El Gato

"Adminstration is talking of cutting 40,000 Air Force positions"



Ironically, these are the jobs Americans WILL do!


4 posted on 04/28/2006 9:25:41 PM PDT by oldbill
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To: El Gato
"...some of the business costs reside in the targeted reduction of 40,000 full-time equivalent positions over the next five years to meet future budget constraints."

This article is interesting but it doesn't really explain how these constraints are coming into effect over the next five years. From the article it appears that it's the Air Force that is planning to make these personnel cuts, not the administration.

What this article doesn't explain is what exactly is driving the budget "constraints". Since this is Air Force planned I'd say it's more likely that the Air Force is looking at major weapons system purchases and plan on partially paying for them our of hide...personnel hide.

5 posted on 04/28/2006 9:29:43 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: demlosers
What they do is get rid of uniforms and turn that work over or out source to contractors at a much higher price.

I understand some of this work is going overseas to some Middle Eastern countries, does anyone know if that is true?

I understand that Bush just signed a contract to allow some country in Dubai to furnish us with airplane and tank parts.

All this downsizing and out sourcing scare the hell out of me.

I would have expected this from Hellary or any socialist antiAmerican Democrat.
6 posted on 04/28/2006 9:31:43 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: CWOJackson

There are several aspects that one must laugh at.

First...here we are cutting 40,000 bodies...after the last round of BRAC, which is simply the cart before the horse. With 40,000 less bodies...I could have cut at least 10 more bases off the list (either overseas or state-side)...but these guys aren't smart enough to think of that.

Second...in the vast number of cases...the requirements of the 40,000 don't really go away...they simply become contractor requirements which you end up paying in some fashion later. Always remember...contractors cost more than Airman Snuffy.

Third...there are AEF or deployment cycles with mandatory fill's required...so who will fill these? Answer...instead of 8 cycles...we go with 7 cycles...which means just a faster chance of you going for 120 days deployed...every two years.

Fourth...historically speaking (because we've seen it over and over)...they will get the cream of the cream amongst the guys who want to get out...who become highly paid contractors. The guys who typically stay in or fight to stay...have a higher percentage of "catfish" (guys who swim at the bottom of the pond and really don't contribute much to the air force).

So its a lose-lose-win situation...a term which only Rummy would use. He has to save money somewhere...so why not just cut? He isn't really planning for the next war...he is simply against the next budget cut...so don't think for a minute that this 40,000 is the end. By summer of 2007...we will be working on the next cut dream...probably another 40,000. The Chinese and Iranians have little to worry about.


7 posted on 04/28/2006 9:40:29 PM PDT by pepsionice
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"The secretary of the Air Force recently talked about how the Air Force intends to meet those force reductions and the impact on Airmen."

It's not the Administration, Congress or Secretary Rumsfeld driving this personnel reduction...it's the Air Force itself.

You notice the article doesn't say anything about budget "reductions", it talks about budget "constraints" over five years.

The services work on a five year zero based budget process. Each annual budget is zero based (no growth) and extended out five years in advance, then they adjust the current fiscal year to reflect the actual budget given them.

It's the Air Force that is saying they will have to cut 40,000 to meet "constraints"...in other words, they're putting some major additional spending priorities into their budgets that bust the bank and they have to come up with an in-house way to pay for it. It's also a form of coercion that works sometimes (this is nothing new); they make unpopular threats in the hopes that Congress will relent and chock up additional funds to pay for their new toy.

A good example is the way the Coast Guard used to deal with anticipated budget "constraints". They would announce that in order to meet these "constraints" they were going to have to close down Air Station Chicago (two whole rescue choppers but to a budget the size of the Coast Guard's it added up) and a few other high profile units...always in the districts of Congressmen with clout and vocal constituents.

It usually worked.

8 posted on 04/28/2006 9:52:38 PM PDT by CWOJackson
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To: El Gato
blame Bush and the massive entitlement programs he passed to bankrupt the country in < 20 years.

God help us if the Democrats ever hold power then you're gonna see the shit hit the fan with more entitlements & high taxes like back in Jimmy Carter days!!

9 posted on 04/28/2006 9:57:57 PM PDT by prophetic
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To: CWOJackson
This article is interesting but it doesn't really explain how these constraints are coming into effect over the next five years. From the article it appears that it's the Air Force that is planning to make these personnel cuts, not the administration.

