Posted on 04/29/2006 4:53:59 AM PDT by governsleastgovernsbest
by Mark Finkelstein
April 29, 2006
Give Ellen Ratner credit for consistency - if not for logic. For the second week running Ratner used her 'Long & Short of It' platform on Fox & Friends Weekend to tout her solution to the immigration problem - sheer surrender in the form of 'open borders'. Here is Ratner's rant on the same subject from last week's show.
Ratner: "I want to say again . . . I know it gets a lot of mail, why I am in favor of really having open borders between Canada and Mexico, because there is not going to be a way -- you will have lots of -- "
A palpably shocked Kiran Chetry, hosting the segment, interjected: "Open borders? Who else is saying open borders besides you?"
Ratner: "I may be the only one in the world. I will continue to say it."
Ratner's conservative counterweight, Newsday and TCS columnist Jim Pinkerton, explained the consequences of Ratner's proposal:
"If we have open borders we won't have a country. America will cease to exist. The 250-year experiment in democracy will stop. I disagree with you Ellen. I think most people do. Most Democrats do."
Ratner had no reply to Pinkerton's seemingly unassailable logic, focusing instead on the politics of the matter: "I understand most Democrats want an election-year issue. Face it. You can have all the power point presentations [you want] about closing borders and if you need people to pick . . . tomatoes they will come through. Period."
By the way, to answer Kiran's question, I can cite at least one other person promoting open borders. On last week's edition of 'Right Angle,' the public-access TV show I host in Ithaca, a Cornell campus radical, Danny Pearlstein, also advocated open borders.
He even managed to up the anarchistic ante on Ellen, taking the position that not only should we open our borders, we shouldn't screen people for criminal backgrounds . . . or even for being active members of Al-Qaida! Now, I wouldn't expect Ratner would go that far, but these are the eccentric circles in which Ellen swims!
Fox & Friends Weekend/NewsBusters ping.
The Dems and RINOs may not have the guts to come right out and say it, but that's what they're supporting.
"Ratner: "I may be the only one in the world. I will continue to say it.""
No dear, the nice folks over at the CFR beat you by years. They must have needed someone to start honking the totally open borders theme and picker Ratner.
Bush is so concerned about the borders of Iraq 10,000 miles away and he ignores the borders IN our own country.
I bet he get's an eye-opener on Monday.
I'd bet he knows exactly what will happen, and will continue to keep quiet about it. Being the *globalist* that he is, he doesn't care what the 'sheeple' think, as long as the results suit his goals.
Didn't work for France. But if 43 and the RINOs aren't educable, the party'll pay for it at the ballot box.
Ellen Ratner need to have that bottle taken from in front of her and have a frontal lobotomy.
Ellen Ratner is a fool.
He certainly will. Monday is going to change this nation.
Right on....... and George is a tool too.
It's all theatre.
No it's not. And you know it.
This needs to be repeated again and again, the MSM must stop saying May 1 is the "great American march" There is absolutely NOTHING Great about this militant defiant act of terroism!
Think back in history who marched into countries and took them over?
On March 15,1935
http://www.historyplace.com/worldwar2/triumph/tr-rhine.htm
HISTORY REPEATING ITSELF???
That's what is happening on May 1 here in the Free World, these illegal aliens and all their suppporters which includes leaders of a third world country to march in defiance of all we hold dear and no one is denouncing or stopping them!!
Amnesty by any other name...
It's going to be a very upsetting mid-term election for the GOPers and RINOs, this November, IMO.
You appear to be one of those with a shoe-size IQ who will replace the GOP because they give you what you don't want, with Democrats, who will give you MORE of what you don't want.
The good news is that the Pubbies at least have a history of learning from their mistakes. Which is why I may very well pulling the lever for some Dems in November.
And you too. If you put in the Democrats, you will have to live with it, too.
LOL!! You are punishing yourself.
If you'd care to apologize and engage in a discussion that doesn't degenerate into personal insults, I'd be happy to discuss the subject further. If not, don't ping me again.
I'm not the admin mod, but I did post this thread, and would ask that people abide by FR rules prohibiting personal insults.
I'm sorry Kiren interrupted her. I was really interrested in hearing Ratface's reasoning for open borders.
OK. Will do. Tell them to stop trashing Bush. That's all we see on this website anymore are threads put up and the Bush-haters take over.
Thanks.
I'll be voting GOP, as usual, but not straight party line as I've always done.
But when it comes to the subject of national security, for me, that is NOT negotiable. And it seems to me that 43 and the RINOs in Congress have abrogated their responsibilities when they support amnesty.
And if that continues, I will indeed vote Dem in the hopes the if the Pubbies are drubbed hard enough, they'll learn from their mistakes. And if the Dems do win, we'll gird our loins and muddle through 'til the Pubbies grow a brain.
Good point!
If the Pubbies aren't made to pay for mistakes, they'll keep repeating them. And there won't be a ha'penny's worth of difference between the two parties.
Well , that'll secure the borders for sure!
