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B'ham News Compares Use of Term "Illegals" to Using the N-Word (Barf Alert)
The Birmingham News ^ | 5/04/06 | John Archibald

Posted on 05/04/2006 1:57:19 PM PDT by subaru

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To: steve8714

Not as much as once before. I grew up 60 miles NE of B'ham.


61 posted on 05/04/2006 3:15:13 PM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians and the U.S. Government are liars, cheats and thieves, in it for their own gain.)
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To: Doctor Raoul

"Tio Taco"

I'm so glad you asked someone old enough to remember! Back in the unlamented late 60's, black Americans who were not filled with hatred for whites, and believed in peaceful dialogue, were denounced by the militants as "Uncle Toms" (from the 1859 abolitionist novel).

During the same period Mexican-Americans who failed to join the militant Chicano movement were denounced as "Tio Taco's", an imperfect rhyme with `Uncle Tom', equally insinuative of subservience to the white majority.


62 posted on 05/04/2006 3:25:01 PM PDT by elcid1970
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To: subaru

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It came from a Hispanic kid at Hayes High School, a girl named Juanita who wrote it a while back and gave it to Nancy Rhodes. It was part of an exercise dealing with the damage caused by ethnic jokes and stereotypes. The words, the horrid words, spelled out the insults Juanita *would expect* from those who dislike her skin tone, her heritage, her accent enough to hate her before they even get to know her.
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"Would expect", so we can assume that she never actually heard such insults? In other words playing the guilt game when there is nothing to be guilty about.


63 posted on 05/04/2006 3:46:21 PM PDT by evilC (Call me Krusty)
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To: evilC

I really should read the comments before posting! My point was already made by others.


64 posted on 05/04/2006 3:48:36 PM PDT by evilC (Call me Krusty)
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To: okie01
And that's presuming the reporter didn't invent Juanita, in the first place. Frankly, I smell a column created out of wishful bong smoke...

My thoughts exactly...

65 posted on 05/04/2006 3:53:36 PM PDT by TLI (ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA, Minuteman Project AZ 2005, Texas Minutemen El Paso, Oct and April 2006)
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To: subaru

Classic "Marketing of Evil" ploy but truth is truth no matter how some try to twist it. Fools beware.


66 posted on 05/04/2006 4:12:30 PM PDT by drypowder
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To: subaru; All

Well .. their comparison doesn't work.

The "N-word" was a derrogatory slang word about a person of a certain race.

The word "illegals" is a PROPER WORD for people (of any race or color or nationality) who SNEAK INTO THIS COUNTRY ILLEGALLY.

This is just more of the left's pandering to try to make the rest of us change our minds on "ILLEGALS".

It's not changing mine.


67 posted on 05/04/2006 6:13:30 PM PDT by CyberAnt (Drive-by Media: Fake news, fake documents, fake polls)
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To: evilC
My point was already made by others.

That's all right ... this "insults she would expect" nonsense is so appalling, it deserves all the scorn that can be heaped on it.

68 posted on 05/04/2006 6:20:30 PM PDT by Oliver Optic
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To: subaru
This was actually printed in a real newspaper?

If you really want to insult someone call them a journalist.

69 posted on 05/04/2006 6:22:05 PM PDT by TigersEye (Sedition and treason are getting to be a Beltway fashion.)
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To: subaru
"The quote, to be fair, did not come from a redneck hillbilly bent on driving Hispanics back whence they came.""

/rant on

As I was born and lived in Kentucky the first 25 years of my life, I consider myself a "Hillbilly". I now live amongst my close brethren, the above listed "Rednecks", in central Florida. We definitely are of different backgrounds and different cultures, but share a common foundation of being "Red Blooded Americans". We speak a little different and have a slightly different accent, but we have a common ancestry and will both bring arms to bear to defend this nation, foreign or domestic. That is not a threat, but a fact. Rednecks and Hillbillies, (I prefer the capitalization of these cultural diverse ethnic Americans), will stand shoulder to shoulder in any conflict to defend this great nation.

