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Boston Globe ^ | April 30 2006 | Peter Dizikes

Posted on 05/02/2006 4:37:41 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist

BACK IN 2001, Harvard president Lawrence Summers used his inaugural address to identify an especially significant problem he believed the university was facing. Harvard, said Summers, was failing to teach science to its undergraduates.

"We live in a society, and dare I say a university," Summers proclaimed, where few people would confess to not having read any plays by Shakespeare or to not knowing the meaning of the categorical imperative, but where it is all too common and all too acceptable not to know a gene from a chromosome or the meaning of exponential growth." With Summers-an accomplished economist not shy about touting the virtues of quantitative thinking-on the loose in Harvard Yard, that seemed likely to change.

Instead, when Summers leaves office this June, his vision of making all Harvard undergraduates more science-literate will remain unrealized. A special university committee installed to revamp the undergraduate curriculum declined to require new science classes. Certainly this outcome is partly due to Summers's own troubles at Harvard-including his loss of clout after making controversial remarks about women and science in 2005-as well as the institution's traditional resistance to change. Yet Harvard's lack of response to its president reveals a problem larger than local campus politics.

It is easy to say Americans, even those graduating from elite universities, lack scientific knowledge. But it is hard to define what science literacy consists of-and harder still to know how universities can impart it to, say, English majors. Does science literacy mean knowing a roster of facts or concepts? Having a sense of the scientific method? Appreciating the history and philosophy of science? Being competent in math, the lingua franca of the sciences? All of the above?

(Excerpt) Read more at boston.com ...


TOPICS: Culture/Society; Miscellaneous; US: Massachusetts
KEYWORDS: harvard; highered; science; scienceeducation
Very interesting three-part article in the Boston Globe. Click on the link for more.
1 posted on 05/02/2006 4:37:44 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist
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To: RightWingAtheist

I have two degrees and took minimal science. I did learn enough to understand basic science issues and Michael Crichton novels.


2 posted on 05/02/2006 4:48:56 PM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: GeorgefromGeorgia

I think that people in general need to have enough basic knowledge in science to get an idea of concepts like the shaky scientific basis for all the "global warming" nonsense; the relative risks involved in use of nuclear power vs. fossil fuels; the energy consequences of adding ethanol to gasoline; the environmental consequences of adding any oxygenated compounds to gasoline, for just a few.


3 posted on 05/02/2006 5:12:07 PM PDT by vvpete (Chemists have solutions....)
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To: RightWingAtheist
....after making controversial remarks about women and science in 2005.....

His remarks were not controversial. They were made controversial by the hard left professors who wanted to get rid of him. It was similar to what happened to Trent Lott while ignoring Robert Byrd, what they do to Bush and Cheney while ignoring Clinton and Gore, what they did to DeLay while ignoring corrupt Democrats, and on and on.

If the media didn't make them serious, the lefts' claims would first be laughable and then boring, but instead they are made into crises rather than objectively considered.

Larry Summers got a raw deal from his leftist buddies and few have yet to correct the perception.

The left does not want a more literate populace. They want an indoctrinated populace.

4 posted on 05/02/2006 6:35:12 PM PDT by Mind-numbed Robot (Not all that needs to be done, needs to be done by the government.)
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To: RadioAstronomer; Right Wing Professor; Right Wing Assault; snarks_when_bored; Quark2005; ...

I don't if this is worthy of pinging the entire crevo list, but I think the issue of public scientific literacy is relevant enough to most of you to merit a ping.


5 posted on 05/02/2006 6:47:39 PM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist; b_sharp; Ichneumon; longshadow; CarolinaGuitarman; Thatcherite; Coyoteman; ...
don't if this is worthy of pinging the entire crevo list, but I think the issue of public scientific literacy is relevant enough to most of you to merit a ping.

Good article, but probably not for the whole list. I'll ping "the few," which will overlap with many of those you've already pinged.

