The victims of the two most notorious genocides of the 20th century (Jews and Armenians), and the two middle eastern minorities most intensely reviled by their muslim neighbors (Jews and Kurds) are genetically related.
FYI.
Kurdistan is the one place in Iraq that is thriving. Just like Israel made a modern, western oasis in the desert, the Kurds are doing the same thing in the mountains.
Interesting point.
Technically Arabs and Jews are also genetically related.
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Shortly after, it was determined that 53 percent of the Buba clan of the Lemba people of southern Africa have the CMH, compared to 9 percent of non-Buba Lembas. The Lembas claim descent from ancient Israelites, and they follow certain Jewish practices such as circumcision and refraining from eating pork, and for many geneticists and historians the genetic evidence seemed to verify their claim.
aka the Bubba clan, he get's in everywhere.
It's interesting but you can also look at the data the other way - that the Jews are an amalgam of various splinters of the Hebraic peoples - some of whom became Israelites, while others went on to become Kurds, Armenians, etc.
This looks ideology-driven to me. The Palestinian Arabs are really the South Syrians. I would like to see data -- which I didn't find even alluded to in the article -- about how different the Palestinian Arabs are from the Syrians from a DNA-analysis perspective.
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I thought the Kurds were the descendants of the ancient Medes and therefore Indo-European. But since the Ten Lost Tribes were initially exiled by the Assyrians (northern Mesopotamia) then I suppose they left some genetic evidence behind. I'm not comfortable with the whole "lost tribes" ideology, however.
Now that you mention it, that is kinda odd.
Kurds seem to be, relative to the region of course, thriving as well.
Also, interesting sidenote:
The genetic populations that have the highest chance of red hair: Anglo-Saxons (last I heard, it was actually higher than celtic chance), celtic, Western Russians, Ashkenazic Jews and Swedes (but not Norwegians or Finns, particularly).
This genetic research is very interesting. There are still a lot of discoveries to be made, I think.
The assumption has always been that Jews and Arabs are semitic people, and of course the tradition is that Arabs descend from Ishmael, who is the rejected son of the Bible but the chosen son of the Qran. It's one of the important factual points on which the Qran cannot be reconciled with the Bible. Which is to say that, from both a Christian and a Jewish perspective, Islam is false and heretical.
Ishmael was a wanderer, and the Bedouin are wanderers. But I'll be curious to see the results of further research into these areas.
"In short, the CMH is a genetic marker from the northern Middle East which is not unique to Jews. However, its existence among many Kurds and Armenians, as well as some Italians and Hungarians, would seem to support the overall contention that Kurds and Armenians are the close relatives of modern Jews and that the majority of today's Jews have paternal ancestry from the northeastern Mediterranean region."
The bible, and later migrations of people, can, together tell us why this is so (Kurds and Jews are closely related).
The Bible identifies the birthplace of Abram (Abraham) as Tell al-Muqayyar (ancient city called Ur). It lies near the city of Nasiriyah in the southwestern floodplain of the Tigris and Euphrates Rivers, 140 miles south of Babylon.
So, there are two possibilities.
One of those possibilities is that while Abraham went south out of the area (Iraq), the later building and destorying of various empires in the area, led his closest relatives that remained in Ur, to migrate north, into what is now the Kurdish area and Armenia.
The other possibility is that the ancestors of Abraham began in the Kurdish area and migrated down to Ur before he was born.
But, either way, what seems to have allowed the gene pool of Kurds, Jews and Armenians to retain the markers of their closely related ancestry is that all three groups have always, like Abraham's descendents, resisted total assimilation into those around them.
There may even be very ancient and common religious components as to why those three groups have resisted assimilation.
We have Abraham's version that he carried with him, but maybe in the deep recesses of Kurdish and Armenian folk-lore, some spiritual commonality with Abraham can also be found.
I guess that's another discussion.
Bump for later. Looks interesting.
A more recent label for Eu9 is J2a and a more recent label for Eu19 is R1a1.
You may find other variants for the designations of haplogroups, but the various "R" haplogroups are very common in Europe and "J" is common among Jews but also some other populations. "I" is also common in parts of Europe--I and J go back to a common ancester, IJ...way back (tens of thousands of years ago).
