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China ignores Vatican over bishop (Chinese gov't ordains its own Catholic bishop)
BBC ^ | April 30, 2006

Posted on 04/30/2006 5:20:46 AM PDT by NYer

The state-controlled Catholic church in China has ignored the Vatican's wishes and ordained a new bishop.

Father Ma Yingling was ordained as bishop of Kunming at a ceremony in the southwestern Yunnan province on Sunday.

The Vatican had called for a delay in the appointment over concerns the bishop is inexperienced and too closely aligned with China's communist regime.

The Chinese Church does not recognise the Vatican's power to appoint bishops, causing tension between the two sides.

Trying to force the clergymen to carry out the ordination ceremony before the (Roman Catholic) Church's approval would be deliberately wrecking China-Vatican negotiations


Cardinal Joseph Zen

Many recent appointments however had been approved by both sides.

Father Ma was shown on Hong Kong cable television wearing a bishop's hat and waving to crowds.

A procession of clergy in white robes had earlier entered a church building, as dancers performed outside.

The request to postpone Father Ma's ordination had been made by the Vatican-appointed Roman Catholic Bishop of Hong Kong, Cardinal Joseph Zen.

He said the Vatican needed more time to assess Father Ma's qualifications.

"Trying to force the clergymen to carry out the ordination ceremony before the (Roman Catholic) Church's approval would be deliberately wrecking China-Vatican negotiations," he told Hong Kong radio.

Taiwan links

Cardinal Zen has been at the forefront of recent efforts to improve relations between Beijing and the Holy See.

China has both a state-sanctioned Roman Catholic church but also a bigger, unofficial church that is loyal to the Pope.

According to China's authorities the state-sanctioned church has about four million members, while the Vatican says the Roman Catholic Church there has some 10 million worshippers.

China has said it would like better relations with the Vatican, but insists that first the Holy See must cut its diplomatic links with Taiwan.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Culture/Society; Foreign Affairs; Government; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: bishop; catholic; ma; ordination; vatican; zen

1 posted on 04/30/2006 5:20:50 AM PDT by NYer
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To: american colleen; Lady In Blue; Salvation; narses; SMEDLEYBUTLER; redhead; Notwithstanding; ...
Missing from the article is "who" performed the ordination. A Chinese government official?

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2 posted on 04/30/2006 5:22:52 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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Reason number 4821 to dislike the CHICOM government.


4 posted on 04/30/2006 5:40:13 AM PDT by TXBSAFH (Proud Dad of Twins, What Does Not Kill You Makes You Stronger!!!!!!)
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To: NYer
Interesting that China would have done this when a compromise seemed possible and when it was appearing as though they were trying to improve relations. China does things like this to send a message and the message is probably that they are still firmly in control over such things. But why now? china law
5 posted on 04/30/2006 6:48:59 AM PDT by ChinaLawBlog
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To: NYer
Missing from the article is "who" performed the ordination. A Chinese government official?

Jadot?

6 posted on 04/30/2006 6:55:39 AM PDT by Nihil Obstat
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To: NYer

So much for the Vatican thinking it could dance with the devil.


7 posted on 04/30/2006 7:01:53 AM PDT by Robert Drobot (Da mihi virtutem contra hostes tuos.)
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To: NYer

BTTT!


8 posted on 04/30/2006 7:43:53 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: NYer

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China ignores Vatican over bishop (Chinese gov't ordains its own Catholic bishop)

9 posted on 04/30/2006 7:45:21 AM PDT by Salvation (†With God all things are possible.†)
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To: Nihil Obstat

Lol!


10 posted on 04/30/2006 8:22:08 AM PDT by NYer (Discover the beauty of the Eastern Catholic Churches - freepmail me for more information.)
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How long before the true Catholic Church is driven underground in America?

Within 20 years according to Cardinal George.

11 posted on 04/30/2006 9:21:06 PM PDT by Barnacle (There is no shortage of bigoted ignorami eager to believe the worse about Catholics)
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To: Barnacle

Very possible.

Perhaps the Lord intends to winnow out the chaff. Perhaps He intends to give us the most important choice of all. Life, or Death.


12 posted on 05/01/2006 2:19:11 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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To: ChinaLawBlog
Indeed. An excellent question.

Going by past experience I suspect we see the results of a power struggle of the sort inherent to Communism.

Perhaps a PLA anti-Shanghai faction? Perhaps an anti-rural faction? Perhaps a Gang of Four like faction? Maybe those so upset by Falun Gong? Hmm.
13 posted on 05/01/2006 2:28:18 AM PDT by Iris7 (Dare to be pigheaded! Stubborn! "Tolerance" is not a virtue!)
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