6 posted on 05/02/2006 6:54:50 PM PDT by PatrickHenry (Unresponsive to trolls, lunatics, fanatics, retards, scolds, & incurable ignoramuses.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

This problem goes back a long way. It has always been acceptable for non-science majors and faculty to not understand science, but it has always been required that scientist understand the arts, music, history, English, Psychology, Social Pseudoscience and a bevy of other fields.

Perhaps it is because science has the reputation of being "difficult" and perhaps it is the result of the incredible jargon overload in science and perhaps it is the scientists themselves.

But it has been that way for a long time.


7 posted on 05/02/2006 8:18:31 PM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: furball4paws
Perhaps it is because science has the reputation of being "difficult" and perhaps it is the result of the incredible jargon overload in science and perhaps it is the scientists themselves.

Science is difficult! It takes study, research, quantitative thinking, all those kinds of things. Maybe even (shudder) mathematics!

Easier to be a lawyer or MBA.

(And that's just what the country needs is more lawyers and MBAs. Choke!)

8 posted on 05/02/2006 10:01:39 PM PDT by Coyoteman (Creationists know Jack Chick about evolution.)
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To: RightWingAtheist

When I tell people I was a physics major they go on and on about how they hated math/science and couldn't understand it. Others nod their heads approvingly.

Were I to say the same about literature, art, and music, they would see me as a uncultured barbarian. (But they still want me to fix their computers when they can't.)



9 posted on 05/03/2006 2:45:16 AM PDT by Right Wing Assault ("..this administration is planning a 'Right Wing Assault' on values and ideals.." - John Kerry)
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To: vvpete

Yes. Have you read "State of Fear?"
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0061015733/sr=1-3/qid=1146657340/ref=pd_bbs_3/103-4119710-1017408?%5Fencoding=UTF8&s=books


10 posted on 05/03/2006 4:55:04 AM PDT by GeorgefromGeorgia
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To: Coyoteman; furball4paws
Math class is hard!


11 posted on 05/03/2006 6:07:53 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: Right Wing Assault
I'll be frank: I love science, and have since I was a little kid. But I have dyscalculia, and even if I didn't, I'm still too butterfingered to be an experimental physicist (which was specifically what I wanted to be when I was a kid; theoretical physics involving just a pen and paper sounded too boring for me). So since I couldn't be a scientist, my goal now is to marry one, so that when I have kids, they'll have at least one role model to look up to. Anyone got Lisa Randall's phone number? :P
12 posted on 05/03/2006 6:14:29 AM PDT by RightWingAtheist (Creationism is to conservatism what Howard Dean is to liberalism)
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To: RightWingAtheist

I give you Lynn Margulis, one of Evolution's most famous ladies and not bad looking when she was young. But she was also married to Carl Sagan and their pillow talk must have been very strange.

Here's some info:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lynn_Margulis

However, you'd be better off just finding a woman that "fits" you - not an easy proposition. The kids will do what they want, but you can hope.


13 posted on 05/03/2006 8:30:34 AM PDT by furball4paws (Awful Offal)
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To: PatrickHenry
Being competent in math, the lingua franca of the sciences? [emphasis added]

Hmmmmmm, now where have I heard that phrase before.....?

;-)

14 posted on 05/03/2006 11:17:57 AM PDT by longshadow (FReeper #405, entering his ninth year of ignoring nitwits, nutcases, and recycled newbies)
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To: RightWingAtheist
Nice article that hasn't gotten the attention it deserves here.

I recall that all Arts&Science majors at my (very typical) university were required to pass only very basic math (statistics) and of the 4 required elective categories, only 1 spanned the 'hard sciences' (and joke courses like 'Physical Science 101' passed as part of this requirement).

Tell me, what's typically more difficult - a 300-level mathematics class (like differential equations) or a 300-level history class?

If you ask me, a college program in psychology, art, sociology, history, English, philosophy, etc. should be just as rigorous as ones in the hard sciences (and they could be) - might go a long way to restoring credibility to those fields and weed out the potentially unqualified. People that can't handle it shouldn't major in one of the 'classical subjects'.

15 posted on 05/05/2006 8:42:04 AM PDT by Quark2005 (Confidence follows from consilience.)
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