Why should John Archibald get a pass when disrespecting our culture and heritage to write a "touchy-feely" article denouncing this nations citizens to promote an illegal alien's fear of what she might "expect" to be said about her. This is an outrage. I have never disrespected anyone of another nationality, race or religious beliefs. Well, I did read the Koran and found some passages worthy of disrespect, so I'll qualify my statement. I have never made fun of or disrespected someone their nationality, race or cultural heritage as long as they don't threaten me or my family. Seriously, I just visited my local corner store and asked the proprietor which Hindu god he worshiped. He is a nice guy, my friend of several years and no threat to this nation.

Now, I have to endure my cultural heritage being "dissed" by this author so he can look good in his reader's eyes. He says, "Illegals" is now the epithet of choice. Just use it in place of the n-word." Well, I find offense when Mr. Archibald refers to "redneck hillbillies" and doesn't know the difference between the two.

Illegal is a word. Words have meanings and "feelings" are for liberals. Redneck and Hillbilly are words, too. In this author's own words, "Just use it in place of the n-word." (See how easy it is to be one of the offended you politically correct idiots?)

As a side note. I married a foreign girl 24 years ago. She is still a citizen of another nation and has had no desire to relinquish her citizenship... until now. All these illegals demanding their "right" to be an American has made her angry, too. I married my wife on foreign soil and had to leave her behind for over 2 months until our paperwork was completed to bring her "home". I have every right to call an illegal alien "illegal".

/rant off

70 posted on 05/04/2006 7:09:42 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: isrul

"Trying to make this a discussion about "immigrants" is the red herring. The people in question are aliens. They are here illegally. Illegal is accurate, appropriate, and in some cases, way too kind."


It occurred to me the other day that the media have used a two step process to falsify the english language regarding illegal immigration.


First, they changed "illegal immigrant" to "undocumented immigrant". Then they dropped the "undocumented" part.

Thus they first turned a truth into a half truth, and then turned the half truth into a lie.


I am going to reread 1984 and see if Orwell predicted such a "two step" approach toward linguicide. I wouldn't be surprised if I find that he anticipated this particular approach toward falsifying the language.


71 posted on 05/04/2006 8:16:43 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: RetiredArmy

Black people here in the liberal state of California don't like illegal immigration one bit.

It would strike me as bizarre that black people in the conservative deep south would be to the left of their counterparts in California.

I have a hard time the rank and file black people of Birmingham agree with the article.


72 posted on 05/04/2006 8:19:52 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: DocRock


The funny thing is, I don't even see that the term "illegal alien" carries a very strongly negative connotation.

To me it is a mildly negative term, which I believe matches the reality of the situation.


What I consider a REAL slur is the word "Senator".


73 posted on 05/04/2006 8:22:25 PM PDT by lsjogren
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To: lsjogren

Yeah well, the local B'ham media can be stunningly ignorant of their constituency. For example, the local Fox affiliate's sports guy attributed the turnout for Monday's rain-delayed race at Talladega to all of the people participating in the immigration boycott who came to the track just to have something to do.


74 posted on 05/04/2006 8:52:51 PM PDT by subaru
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To: lsjogren
"The funny thing is, I don't even see that the term "illegal alien" carries a very strongly negative connotation."

To me it is a mildly negative term, which I believe matches the reality of the situation.

Nor do I. The term is benign. I cannot find an example where it is an epitaph such as the "N" word.

The author of this pile of crap dishonored true Americans with the terms "redneck hillbilly" to theoretically insult the illegal alien and try and associate the descriptor "illegal alien" with the unacceptable "n-word". Truly a disgusting attempt to destroy our society by changing definitions.

75 posted on 05/04/2006 8:53:26 PM PDT by DocRock
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To: subaru

John Archibald should be insulted to be called a newsman.


76 posted on 05/04/2006 10:00:35 PM PDT by doug from upland (Stopping Hillary should be a FreeRepublic Manhattan Project)
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77 posted on 05/04/2006 10:04:51 PM PDT by kcvl
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78 posted on 05/04/2006 11:28:16 PM PDT by devolve ((----Kimberly Guilfoyle - bicoastal or another thespian?))
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To: subaru

These Police Officers Needed A 'Day Without Immigrants'
By Dave Gibson (05/03/2006)

Despite the false rhetoric spilling from the mouth of our internationalist president, not every illegal alien comes here simply to work. In fact, many Mexican invaders come here to cause mayhem in our streets. Illegal aliens account for 30 percent of the U.S. prison population. One effect illegals have on our nation which you will not hear reported by the leftist media is the murder of many U.S. police officers...However, you will hear it from me!

