DAY 4: Minuteman caravan to D.C. - an event in Crawford, and Cindy Sheehan isn't even there

FReeper Lyman Stucky in the pace car ^ | 5-6-06 | Doug from Upland

[doug from upland]

DETAILS, NEWS ARTICLES, AND CARAVAN SCHEDULE

Well, the event last night in Abilene was cancelled. No, the illegal aliens didn't do it; it was Mother Nature. It is difficult to have an event under the threat of a tornado and hail the size of grapefruit.

So the caravan drove through much of the night toward Crawford and then finally crashed, er stopped and slept, for a little while. They are about an hour outside of Crawford and will be set for a 1:00 pm event. Lyman said that they may be expecting a thousand people to be there and expects press coverage.

If any of you are within a few hundred miles of the caravan or its stops, please make an effort to get there and show your support. Contact the press to make sure they do not ignore it.

We'll check in with Lyman a little later with an additional report.

[Lancey Howard]

Hey Doug,

I was just at the mall picking up some birthday presents and I heard you on my car radio, on the local (Philly) Dom Giordano Show. Great call!

BUMP for great freeping!

Regards,
LH

[doug from upland]

Thanks, LH. Glad you heard it. I am going to try to call in to that show next week to discuss Ed Rendell. He is going to be served to show up for a desposition in the Paul v Clinton civil case. I wonder if Dom would like to be the one to serve him live on the air.

[doug from upland]

When illegal immigrants crash, taxpayers usually foot the bill
kvoa.com ^ | May 6, 2006 09:30 AM EDT | Lorraine Rivera Reports


Posted on 05/06/2006 12:45:20 PM PDT by dennisw


Within the last month, close to three dozen illegal immigrants have been injured or killed in three Southern Arizona accidents.

The first happened April 19 near Elgin in Santa Cruz County, the second on April 30 near Tangerine Road and Interstate 10 and on May 3 at Interstate 19 and Pima Mine Road.

Often, hospitals foot the bill to care for illegal immigrants injured here in the U.S.

Those costs are then passed on to the taxpayers.

Smugglers use older vehicles, cramming as many people as possible inside and taking extreme measures to get their cargo across the border.

In the last month, three separate accidents have occurred, one of them killing four illegal immigrants.

Agent Sean King of the Tucson Sector of the Border Patrol says, “Smugglers [are] taking action that they shouldn't be taking because they want to earn as much money possible and they earn their money by getting their illegal cargo to Phoenix or Tucson so that they can get paid.”

According to the Border Patrol, vehicle wrecks are frequent with the victims needing medical attention.

“Paramedics are the ones who decide which hospital they go to and, in a large accident where there's a lot of people, it could be spread out to a bunch of hospitals in the area, depending on the need, what the hospital can help them with.”

Among them, the only trauma center in Southern Arizona, and weeks after one of the recent accidents illegal immigrants are still being treated at Tucson's University Medical Center.

“It has a negative impact on our bottom line. First, our priority is taking care of the people that are injured and making sure that they get the proper care, but the reality is that there is no direct reimbursement for that,” said Kevin Burn, Chief Financial Officer for UMC.

Two months ago, UMC received $500,000 of your tax money from the federal government as payment, but it’s not enough.

According to Burns, “At the current run rate we'll incur 5-to-6 million dollars in unreimbursed costs for taking care of foreign nationals.”

[doug from upland]

I spoke with Lyman a short time ago. There was quite a thunder shower earlier, but it is sunny now. Some local and district politicians were there as well as a gubernatiorial candidate. He estimates the crowd at between 500-800.

Some people are calling for impeachment over this issue. Lyman, as are most of us, are unhappy with the president over the border issue, but he completely supports him in the War on Terror. Impeachment is not the solution --- we have to change the president's mind on this issue.

: Two women reporters from the Orange Country Register have made the trip and will head back home after Crawford. Lyman says they are friendly and are doing fair reporting.

[doug from upland]

ON THE TOWN
Juvenile, divisive and just plain wrong
STEVE SMITH

Thanks, Allan Mansoor. Thanks, Eric Bever, and thanks, Gary Monahan. Thanks to the Minuteman organization and all the other lonely, attention-starved blowhards who helped turn a stable situation into total chaos.

