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A policy against invoking the name of Jesus Christ? In the CHAPLAIN CORPS???

What the hell is wrong with the DOD? Who is setting these assinine policies? This is pure idiocy, not to mention an attack on freedom of religion in the armed forces. One size fits all chaplains, for all faiths? Standing orders not to invoke the name of God, be it Jesus Christ, Yaweh, or Allah? For CHAPLAINS?

My grandmother says the Devil is very busy lately. Maybe I should start believing her...
1 posted on 05/04/2006 9:14:43 AM PDT by DesScorp
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To: DesScorp

Chaplains can't pray? Maybe we just don't need chaplains any longer in the armed forces. Maybe we can just get by with imams.


2 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by mlc9852
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To: DesScorp

We are such a soft people...


3 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:16 AM PDT by samadams2000 (Somebody important make The Call.....pitchforks and lanterns.!)
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To: DesScorp

This is not true. Chaplain Klingenschmidt is a liar and a publicity hound. I think the guy's off his rocker.


4 posted on 05/04/2006 9:18:54 AM PDT by pgkdan
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To: DesScorp

Misleading headline. Chaplain on trial for disobeying a direct order.


5 posted on 05/04/2006 9:20:15 AM PDT by Yo-Yo (USAF, TAC, 12th AF, 366 TFW, 366 MG, 366 CRS, Mtn Home AFB, 1978-81)
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This guy is not telling the truth. He is in trouble for (a) jumping the chain of command several times, (b) badmouthing a deceased for not being of his denomination--at the command memorial service (aka "conduct unbecoming").
6 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:24 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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I heard this guy on Hannity spewing all of his lies and then after he hung up they put on his Command Chaplain who refuted every single charge that he made. The Command Chaplain stated in no uncertain terms that he is a Christain and that when he prays he does so to and in the name of Jesus Christ and he would expect that all his Christian chaplains do as well.


8 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:39 AM PDT by pgkdan
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chaplain ping


9 posted on 05/04/2006 9:21:43 AM PDT by ShadowAce (Linux -- The Ultimate Windows Service Pack)
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He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues.

Generally, military personnel are not to bring their troubles to the press in uniform.

10 posted on 05/04/2006 9:22:27 AM PDT by BeHoldAPaleHorse ( ~()):~)>)
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"He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences in support of personal or religious issues."

The headline to this story is very misleading. So before everyone gets too upset, read the article, or at least the quote from it I have posted above my comment. The Chaplain is not on trial for "praying".

12 posted on 05/04/2006 9:23:29 AM PDT by Chena (I'm not young enough to know everything.)
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One size fits all chaplains, for all faiths? Standing orders not to invoke the name of God, be it Jesus Christ, Yaweh, or Allah? For CHAPLAINS?

IIRC, the order was not to invoke a specific diety during non-religious ceremonies, i.e. an opening prayer at a change of command.

Not all that unreasonable if you think about it, a chaplain has to minister to all faiths not just their own denomination.

13 posted on 05/04/2006 9:23:39 AM PDT by cryptical (Wretched excess is just barely enough.)
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As I understand it Chaplians in the military must perform services for all types of religions, right? According to another article, "Muslim, Jewish and Roman Catholic chaplains are likewise told not to pray in the name of Allah, in Hebrew or in the name of the Trinity".

This issue came about because a chaplain at the Air Force Academy (who I think was evangelical) kept invoking Jesus Christ's name during a prayer. Because of complaints by Jewish cadets, the Air Force created stricter guidelines that said Chaplians must offer only "nonsectarian" prayers. As I understand it, that is what the role of a Military Chaplain is right?

16 posted on 05/04/2006 9:26:17 AM PDT by trashcanbred (Anti-social and anti-socialist)
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My understanding is he has a problem praying as he wants to by saying in Jesus Name; however, he's probably gone about this the wrong way.

Having said that, I've always found the chaplain service a bit silly. Having a Catholic priest pray for a muslim on his deathbed because there isn't an imam available...is just stupid.

The more of a devout believer you are the more silly it is to have another faith "bless" you on your way out of the world.

The best answer is to let catholics teach catholics/protestants preach to protestants/mulims to muslims/etc...

Then just hire the correct number based the number of military members that subscribe to that faith. If we dont' have your faith...sorry choose a more mainstream religion or learn to practice on your own.


One issue this guy is talking about is that he's not allowed to pray "In Jesus Name"...it has to be a generic prayer at community events. So that does bring up a sticky situation. I always prayed in Jesus Name, but what would I think if I was a banquet and the Priest prayed through Mary? Or a Muslim prayed to Allah.


20 posted on 05/04/2006 9:30:07 AM PDT by for-q-clinton (If at first you don't succeed keep on sucking until you do succeed)
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It sounds like a JAG office policy. Military JAG's are loaded with ACLU types even in Iraq. The Bush DOD has failed to clean out the clintonista's in this area as well as most other critical areas of government. That's the primary reason we find JAG's bringing charges against combat troops for killing terrorists. For the skeptics who may challenge this statement, check with any young military lawyer with JAG experience.


26 posted on 05/04/2006 9:40:17 AM PDT by kimosabe31
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You know, I'm really getting sick and tired of this crap. We have millions of illegals in the streets, and God knows all the other horrors out there and this military officer is afraid of charges being brought because he's praying. These know-it-all big shots in the DOD should get out the Old Testament. God will not honor those who do not honor Him. I wouldn't want to go into battle without Him, would you?
29 posted on 05/04/2006 9:44:00 AM PDT by PrepareToLeave
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Unfortunately this President has not yet purged our military of the Clintonistas appointed during the Clinton administration to practice "social engineering." They had a "captive" audience and a large budget to play with. ...very sad state of affairs and more evidence that liberalism is a mental disorder.


31 posted on 05/04/2006 9:47:47 AM PDT by olezip
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Absolute Madness: Navy Chaplain on trial for Praying

Please do not change headlines.

33 posted on 05/04/2006 9:54:11 AM PDT by Admin Moderator
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A chaplain in the military busted, persecuted and prosecuted for praying?

Are chaplains now also subject to "Don't ask, don't tell"?

Beam me up, Scotty...

35 posted on 05/04/2006 9:58:02 AM PDT by Publius6961 (Multiculturalism is the white flag of a dying country)
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To: DesScorp

If he is its rightly so.. its one thing to protest a policy, its another to do it in uniform at a press conference... he violated rules, no different than if an active duty person showed up in full uniform at a pro abortion rally.

This sort of activity is clearly against the rules.


37 posted on 05/04/2006 10:10:37 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: DesScorp

Believe your grandma.


39 posted on 05/04/2006 10:12:43 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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Navy Chaplain May Face Court-Martial For Praying

He's accused of violating an order not to appear in uniform at news conferences

Today's big news is that the Los Angeles office of NBC is staffed by liars that know how to fire up the ain't-it-awful crowd at the freerepublic.

[yawn]

40 posted on 05/04/2006 10:18:40 AM PDT by expat_panama
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