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France Wants Moussaoui Back
Captain's Quarters ^ | May 4, 2006 | Captain Ed

Posted on 05/04/2006 8:06:24 AM PDT by 68skylark

The French have apparently not let the ink dry on the jury submission from yesterday's sentencing recommendation in the Zacarias Moussaoui trial before starting to interfere with its implementation. Le Monde reports today that French officials have contacted the US in hopes of transferring Moussaoui to France in order to serve his sentence (h/t: CQ reader Leo T):

n éventuel transfèrement de Zacarias Moussaoui en France, contre qui un jury américain a requis la prison à perpétuité, pourrait être examiné dans le cadre de conventions judiciaires avec les Etats-Unis, a affirmé jeudi le ministère des Affaires étrangères français.

"La France et les Etats-Unis d'Amérique sont liés par deux conventions sur le transfèrement des personnes condamnées, une convention bilatérale du 25 janvier 1983 et une convention du Conseil de l'Europe entrée en vigueur le 1er juillet 1985", a déclaré à la presse le porte-parole du Quai d'Orsay, Jean-Baptiste Mattéi.

My high-school French is rather poor these days (thank heaven for BabelFish!), but the gist of this report is that France wants to rely on two bilateral conventions to extradite Moussaoui when sentencing is complete. They wish to explore the transfer of the al-Qaeda terrorist to French custody to serve out his sentence, supposedly under American law, but with an eye towards their own brand of justice. The conventions mentioned in the article date to 1983 and 1985, and give specific processes for the transfer of French citizens convicted in American courts, as well as the reverse.

The French show the minimum respect for American sensibilities by announcing they will wait until after the formal sentencing today to request this extradition. Moussaoui's mother has publicly pressed the Chirac government to allow the erstwhile terrorist to serve his sentence nearby, and to do so as soon as possible.

This is a small taste of what would have occurred if the jury had given Moussaoui the death penalty. The French government would have given this much more visibility even today had that occurred, and it would have continued for years until we executed the supposedly mentally ill terrorist. As it is, if the French want to confirm American opinion of their nation, then they should by all means pursue this diplomatic effort. It will give us plenty of opportunity to remind the Chirac government of its lack of fidelity in its pledge to support us if we went back to the Security Council just once more on Iraq. We can also talk about all of the bilateral efforts between Paris and Baghdad that undermined the sanctions regime, sent military arms to Saddam Hussein, and paid bribes and kickbacks to the Ba'athist regime that Oil-For-Food specifically sought to sideline.

If the French get their hands on Moussaoui, we will only wake up a few years later to French pronouncements of miracle cures and rehabilitation, and watch the video of the AQ terrorist gleefully leaving the French prison over the protests of the American government. We do not wish to rely on French tenacity in the war on terror; we learned that lesson a long time ago. Let the French try to invoke whatever treaties they want to request Moussaoui's extradition, and let them stomp their feet when we tell them to pound sand.


TOPICS: Crime/Corruption; Foreign Affairs; War on Terror
KEYWORDS: france; moussaoui
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To: wizardoz

Maybe we could make it even cheaper and send him a digit at a time?


21 posted on 05/04/2006 8:16:34 AM PDT by livius
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To: wmileo

Works for me......


23 posted on 05/04/2006 8:18:38 AM PDT by Fighting Irish
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To: wizardoz

Translation from Babelfish

To send somebody as is very expensive to him. Can we give you half of him this week, and other half the next week?

HAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Split him longwise, we'll send the LEFT half first!


24 posted on 05/04/2006 8:19:15 AM PDT by Shimmer128
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To: 68skylark

Wasn't it just recently that a handful of terrorists escaped from a French prison? Pound sand is right!


25 posted on 05/04/2006 8:20:05 AM PDT by TheSpottedOwl (I care for my pets better than Vincente Fox cares for his own citizens)
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To: 68skylark

I think we should send him back to France after we hang him.


26 posted on 05/04/2006 8:20:34 AM PDT by arthurus (Better to fight them OVER THERE than here.)
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To: 68skylark

27 posted on 05/04/2006 8:20:49 AM PDT by BulletBobCo
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To: Shimmer128
Don't they have any møøslimbs of their own to surrender to???
28 posted on 05/04/2006 8:20:50 AM PDT by null and void (Hillary!™ would have been a big astronaut. Say that slowly)
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To: Shimmer128

He is after all a French citizen.

Doesn't matter if he's French or not. He committed a crime here and he pays here. First one to try him, gets to sentence and imprison him first. After he serves all six life sentences, THEN France can have him!


29 posted on 05/04/2006 8:21:25 AM PDT by Shimmer128
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To: 68skylark

Captain Ed put it very well but I just hope we tell them to pound sand.


