Republican Right Abandoning Bush

MSNBC ^ | May 5, 2006 | AP

[wotan]

WASHINGTON - Angry conservatives are driving the approval ratings of President Bush and the GOP-led Congress to dismal new lows, according to an AP-Ipsos poll that underscores why Republicans fear an Election Day massacre.

Six months out, the intensity of opposition to Bush and Congress has risen sharply, along with the percentage of Americans who believe the nation is on the wrong track.

The AP-Ipsos poll also suggests that Democratic voters are far more motivated than Republicans. Elections in the middle of a president’s term traditionally favor the party whose core supporters are the most energized.

[Uncle Jaque]

At our Republican State Convention in Augusta Maine this past weekend, one of the 3 Primary Republican Gubinatorial Candidates remarked that it is better - at least more honorable - to lose because of one's principles than to abandon or compromise them in order to "win".

Unfortunately, we probably WILL lose either way, at this point, if somebody down there in Washington dosent catch a major clue ASAP.

[Badray]

LOL

In terms of 'nasty' you have me beat, but I am doing my best to keep up. You do give me a run for the money.

I didn't look for any of your comments because I know the type of things you post -- attacks and innuendo. I need not waste my time looking. That doesn't mean that I won't challenge you when you post nonsense. At least when you are getting nasty with me, you're leaving someone else alone.

[Howlin]

Yeah, sure.

[VRWC For Truth]

Well said. Bush has been AWOL domestically since 2004.

[LibLieSlayer]

You have a right to feel the way you do, and I will not try to dissuade you from your opinion. I can see that you are angry and argumentative. Rave on, but find someone that wants to argue with you... I DO NOT!

My Christianity compels me to be a Compassionate Conservative. I know what President Bush means by that statement. I am NOT for welfare, and I am not for socialism lite. I have lived through 20 or so Hurricanes, and all of the worst ones since Hurricane Betsy. I know how many lives would have been lost over the years if not for our Military and Federal help. If we can help Pakistan, India, Indonesia, and many other disaster stricken areas of the world, then we can certainly help fellow Americans in during times of extreme disaster.

I am NOT defending buying everyone homes (although temporary shelter is a must for those that need it), substituting Federal grants for Insurance, or wasteful corruption like is evident in New Orleans... I am talking about life saving Law Enforcement, Emergency Medical Care, Emergency Rations, and debris cleanup. Without these things, hundreds of thousands of people would now be dead. American Mothers, Fathers, Grandparents, Sons and Daughters would no longer be with their families. These are the reasons that we must have FEMA and Disaster Relief plans ready for ANY contingency.

You may feel that we have no business doing that, but I ask you... when you face Jesus (if you believe in HIM, if not, whatever Deity you do believe in), which decision will you want to have made? Which decision would our Forefathers have made? Since GOD and Faith are in our formal Declaration of Independence, and our Constitution; I believe that I know the answer to that.

Like I said Rave On! I will not argue against your position, but I will never have to defend it either. I have the right to fee the way that I do also.

LLS

[churchillbuff]

Zarqawi still lives's."""

So does Osama bin Laden. As the perpetrator of 9-11, he should have been the first evil one taken out. Saddam was a bit player, but we went after him instead of Osama.

[LibLieSlayer]

Thank you Sunny. GOD is what America needs a bit more of. People lack meaning in their lives, and this causes anger and discontent. If they would just look to GOD for answers, many people would be open to the miracles and blessings that happen ALL around them!

GOD Bless,
LLS

[Tarpon]

Bush is enough to make good conservatives vote dim -- well on reconsideration, probably not.

You can't treat dissatisfaction with voting. Arguments are good, mind numbed robots, like the impeachment at all costs crowd is not. In the end, conservatives will do what they always do, vote Republican. Why? The Dim is just to much too take. After that, they will go back to arguing and watching the dims stew in their own hate.

[Badray]

You and the president and each and every member of Congress can give as much as they want to alieviate the suffering of those in need. They have no legitimate authority to take money from anyone to give to another.

My God, the Lord Christ Jesus, tells me to help too and I do to the best of my ability. He doesn't tell me to put a gun in your face to fund my idea of charity and that is exactly what the government does when it taxes us to do their 'good deeds', which are more like vote buying than anything else.

You're right. You are FEELING your way through this. I'm relying only on facts. You are using one unconstitutional act (foreign aid) to justify another. It's also because so many now rely on the government to bail them out that they do not take the necessary steps to protect themselves. Why should they pay for insurance when Uncle Sugar will pay?

I think that after surviving the first one or two hurricanes that I would have packed up what was left and moved. Maybe I learn quicker than you. Stay there if you want, but you don't deserve tax money any more than the people who build homes near fire prone forests or flood prone river areas. Buy insurance. Save lots of money to rebuild yourself. Do something, but the rest of the country should not be forced to pay for your decisions when they have no choice in whether to pay.