Ellen Ranting Ratner must have been recalling the previous week's TalkingPoints Memo. She seems to have missed the new TalkingPoints Memo that has the Dems (ala Howard Dean) trying to move to the right of Bush's position. Hillary got the memo and she has already changed her position, again, for the 3rd time in the last year. Dems will continue to make it appear that they are to the right of the GOP on the immigration issue until the November election.
Ellen needs to catch up.
To take this one step further, it would also mean there would no longer be a Mexico or Canada, we'd all be just one big happy family. Maybe the United States would become the United Countries of North America. I can see some twisted logic in this scenario being as the USA is the most powerful of the 3.
If they don't pay for them, then by their reasoning they haven't made mistakes. We have to remember who we're dealing with here. I would like to think that at least some pubbie politicians are different from the degraded 'rat faction, but I grow increasingly skeptical as time goes on.
I don't know how happy it would be. We have surprisingly little in common with mexico, once you get past the "democratic" window-dressing and the putative common ground of European historical influence. If we think the leftwing crackpots in the US are difficult now, imagine having to deal with the authoritarian plutocrat a-holes who have ruled mexico for the last century or more.
You are exactly right. Open borders with Mexico is the silent, unspoken, and often denied agenda, but it's the agenda nevertheless, and it has been since we formed an economic union (i.e. NAFTA) with Mexico. Pinkerton is correct. When the 100,000,000 Mexicans join the 280,000,000 Americans (Estadounidenses, if you prefer,)we will become an entirely different country.
I'm sorry Kiren interrupted her. I was really interrested in hearing Ratface's reasoning for open borders."
Interesting to note that someone in the media was unaware of one of the MAJOR agenda issues of the 'movement'. Not only is the media NOT reporting what even Ellen Ratner admitted to, but they are seemingly unaware, despite the signage displayed at their many recent protests. I saw this segment and it prompted my e-mail to them:
Fox & Friends:
Please advise viewers that Ellen's view was NO
exception regarding OPEN BORDERS. American's MUST be told that the agenda (DEMANDS) of the illegal
immigrants, their supporters, and their organizers is:
IMMEDIATE LEGALIZATION OF ALL IMMIGRANTS and NO BORDERS.
Please look at this website, it's message and it's
photos from the March 25 rally. This group,
mexica-movement, is one of the main organizers for
these protests. A sample of their protest signage is
below. Despite the american flags, PLEASE read their
message and advise Fox viewers. They deserve to know that Ellen's support of NO BORDERS...IS their agenda.
http://www.mexica-movement.org/granmarcha.htm
OUR CONTINENT, NOT YOURS
STOLEN CONTINENT
WE ARE INDIGENOUS, THE ONLY OWNERS OF THIS CONTINENT
IF YOU THINK Im ILLEGAL BECAUSE I'M MEXICAN, LEARN THE
TRUE HISTORY BECAUSE I'M IN MY HOMELAND
THIS IS STOLEN LAND
CONTINENTE ROBADO
ITS OUT CONTINENT, STUPID MINUTEMEN
WHITE RACISTS, THIS IS OUR CONTINENT
........................
I have often heard interviewers 'call out' those who refuse to use the word 'illegal'. The explanation given by 'movement' representatives on tv is usually one of a 'human rights' nature, "no humans are illegal". But the real reason is that they do not consider themselves to be here in our country illegally and are determined to take back what they believe to be theirs and stolen from them.
I have backed Bush 100%, including Dubai because after much research I agreed with him and did not believe the deal to be a threat to our national security.
But I have always been concerned that even after 9/11 NO one, from either party, has put politics aside and made an effort to secure our borders. The immigration issue is the first time I have parted opinions with GWB and frankly, I am disappointed that he has taken the side he has, rather than listening to those of us who have long supported him. On this issue, I do not trust his leadership and I am saddened by that because I know that if this issue causes a loss in November, the democrats WILL impeach him and as a result, WILL force our troops to surrender in Iraq, end terrorist surveillance and the patriot act, and will not effectively continue to fight what they call "Bush's" war on terror.
That is, roughly, what CAFTA and NAFTA are designed to do.
What do you expect from someone who has turkeys for pets?
Yeah, until this wonderful economy tanks and we have lines of unemployed people lined up around the block, which is something an entire generation has never seen. I am old enough to recall when companies had big signs on their doors or windows that stated, "Not accepting applications". Everyone is in for one heck of a shock when the good times stop rolling and we have millions of illegals to take care of in addition to our own people.
One day they're criminals in fear of an ICE roundup. The next day, they're 'guest workers', with no fear of arrest.
Why isn't that amnesty?
AMNESTY: the act of an authority (as a government) by which pardon is granted to a large group of individuals
Maybe I should have left out the "happy family" bit. I was being sarcastic.
Exactly right!
As well, logic has nothing to do with anything for libs. They don't use it. In fact, they disregard it when others do. It's all agenda driven and most of that is about as well thought through as a skydiver that wants to go skydiving for the first time but forgets the chute.
It's all theatre, the plans have been laid out for decades. These two political parties are pretty much a bad, impolite joke. It's almost better to try to laugh at their lame behavior.
See post # 4.
I don't mean to sound rude .. but what the hell does that mean??
Or better yet ..
Does Ratner even know what she is talking about?
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