Thanks for ruining the balance our society enjoyed between our need for cheap labor and cheap labor's willingness to do it quietly.

Thanks for making Costa Mesa a sideshow in talk radio's never-ending quest to drive up the collective blood pressure of their listeners. (Note to all: Talk radio doesn't care about illegal immigration; it cares about ratings. As someone who has been there and done that, Mansoor and company, the biggest mistake you can make is believing that you matter to them. You don't -- you are just a pawn.)

You see, things were just fine before you decided to make illegal immigration your reason for getting up in the morning. The crops that were picked, the cars that were washed, the hotel rooms that were cleaned and the restaurant tables that were bussed were all done with the full knowledge of all of America that the people doing these jobs were here illegally.

Americans knew we imported this cheap labor, and we didn't care. You haven't told us anything we didn't already know.

We didn't care that they went to some of our schools, and we didn't care that they visited some of our hospital emergency rooms, even crowded some of them.

Even the Newport-Mesa Unified School District solved the problem by boxing the children of illegal immigrants into a few schools on the Westside.

We built that into the price we paid for their presence. It was a trade-off that we have willingly supported for decades.

Thanks to you, we're probably going to have to offer citizenship to those who are currently living here. Before you started whining, they were content to just be here eking out a living. Now they have a taste of democracy and they want more.

Thanks for nothing.

Oh, by the way, I highly recommend that you go back to the accounting drawing board. Once you stop jumping up and down and waving your arms, you will find that the cheap labor we have imported is actually helping our economy, not hurting it, even with the schooling, healthcare and other costs.

Now, thanks to your being sucked into the media machine, thanks to your myopic and juvenile economic positions, no one knows which end is up.

And all of that might not be so bad if you'd only come out and revealed what it is you truly want. But you can't do that because all of America would shun you.

So, I'll do it for you right here and now. Followed to its logical conclusion, there is only one solution for the illegal immigrants living and working in America.

It's simple, really. America has about 12 million illegal immigrants living here. (The hard-liners want you to believe that most of them are sponging off us, but that's flat out not true. Almost all of them are working at the menial jobs no native American should strive to do. These are not careers with futures, folks.)

So if they're all sponging and if, according to their warped math, the illegals are costing us money and sitting home watching TV and eating Bon-Bons all day, and if they should not be given a path to citizenship, there is only one action to advocate.

Unfortunately, that's the one thing that the big, bad talk radio hosts and the tough guys on the Costa Mesa City Council and the reckless Minuteman team can't advocate in public.

Why? Because that action is to round up all of the illegal immi- grants and ship them back home.

But they can't advocate that in public because they would be generating more laughs than "Larry the Cable Guy."

Now, readers, I want you to think carefully. In all of the shouting about how we're being ripped off, have you ever heard any of the hard-liners offer a sensible solution?

Oh sure, they'll tell you that we need to secure our borders but that's something we should all be advocating.

I'm talking about the illegal immigrants who are already here. These blowhards don't want them to be citizens, they don't want a guest-worker program, and they don't want them working here taking all of these really hot jobs they're performing. So what's left?

It's mass deportation, an idea so absurd, so twisted that even they know not to utter it.

Fortunately, the overwhelming majority of Californians have cool heads.

In a Los Angeles Times poll revealed last week, "Californians generally favor a carrot-and-stick approach to illegal immigration, mixing tougher border enforcement with a guest-worker program and a pathway to citizenship for people already in the United States." And they favor that approach by a ratio of more than 3 to 1.

That's 3 to 1, guys. Get it? We have spoken and we don't like your solution, even though you haven't got the guts to state it.

There is one bright side to all of this. Once the media moves on to the next shiny object, these hard-liners will disappear.

That also means that any attempt at higher office is all but a waste of time. You can count on one hand that num- ber of single-issue extremists who have been elected to the U.S. House of Representatives or the U.S. Senate.