30 posted on 05/04/2006 8:22:25 AM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: 68skylark

MARK TWAIN had the French down pat in the Eighteen Hunderdss


A French married lady cannot enter even a menagerie without bringing the purity of that menagerie under suspicion.
- Mark Twain's Notebooks and Journals, Notebook #19, July 1880-January 1882

The objects of which Paris folks are fond--literature, art, medicine and adultery.
- - speech at the Stanley Club in Paris, ca. April 1879

France has neither winter nor summer nor morals--apart from these drawbacks it is a fine country.
- Mark Twain's Notebook

I like to look at a Russian or a German or an Italian--I even like to look at a Frenchman if I ever have the luck to catch him engaged in anything that ain't delicate.
- Extract from Captain Stormfield's Visit to Heaven


France has usually been governed by prostitutes.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

A Frenchman's home is where another man's wife is.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

M. de Lamester's new French dictionary just issued in Paris defines virtue as: "A woman who has only one lover and don't steal."
- quoted in A Bibliography of Mark Twain, Merle Johnson

In Paris they just simply opened their eyes and stared when we spoke to them in French! We never did succeed in making those idiots understand their own language.
- The Innocents Abroad

There is nothing lower than the human race except the French.
- quoted by Carl Dolmetsch, Our Famous Guest

It is human to like to be praised; one can even notice it in the French.
- "What Paul Bourget Thinks of Us"

In certain public indecencies the difference between a dog & a Frenchman is not perceptible.
- Notebook #17, October 1878 - February 1879

It appears that at last census that every man in France over 16 years of age & under 116, has at least 1 wife to whom he has never been married. French novels, talk, drama & newspaper bring daily & overwhelming proofs that the most of the married ladies have paramours. This makes a good deal of what we call crime, and the French call sociability.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

French are the connecting link between man & the monkey.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

Trivial Americans go to Paris when they die.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

It is the language for lying compliment, for illicit love & for the conveying of exquisitely nice shades of meaning in bright graceful & trivial conversations--the conveying, especially of double-meanings, a decent & indecent one so blended as--nudity thinly veiled, but gauzily & lovelily.
- Notebook #18, Feb.- Sept. 1879

...anywhere is better than Paris. Paris the cold, Paris the drizzly, Paris the rainy, Paris the damnable. More than a hundred years ago somebody asked Quin, "Did you ever see such a winter in all your life before?" "Yes," said he, "Last summer." I judge he spent his summer in Paris. Let us change the proverb; Let us say all bad Americans go to Paris when they die. No, let us not say it for this adds a new horror to Immortality.
- letter to Lucius Fairchild, 28 April 1880, reprinted in Mark Twain, The Letter Writer

An isolated & helpless young girl is perfectly safe from insult by a Frenchman, if he is dead.
- Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883

A dead Frenchman has many good qualities, many things to recommend him; many attractions--even innocencies. Why cannot we have more of these?
- Notebook #20, Jan. 1882 - Feb. 1883


31 posted on 05/04/2006 8:22:36 AM PDT by HuntsvilleTxVeteran ("Remember the Alamo, Goliad and WACO, It is Time for a new San Jacinto")
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To: MARKUSPRIME

"We know he will be released after a few years."

I would release him because he wouldn't make it to the parking lot...


32 posted on 05/04/2006 8:22:42 AM PDT by Revenge of Sith
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To: 68skylark
Moussaoui needs to be sent to a tough prison, not put into solitary confinement, but as a regular prisoner in with all inmates - let nature take its course.

The first thing that is going to happen while this terrorist lives is that some poor soul will be kidnapped, whose life will be threatened unless Moussaoui is released...count on it.

Second the continued cost of keeping this beast incarcerated, appeals etc. is astronomical...the jury has unleashed not only an expense to the taxpayer but one that will be used against us. How I wish they had asked for his death…Political Correctness is a killing disease that is killing America.

33 posted on 05/04/2006 8:22:48 AM PDT by yoe (Aim low boys, they're riding Burros.........................)
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To: TheSpottedOwl
Wasn't it just recently that a handful of terrorists escaped from a French prison?

There was a mass escape from a prison in Yemen, but no escape from a French prison that I can recall.

Not long ago Germany released a terrorist who killed an American after the bad guy was in prison about 7 years -- the Germans said he fully served his "life" sentence. The same thing would happen in France if we give back Moussaoui.

34 posted on 05/04/2006 8:23:28 AM PDT by 68skylark
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To: 68skylark

The French can have him back when he's served out his sentence.


35 posted on 05/04/2006 8:23:41 AM PDT by Liberty Valance (So long Danny - gone but not forgotten)
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To: rightwinggoth

If they want him they better pay the American government for his trial expenses and cost of his maintenance!


36 posted on 05/04/2006 8:23:58 AM PDT by Bitsy
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To: 68skylark

French prisons are no day camp. I'm incline to send him back as another way to piss on the french.


37 posted on 05/04/2006 8:24:07 AM PDT by zek157
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To: rightwinggoth
Agreed. If I understand it correctly, there is no such thing as the sentence of "life imprisonment without the possibility of parole" under EU law. IIRC, the EU sentence of "life imprisonment" comes out to about 20 years before the criminal is released.

Wasn't there a flap in the last few months about the release and deportation of an imprisoned terrorist in Germany (Bavaria, if memory serves correctly) who had drawn a life sentence but who actually served a much shorter period of confinement?
38 posted on 05/04/2006 8:25:11 AM PDT by Captain Rhino (If you will just abandon logic, these things will make a lot more sense!)
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To: 68skylark
How long until Nelson Mandela visits Moussaoui for hugs, kisses and to demand his transfer to a muslim nation - as he did for the Pan-Am 103 Arab terrorist now in a (deluxe) Scotland prison.
39 posted on 05/04/2006 8:25:24 AM PDT by dagnabbit (George Bush deported my children to Amerexico.)
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To: Shimmer128

If we have signed treaties and agreements then I believe as most other Americans that we should send him back to France.


One pound at a time.


40 posted on 05/04/2006 8:26:24 AM PDT by Jambe ( Save the Cows ! -- Eat a Vegan !!!)
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