Posted on 04/30/2006 10:19:15 AM PDT by jmc1969
The two are NOT mutually exclusive. I think he's both.
He thought they deserved it because they did not understand what they were doing.
In a previous post you said, "He (the father) cannot forgive for his son."
During the crucifixion, Christ and His Father behaved in a way which is in direct contradiction to your reasoning.
Did President Bush send Berg to the place where he was kidnapped? I don't think so. He put his own self in harms way. I would only forgive zarqawi when his head was rolling down the street and about sixty million muslims were fried.
I agree that this guy is an idiot for forgiving Zarwhehaw. But about forgiveness...forgiveness as taught by Jesus means to let go of the expectation of punishment and justice. To tell someone that you forgive the debt of justice that they owe but that they still must pay is to make your forgiveness meaningless. If you want justice, seek justice. If you want to forgive, then forgive. But don't seek justice while pretending to be forgiving at the same time.
If I have to pay, I am unforgiven my debt. If you forgive me let me go.
Matthew 18:23-33
23"Therefore, the kingdom of heaven is like a king who wanted to settle accounts with his servants. 24 As he began the settlement, a man who owed him ten thousand talents was brought to him. 25 Since he was not able to pay, the master ordered that he and his wife and his children and all that he had be sold to repay the debt.
26"The servant fell on his knees before him. 'Be patient with me,' he begged, 'and I will pay back everything.' 27 The servant's master took pity on him, canceled the debt and let him go.
28"But when that servant went out, he found one of his fellow servants who owed him a hundred denarii. He grabbed him and began to choke him. 'Pay back what you owe me!' he demanded.
29"His fellow servant fell to his knees and begged him, 'Be patient with me, and I will pay you back.'
30"But he refused. Instead, he went off and had the man thrown into prison until he could pay the debt. 31When the other servants saw what had happened, they were greatly distressed and went and told their master everything that had happened.
32"Then the master called the servant in. 'You wicked servant,' he said, 'I canceled all that debt of yours because you begged me to. 33Shouldn't you have had mercy on your fellow servant just as I had on you?'
I wanted to add that forgiving the impenitant is also meaningless.
Berg is mad. Where is the foregiveness for George Bush? Berg blames Bush not Zarqawi. Berg hates Bush not Zarqawi. All this talk from Berg about Zarqawi is BS.
No. His father can forgive him for having killed his son.
Christ commanded that His followers forgive once forgiveness was asked and true repentance was shown. This monster who murdered this guys son has done neither.
I am a parent, and I would not forgive anyone who didn't truly ask for it, and then change their ways.
As far as going 'mad', I'm quite capable of killing someone without anger. In fact, anger screw up your thought process making one prone to mistakes.
Forgiveness isn't some trinket you hand out like candy to children. It's a serious matter and this fool debases it with his actions.
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I never said forgiveness is not a good thing, or anything near that. I did say that from Mr. Berg's actions, he appears not to have forgiven Bush, but rather is bitterly attacking him as the killer of his son while paying public lip service to forgiveness so he can win in a political campaign. Grace and forgiveness are free, but not cheap, and not phoney. Re-read my posts before you criticize please.
Not to be a jerk, but what has Bush done that he needs to be forgiven for?
I think I understand you, but I think you are in error.
Forgiveness is cancelling the debt of justice that is owed.
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/news/1624178/posts?page=125#125
Nothing as far as I'm concerned. But Michael Berg sees things differently. He blames Bush for the death of Nick Berg.
He can't be any worse than Delaware's current Congressman, mega-RINO Mike Castle.
my intent was not to criticize you. I apologize if that was how it came across. He said he has forgiven Bush, that is all that I meant. I don't know whether he means it or not. To me it doesn't matter, I don't think much of him either way. I do feel bad for his suffering and hope for his sake that his forgiveness is genuine and that he can move on.....just not into a political position.
My definition of forgiveness is just letting go of anger and hatred towards someone who has injured you. It happens in your heart, and does not have any further implications. I could forgive someone for causing me injury, and still support an appropriate legal penalty for the action. I see them as 2 entirely different types of forgiveness. Just my opinion of course.
That's fine if he wants to forgive Zarqawi. It does NOT mean that Zarqawi should not still be punished for his actions.
I could never forgive and I could never forget.
I would rather die trying to find and dispatch, any soulless animal that did that to one of my loved ones.
George Bush did nothing to be 'forgiven' for. Nicholas Berg was not a soldier who would be under orders from George Bush as Commander in Chief to go to Iraq. Nicholas had no business being there. His decision to go placed him in jeopardy. I wonder if Michael has forgiven Nicholas for doing such a stupid thing.
I'm not being flippant here. Sometimes parents have a hard time dealing with the deaths of children who had made really stupid decisions which caused their deaths. Forgiving them their immaturity or bad judgement sometimes lets them let go of their children more easily, and eases their minds.
Forgiveness is a matter of cleaning the heart. Jesus said "love your enemy"...it has nothing to do with dispatching the enemy or not. It just means don't become infected with hatred.
Everyone knows the better fighter keeps his head...anger/hatred is a bad motivator.
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