On Sept. 30, 1992, Oregon State Trooper Bret Clodfelter (age 34) stopped a suspected drunk driver who turned out to be an illegal alien named Francisco Manzo-Hernandez. The drunken driver was traveling with two of his fellow invaders. Trooper Clodfelter handcuffed the driver and placed him in the back seat of his cruiser.

As all of the men were drunk and the state trooper offered to drive the two passengers home. For his kindness, Clodfelter was shot in the head four times. All three illegals fled the scene and were captured a few days later.

Trooper Clodfelter served with the Oregon State Police for eight years and left behind a wife, son, and daughter. A further tragedy took place a year after the trooper's murder. Rene, his grief-stricken wife of only one month took her own life.

On March 26, 1999, Phoenix Police Officer Marc Atkinson (age 28) was shot and killed by illegal alien Felipe Petrona-Cabana. Officer Anderson was ambushed by Cabana while on routine patrol. Cabana was traveling with two other illegal aliens and carrying a pound of cocaine. An armed citizen named Rory Vertigan witnessed the shooting and helped capture the Mexican outlaws.

Officer Atkinson served on the Phoenix Police Department for five years. He left behind a wife and an infant son.

On April 29, 2002, Los Angeles Sheriff's Deputy David March (age 33) was shot to death by illegal alien Armondo Garcia. Invader Garcia told friends that he wanted to kill a police officer. Garcia saw Deputy March on patrol one evening and pulled over and waited for March to drive past him. As soon as March began to pass, Garcia opened fire. The Mexican national fled back across the border after murdering March.

For four years, the government of Mexico refused to apprehend or extradite Garcia. This past February, U.S. Customs officers arrested Garcia in Mexico. Unfortunately, cop-killer Garcia is still awaiting extradition back to the U.S.

Deputy March served with the Los Angeles Sheriff's Department for seven years and left behind a wife and stepdaughter.

On August 9, 2002, U.S. Park Ranger Kris Eggle (age 27) was killed by Mexican drug dealers while on duty in Arizona's Oregon Pipe Cactus National Monument Park. Ranger Eggle was attempting to apprehend two Mexican drug dealers, after being notified by Mexican authorities that the two had crossed the border and were headed into the park. One of the drug dealers opened fire on Ranger Eggle with an AK-47. Eggle died before a medivac helicopter arrived on the scene. Mexican police officers shot and killed Eggle's murderer.

U.S. Park Ranger Eggle left behind his grieving parents and his sister (also a U.S. Park Ranger).

On November 13, 2005, Dallas Police Officer Brian Jackson (age 28) was shot to death by illegal alien Juan Lizcano. Officer Jackson responded to a call from Lizcano's ex-girlfriend. The illegal alien was threatening her and fired a gun inside her house. As Officer Jackson approached the house, Lizcano fled at which time Jackson gave chase. Lizcano eventually lay in wait and fired on the Dallas patrolman. Officer Jackson died one hour later at Baylor Medical Center.

Juan Lizcano had been arrested two months before murdering the police officer (once for threatening his girlfriend with a knife and again for a DUI). Lizcano had been living illegally in the United States for two years.

Officer Brian Jackson served on the Dallas Police Department for five years. He left behind a wife of only two months.

These are only a few of the stories of the human cost of illegal immigration. The next time you hear someone say "they are only here to work"...Remember these police officers who paid the ultimate price for so-called cheap labor.

*Ed: Views are those of individual authors and not necessarily those of American Daily.
http://americandaily.com/


79 posted on 05/05/2006 4:49:41 AM PDT by KeyLargo
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To: lsjogren

The "rank and file" as you call it in Birmingham, Alabama, votes one way AND ONE WAY ONLY MY FRIEND, THAT IS DEMOCRAT. They never vote anything but democrat by about a 98-2% margin. There is nothing conservative about that.


80 posted on 05/05/2006 7:48:23 AM PDT by RetiredArmy (Politicians and the U.S. Government are liars, cheats and thieves, in it for their own gain.)
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