Oh, please. They are making these plans based on guidance from DoD, which means guidance from the SecDef (and the SecAF, who is the one making the statements, who is also a political appointee of George W. Bush.

I work on an Army post, and we recently got notice that they are cutting the janitorial service. Now the contractor who provides that service can't be paying those little Korean ladies (mostly GI wives and/or former wives) all that much. They are cutting back from cleaning (floors only execpt in the latrines) once a week, to every other week, and now only cleaning the latrines.(Little Army lingo there, the Air Force, at least the units I was in, calls them "heads" just like the Navy). They already require the much more highly paid engineers, operations analysts and so forth to carry out their own trash. There will no longer be any periodic (about quarterly) carpet shampooing either. It's just penny wise and pound foolish. I sort of expect them to ask my contractor team to be reduced from 3 people to 2. Guess who's the most recent "hire"? (ALthough I wasn't hired for the job, I was drafted by my manager at the parent company,for which I'd worked for 5 1/2 years at that point).

They had to get the Commanding General's permission to backfill a secretary's position after the incumbent retired! There seems to some sort of hold on new service/support contracts as well. They, the Army, also cut one project by about 1/2, in order to continue to fund another. IMHO, the project cut was showing more promise than the one retained. Plus they are always getting cuts and witholds during the year, some of which get restored later, but the cuts cause replanning efforts, which further delay the project(s) concerned, not to mention eating up $$ for no return.

10 posted on 04/28/2006 10:21:46 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: OKIEDOC
What they do is get rid of uniforms and turn that work over or out source to contractors at a much higher price.

Well not necessarily, they are cutting support contracts as well. They did what you indicate some time ago, although most of the jobs the contractors do would have been done by civil service employees, not uniformed troops. With some exceptions, such as gate guards and some maintenance activities.

11 posted on 04/28/2006 10:24:37 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

Personally I would rather see more young men in uniform.


12 posted on 04/28/2006 10:30:27 PM PDT by OKIEDOC (There's nothing like hearing someone say thank you for your help.)
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To: OKIEDOC
I understand that Bush just signed a contract to allow some country in Dubai to furnish us with airplane and tank parts.

Not quite, the company that made those parts is being sold to a Dubai concern. Not quite the same thing, the parts will likely continue to be made where they were before,just under different, foreign, ownership. BTW, Dubai is a country, sort of, it's actually part of the United Arab Emerites. In some sense it's like a state under the old Articles of Confederation.

13 posted on 04/28/2006 10:32:37 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: El Gato

If you remain locked into fighting the last war then you may have a valid point, however, the Air Force is being dragged kicking and screaming into the new century where the service faces dramatic changes in technology,tactics and geographical locations.

1. The F-22 and the F-35 will be the last manned Fighter/Ground attack aircraft to be manufactured in the US.

2.Within 10 yrs UAV's(Unmanned Aerial Vehicles) will rule the skies.

3.Given the above time frame the accuracy of JDAM will increase and enable the penetrator to strike a quarter from 65,000 ft.

4. The locations of current US air bases such as Italy,Germany,Turkey,UK,Japan and Korea are money pits. Time to move on.

5.The close air support role will revert to the Army and Marines.

After you climb out of your B-17 to buy a camel saddle and Meerschaum pipe at the Eskeshir Px, take a pause.The days of the ball and waist gunners,navigators,flight engineers, and bombardiers have passed.

Then you may squint your rugged eyes at the horizon were you will see changes,new aircraft,reliable robotics, increases in productivity and damn fine young men and women ready to implement them.


14 posted on 04/28/2006 10:34:53 PM PDT by managusta ("Where would we be without rules? That's right France!")
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To: CWOJackson
It's the Air Force that is saying they will have to cut 40,000 to meet "constraints"...in other words, they're putting some major additional spending priorities into their budgets that bust the bank and they have to come up with an in-house way to pay for it. It's also a form of coercion that works sometimes (this is nothing new); they make unpopular threats in the hopes that Congress will relent and chock up additional funds to pay for their new toy. A good example is the way the Coast Guard used to deal with anticipated budget "constraints". They would announce that in order to meet these "constraints" they were going to have to close down Air Station Chicago (two whole rescue choppers but to a budget the size of the Coast Guard's it added up) and a few other high profile units...always in the districts of Congressmen with clout and vocal constituents.

