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Navy Chaplain May Face Court-Martial For Praying
KNBC, Los Angelas ^ | 4:39 am PDT May 4, 2006 | Associated Press

Posted on 05/04/2006 9:14:42 AM PDT by DesScorp

NORFOLK, Va. -- A chaplain stationed at Naval Station Norfolk said he could face court-martial for praying in uniform outside the White House.

Lt. Gordon Klingenschmitt said he prayed at a March 30 protest opposing Department of Defense rules forbidding military chaplains from invoking the name of Jesus Christ.

He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues.

The issue seems to hinge on whether his praying at the event was permissible participation at a bona fide religious service. Klingenschmitt is rejecting non-judicial punishment in favor of trial by court-martial.

In addition, he's filing a complaint against the Navy claiming the threat of punishment against him amounts to religious harassment and he's appealing to the White House to end what he claims are the military's attempts to take reprisals against a whistle-blower.

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TOPICS: Constitution/Conservatism; Culture/Society; Government; Miscellaneous; News/Current Events; US: Virginia
KEYWORDS: chaplain; christians; courtmartial; klingenschmitt; norfolk; prayer; usn
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A policy against invoking the name of Jesus Christ? In the CHAPLAIN CORPS???

What the hell is wrong with the DOD? Who is setting these assinine policies? This is pure idiocy, not to mention an attack on freedom of religion in the armed forces. One size fits all chaplains, for all faiths? Standing orders not to invoke the name of God, be it Jesus Christ, Yaweh, or Allah? For CHAPLAINS?

My grandmother says the Devil is very busy lately. Maybe I should start believing her...
1 posted on 05/04/2006 9:14:43 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

Chaplains can't pray? Maybe we just don't need chaplains any longer in the armed forces. Maybe we can just get by with imams.


2 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: DesScorp

We are such a soft people...


3 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: DesScorp

This is not true. Chaplain Klingenschmidt is a liar and a publicity hound. I think the guy's off his rocker.


4 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:54 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: DesScorp

Misleading headline. Chaplain on trial for disobeying a direct order.


5 posted on 05/04/2006 9:20:15 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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To: DesScorp
This guy is not telling the truth. He is in trouble for (a) jumping the chain of command several times, (b) badmouthing a deceased for not being of his denomination--at the command memorial service (aka "conduct unbecoming").
6 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:24 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: Yo-Yo
Yeah, Civil Disobedience only works when you're a Civilian.
7 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:30 AM PDT by Borges
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To: DesScorp

I heard this guy on Hannity spewing all of his lies and then after he hung up they put on his Command Chaplain who refuted every single charge that he made. The Command Chaplain stated in no uncertain terms that he is a Christain and that when he prays he does so to and in the name of Jesus Christ and he would expect that all his Christian chaplains do as well.


8 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:39 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: xzins

chaplain ping


9 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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To: DesScorp
He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues.

Generally, military personnel are not to bring their troubles to the press in uniform.

10 posted on 05/04/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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Can you actually get in trouble for complaining to an Officer higher then your immediate CO?
11 posted on 05/04/2006 9:22:55 AM PDT by Borges
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"He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues."

The headline to this story is very misleading. So before everyone gets too upset, read the article, or at least the quote from it I have posted above my comment. The Chaplain is not on trial for "praying".

12 posted on 05/04/2006 9:23:29 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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One size fits all chaplains, for all faiths? Standing orders not to invoke the name of God, be it Jesus Christ, Yaweh, or Allah? For CHAPLAINS?

IIRC, the order was not to invoke a specific diety during non-religious ceremonies, i.e. an opening prayer at a change of command.

Not all that unreasonable if you think about it, a chaplain has to minister to all faiths not just their own denomination.

13 posted on 05/04/2006 9:23:39 AM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues

Right.

14 posted on 05/04/2006 9:24:50 AM PDT by conserv13
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To: pgkdan

Ouch, that's also a conduct unbecoming charge. This guy is hell-bent on causing trouble. Almost makes me wonder if he's got a book written or ghost-written, just waiting for WND Press to publish it?


15 posted on 05/04/2006 9:25:38 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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To: DesScorp
As I understand it Chaplians in the military must perform services for all types of religions, right? According to another article, "Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity".

This issue came about because a chaplain at the Air Force Academy (who I think was evangelical) kept invoking Jesus Christ's name during a prayer. Because of complaints by Jewish cadets, the Air Force created stricter guidelines that said Chaplians must offer only "nonsectarian" prayers. As I understand it, that is what the role of a Military Chaplain is right?

16 posted on 05/04/2006 9:26:17 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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This is not true. Chaplain Klingenschmidt is a liar and a publicity hound. I think the guy's off his rocker.

Uh...have you got a link for your information?

17 posted on 05/04/2006 9:27:18 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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To: Borges
Can you actually get in trouble for complaining to an Officer higher then your immediate CO?

If you do not go through your immediate CO first? Absolutely. It's an abrogation of your CO's command authority. ("You will respect your skipper's authori-TAAH!")

He did this while afloat, to boot--and a ship's captain is the last of the absolute monarchs. The Navy's culture isn't that different than that portrayed in "Master and Commander."

18 posted on 05/04/2006 9:27:46 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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What I do find to be incredible is that they have told chaplains not to proselytize on duty.

Just unbelievable.

I believe your main mission as a Christian minister is to bring people to Christ, whether you are a chaplain or not.

What are they supposed to say, "Oh, I believe in Christ, but don't take that as an invitation to come to my services."


19 posted on 05/04/2006 9:27:47 AM PDT by Nabber
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To: DesScorp

My understanding is he has a problem praying as he wants to by saying in Jesus Name; however, he's probably gone about this the wrong way.

Having said that, I've always found the chaplain service a bit silly. Having a Catholic priest pray for a muslim on his deathbed because there isn't an imam available...is just stupid.

The more of a devout believer you are the more silly it is to have another faith "bless" you on your way out of the world.

The best answer is to let catholics teach catholics/protestants preach to protestants/mulims to muslims/etc...

Then just hire the correct number based the number of military members that subscribe to that faith. If we dont' have your faith...sorry choose a more mainstream religion or learn to practice on your own.


One issue this guy is talking about is that he's not allowed to pray "In Jesus Name"...it has to be a generic prayer at community events. So that does bring up a sticky situation. I always prayed in Jesus Name, but what would I think if I was a banquet and the Priest prayed through Mary? Or a Muslim prayed to Allah.


20 posted on 05/04/2006 9:30:07 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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