What you take out of your pocket is compassionate. What the government takes at the point of a gun is coercin. Don't you understand the difference?

Go ahead and play the sympathy card and the God card and the 'You're going to hell' card because I think that the government should stay within it's written legal bounds.

[EternalVigilance]

But there are some good ones. I even know a few of them.

Agreed. Ironically, they're the ones I get my best lawyer jokes from...

;-)

[Recovering Hermit]

I will only vote for conservatives.

So, what do you do with a RINO and a Democrat as the only two choices?

[TXBSAFH]

Go third party or not vote in that election.

[Recovering Hermit]

Go third party or not vote in that election.

What if it was the RINO against, say, hillary clinton?

A third-party vote may as well be a no-vote for a Presidential candidate...would you seriesly stay home?

[LibLieSlayer]

Your entire premise is based on Americans stealing from you. If it is indeed Unconstitutional, you and your Libertarian friends need to challenge income tax in court.

What is and is not Unconstitutional is decided by the SCOTUS, unless Congress decides to take their ability away to adjudicate on any particular issue. Good luck with that argument! BTW, how many people are sitting in the Federal pen for failing to pay that Unconstitutional tax? Like I said... Good Luck!

You don't know jack about Hurricanes and the South... you have learned absolutely nothing. I guess people in the Midwest should move from Tornadoes, up North they need to move to get away from Ice Storms, out West they need to move away from Earth Quakes and Tsunamis, and down South and East we need to move from Hurricanes. Where should we go, Oh Wise One?

"Prepare for the Common Defense" runs a far bit deeper that "Hup, Two, Three, Four"! This is most likely lost on you.

I have NEVER taken one dime in Federal Aid, and I know very few people that have. I have gladly accepted their Law Enforcement, Traffic control, Ice, Water, and within a few days after landfall, a few MRE's. I lost two homes and one business in Katrina, and none of your funding helped me rebuild any of them. No sound bite, just personal sacrifice, good friends, and a lot of hard work!

Those without anything to their names have, but Faith based organizations have taken up 90% of that slack. You now very little, and the more you rant, the more that becomes evident. I'm done with trying to convince you of anything. Good day!

LLS

[Badray]

Me too.

A very few of them, I vote for. Scary.

[Badray]

If the best that the GOP can do is put up a RINO against the Beast, yeah, I'd vote 3rd party.

What is the difference between a baby killing, gun grabbing, big government, tax and spend, liberal Republican and a baby killing, gun grabbing, big government, tax and spend, liberal Democrat that would make me want to vote for some murky notion of the 'lesser evil'? They are both evil and will both take us where I don't want to go. At least my hands and my conscience will be clean.

[Badray]

Hit and run, huh? Nice try.

Look, most every area has it's risks. Pick yours and deal with it. How did we ever survive and thrive without federal assistance, or didn't disasters occur here before FEMA was born?

So you think that what ever SCOTUS decides is right? Do you know that they have reversed themselves over 125 times in just the last 50 years? I guess things aren't as final as you seem to think.

Anyone with brains and common sense can read that document and see what is constitutional without relying on lawyers or black robed priests. They are just men and many have agendas that do not include any fidelity to the Constitution or to the ideas that made America great.

Charity is fine. Helping your neighbor is your Christian duty and mine. Socialism and preemptive coercion are not the American way and I will support neither.

As for your jumping to faulty conclusions, I am a Christian conservative registered as a Republican who loves liberty and has a deep abiding belief in limited government as laid out in our Constitution. Government cannot -- legitimately -- do what anything it wants to because it feels good (that's so 60ish) even if the Supremes go along.

Do you think the Income Tax and the IRS are good American institutions? I guess that you do since it appears that you see emanations from penumbras when it suits your needs.

[LibLieSlayer]

Yada yada yada, blah blah blah. You sound like the adults on a Charlie Brown special. No hit and run here, I'm just bored with your tired and well worn arguments.

LLS

[Cold Heat]

You're from what I call the PIG wing of the party, obviously: "Power Is God".

And you expect me to respond to that?

Take a hike.......

[Cold Heat]

the middle only cares about retaining power and cares not about principle. And you confirmed it.

In the world of politics, the very definition of it sometime precludes a few so called principles.

Unfortunately for some on this board, principles appear to include opinions!

While some real principles, such as a balanced budget, strong military, the lowest possible taxes and less government regulation are of utmost importance, the reality of politics requires that one or more of them be traded in part for the successful attainment of the others.

It is called the art of compromise.

The problem with some people is that they reject politics in favor of authoritarianism. This creates a conflict and that conflict cannot be mitigated within the party.

It will be more clear during the rest of Bush's second term that the RNC will move on without it's detractors and that the so called base will be reformatted to fit the reality of the political landscape.