Those constraints come in the budget guidance that comes down to the services from DoD. It's not at all the same sort of thing as threatening to close Representative Foghorn's pet facility. These cuts will be scattered through out the force. Old Foghorn won't much care because the pain will be spread out so much, he'll likely not notice, unless one of the programs that gets the axe was in his district

15 posted on 04/28/2006 10:36:05 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: pepsionice
Always remember...contractors cost more than Airman Snuffy.

Not necessarily. Contractor costs are one time and up front. Airman Snuffy is likely to become Tech Sgt Snuffy, with a wife and kids for which medical costs will have to be paid, and Master Sergeant Snuffy probably expects to retire someday as well, with an ever increasing retirement pay. (Contractors have medical coverage and retirement too, both usually stinky, especially for support contracts which are periodically re-competted). Contractors retire too of course, but at much older ages. Too, MSgt Snuffy is likely to become one of those contractors after he retires, and may be willing to take less pay and benefits since he has his military retirement.

It's not all cut and dried, and it's complicated by the way Airman's Snuffy's costs are budgeted and paid out. Airman Snuffy may appear cheaper, but that's because all of his costs aren't charged to whatever task is being considered, while the contractor's are.

The whole thing stinks, because the DoD budget, once the dominate portion of the Federal Budget, is now justove 1/3 of the "entitlements" portion.

16 posted on 04/28/2006 10:47:11 PM PDT by El Gato
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the DoD budget, once the dominate portion of the Federal Budget, is now justove 1/3 of the "entitlements" portion

Correction, I was going from memory. In FY 2004, the last for which I have data, the entitlements were 1,404.2 Billion $ while Defense was only 473.8 Billion, which is almost exactly 1/3 the entitlements amount.

17 posted on 04/28/2006 10:50:52 PM PDT by El Gato
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Always remember...contractors cost more than Airman Snuffy.

I was active duty USAF from 1990-97 and disagree that Airman Snuffy is cheaper than a contractor for certain duties. Food, Payroll, and most logistics can be handled just fine by contractors. If they don't do the job, another contractor can be found. (but there is always the danger of sweetheart deals and kickbacks). On the other hand, Airman Snuffy may become Tsgt. Snuffy after 20 years of mediocre service and retire.. the taxpayer is on the hook to fund him for another 20-40 years in retirement... it's cold hearted, but that is what smaller government entails. Transformation is painful, but it is needed.

18 posted on 04/28/2006 10:52:22 PM PDT by operation clinton cleanup
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3.Given the above time frame the accuracy of JDAM will increase and enable the penetrator to strike a quarter from 65,000 ft.

If the rest of your observations are as accurate as this one, then they aren't even worth that quarter. There all sorts of constraints on a JDAM, some of them due to physics. GPS guided munitions will never be that accurate, and command or beam rider types probably won't either. Altitude has little to do with the accuracy of guided weapons, which is determined by end game effects.

Being a "wild eyed" optimist (so my employers have always told me), usualy involved in the development of those new weapons and/or support systems, rather than as a direct support contractor, as well as having served as a USAF officer back in the dark ages, and then as a reservist under Ronald Reagan, I think I'm probably as qualified to judge such things as you are likely to be.

Not only that, but I've seen this syndrome before, during the Carter years, and to a much lessor extent during the later part of Bush I. The cuts, which lead to a hollow force, are always justified pretty much as you have done. Yeh the new systems are good, but their numbers are way too small. It's not just a bunch of Mad Mullahs and Angry Ayatollahs we must be prepared to fight and overcome.

19 posted on 04/28/2006 10:59:50 PM PDT by El Gato
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To: OKIEDOC
Personally I would rather see more young men in uniform.

So would I, but the cost comparisons are not as simple as some would have it. Even the military and DoD civilians green eyeshade types at the lower levels don't always appreciate that they are comparing apples and mangoes when they compare the costs of contractors verse uniformed military or (their preference) civil service employees.

20 posted on 04/28/2006 11:02:15 PM PDT by El Gato
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