So, for those among us who are fed up with the divisiveness, the spectacles, the marches, the boycotts, the death threats and the mean-spirited talk, be patient. Come November, if you live in Costa Mesa, you'll have a chance to return things to normal by voting to replace the Three Scrooges who started all this nonsense.

And for the rest of you, we need some comic relief right now so write in Larry the Cable Guy.

* STEVE SMITH is a Costa Mesa resident. Leave a message for him on the Daily Pilot hotline at (714) 966-4664 or send story ideas to dailypilot@latimes.com.

[La Enchiladita]

I'm answering you all in today's thread, which Doug started.

Antisocial, I'm sorry you were disappointed with turnout in Abilene; it may have to do with publicity.

Stopem, I do not know who on the Caravan is taking photos but there will probably be plenty of them eventually. If I were not so sick today, I would look through Yahoo photos and put some up for you.

Trooprally, I do not know what the program will be in D.C. either. So, I suggest for everyone to check the MMP website for their updates. I sure hope they have permits for everything they plan to do!

Lyman phoned me awhile ago from Crawford and I could hear the speakers and the crowd in the background. The crowd was cheering, applauding, whistling, very enthusiastic about all the speakers, one of whom was Glenn Spencer from American Patrol. He was a very good speaker: short and sweet. LOL. His organization, along with Terry Anderson (L.A. radio host), has been actively fighting the illegal invasion since 1992. Glenn says he "gains more confidence every day." As well, since they are near the ranch, he exhorted the President to "get up and do your job."

Another speaker was Jack______, who founded Americans for Zero Immigration in 2003. And a lady named Lupe ______ spoke for a while, sometimes emotionally, about her life as an American who happens to be Hispanic and stands up for secure borders. She gave honor to Barbara Coe, who she calls the "Minuteman Mama." Barbara was "one of the first to sound the warning." Three cheers for Barbara Coe!

Lupe's hometown in Texas has been attacked and trashed by illegals brandishing Mexican flags, on 3/25/06 and 5/3/06, and their local officials and law enforcement would do nothing. This brought her to tears. I know how she feels, as they did the same to my Los Angeles childhood neighborhood and park this past Wednesday.

I was not able to stay on the phone for the entire rally, so I apologize to everyone. But I will talk to Lyman again tonight.

[doug from upland]

Listen to the John and Ken Show, 3pm Pacific -- http://www.kfi640.com

[Smartass]

Did someone ask, "where's Cindy."

[stopem]

Thank you!! Good report!

Where is the media now why isn't Fox, CNN, MSNBC covering this?

They can cover a group of foreign nationals waving mexican flags but can't cover an important event we want to see covered?

They need to hear from us!!

[trooprally]

Thanks for your time. Keep up the threads, hope for better weather for the MM Caravan and a save trip. [Mr] T

[stopem]

I'll leave this big blowhard a message all right!
Talk about divisive and a major jerk!

[La Enchiladita]

Well, you know the answer on the media...:(

I'll post more speech highlights later this evening.

The Caravan appreciates all the prayers and well wishes of FReepers.

[stopem]

And please pass it along that we appreciate them more than we can say!

[trooprally]

Anything planned for the D.C. Chapter?

[Mr] T

[doug from upland]

Thanks for your work. Can't wait for the update.

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

Prayers to Lupe, and her home town. So sad to hear of our people being overrun and attacked. Still can't believe our government(federal, state, and local) can sit back in their easy chairs and let this kind of thing happen in the U.S. On a better note; it sounds like they're picking up momentum as they go along...

[La Enchiladita]

People are getting "fired up," as Lyman says. No doubt.

The crowd went absolutely wild for every speaker. This is the leadership they have been craving.

I think you caught Doug's report where Lyman estimated the crowd at 500-800. I'd say that's excellent.

[doug from upland]

The caravan is hoping to be in front of Walter Reed next Friday night.

[doug from upland]

8 PM SUNDAY night rally at the State Capitol steps in Little Rock -- 425 West Capitol Ave, Little Rock, AR

[Mrs. Darla Ruth Schwerin]

Yes. That is a very good crowd. And that was only Day 4...