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John McCain: Can He Be a Falwell Republican?
WP ^ | May 7, 2006 | Byron York

Posted on 05/06/2006 10:09:31 AM PDT by FairOpinion

Last October, J. David Woodard, a Clemson University political scientist who doubles as a strategist for conservative Republican candidates, polled 450 South Carolina GOP voters, asking: "When it comes to politics, do you consider yourself closer to George W. Bush or John McCain?" Sixty-three percent picked Bush. Twenty-one percent said it made no difference. And just 16 percent chose McCain.

The message? "I think McCain has a lot of work to do if he's going to win here," Woodard told me recently. "There is a long-term memory, especially with Christian conservatives, about his comments after the 2000 race."

Last September, with a McCain candidacy on the horizon and the senator out-polling most other potential Republican candidates, Falwell called the senator and asked for an appointment. The two had not spoken for years, since before the 2000 election.

Later, Falwell asked McCain to come to Liberty University. The trip has been portrayed as the beginning of a rapprochement, but in fact the reconciliation is already well underway. When I asked Falwell if he could see himself supporting McCain for president, he quickly answered, "Of course. If he is the candidate, he'll certainly have my support."

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TOPICS: Extended News; News/Current Events; Politics/Elections; US: South Carolina
KEYWORDS: byronyork; christianvote; falwell; justsayno; libertyu; mccain; mccain2008; nowaymccain; senatorjudas
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I hope some strong Republicans will run and win in the 2008 GOP Presidential primary.

Remember, McCain pushed through the Terrorist Protection Bill, so we can't get much needed intelligence from them, and he just recently was willing to give up the First Amendment.

1 posted on 05/06/2006 10:09:34 AM PDT by FairOpinion
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To: FairOpinion

U.S. Must Clarify Commitment to Abide by McCain Ban on Cruel, Inhuman and Degrading Treatment

http://www.humanrightsfirst.org/media/etn/2006/alert/202/

The United States’ opening presentation before the U.N. Committee against Torture failed to make clear the United States’ commitment to fully implement the McCain ban on cruel, inhuman and degrading treatment for all prisoners in U.S. custody. Human Rights First called on the Administration to implement a single interrogation standard for all prisoners in keeping with the McCain legislation.

“If the Administration continues to carve out groups of people who are not ‘legally entitled’ to protection from torture and abuse, as it suggested again today, it’s hard to understand how it intends to comply with the law Congress passed that prohibits the abuse of all detainees held anywhere by any U.S. personnel,” Rona said.


2 posted on 05/06/2006 10:14:14 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

McCain will never make it out of the primaries


3 posted on 05/06/2006 10:14:40 AM PDT by Mo1 (DEMOCRATS: A CULTURE OF TREASON)
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To: FairOpinion

Just don't forget that he's better than any demonRAT.


4 posted on 05/06/2006 10:14:45 AM PDT by Seruzawa (If you agree with the French raise your hand - If you are French raise both hands.)
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To: FairOpinion
I'd like to see him "fall well".
5 posted on 05/06/2006 10:14:57 AM PDT by inquest (If you favor any legal status for illegal aliens, then do not claim to be in favor of secure borders)
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To: Seruzawa

Let's hope it won't come to that.

That's why I said I was hoping for a strong R. candidate, who can win the primary and be able to beat the Dem nominee.


6 posted on 05/06/2006 10:16:23 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Rudy has a much better chance than McLame! I can't see Christians voting for Rudy but if it's that or Hitlary...well...they learned what happens when they stay home...Clinton and they are to smart to let that happen again.


7 posted on 05/06/2006 10:24:29 AM PDT by TatieBug
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To: Mo1
"McCain will never make it out of the primaries"


Absolutely, 100% correct!

End of story.



8 posted on 05/06/2006 10:25:25 AM PDT by G.Mason (The Left is as deadly as Islam's al Qaeda. Both kill, only Muslims tell you to your face.)
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To: FairOpinion
Remember, McCain pushed through the Terrorist Protection Bill, so we can't get much needed intelligence from them, and he just recently was willing to give up the First Amendment.

He roasted the 1st over open coals with McCain/Feingold (I wish someone would put that again before the Roberts court).

9 posted on 05/06/2006 10:25:42 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amesty.)
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To: Seruzawa
Just don't forget that he's better than any demonRAT.

That is like bing the best yodeler in Compton.

10 posted on 05/06/2006 10:26:28 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amesty.)
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To: Seruzawa
"Just don't forget that he's better than any demonRAT."


Ha scoffing, the daddy of a "clean government" Soros style is not a dimes worth of difference than the most high priestess of liberalism.
11 posted on 05/06/2006 10:28:49 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: FairOpinion
Ditto and Amen on his Terrorist Protection Bill.

Plus the only place he's going in the near is six feet under, he is a sick (physically) man. (mentally we know)

I caught him last week on CSPAN during the Senate's 'debate' of Pork in the Emergency Spending Bill. The complete left side of his face was swollen and covered by a huge 3"x3" (at least) band aid. He's got cancer - period.

12 posted on 05/06/2006 10:32:16 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: FairOpinion

This is satire; right?


13 posted on 05/06/2006 10:33:55 AM PDT by Arizona Carolyn
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To: FairOpinion

McLaim is the Ross Perot of the 2008 election..


14 posted on 05/06/2006 10:35:09 AM PDT by hosepipe (This Propaganda has been edited to include not a small amount of Hyperbole..)
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To: FairOpinion

McCain cannot carry a Southern state. Maybe one of the liberal states' primary, but nothing south of the Mason Dixon Line. He is vehemently despised in the South.


15 posted on 05/06/2006 10:35:29 AM PDT by TommyDale (North Carolina looks forward to the disbarring of Mike Nifong.)
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To: Just mythoughts; Seruzawa

Let's be clear about this:

Think of the judges McCain will appoint and compare them to ANY democrat.

Think of which party McCain will have to have backing him for legislative and appointment purposes and compare that to the Democrats.

Think of who influences McCain and compare that to who influences the Democrats.

Think of the groups that will back McCain (admittedly somewhat reluctantly) and compare that to who will back ANY Democrat.

The chasm between US and THEM is unbridgeable. McCain may be hanging over the edge of that gulf, but he is still on our side of it.

McVey


16 posted on 05/06/2006 10:36:17 AM PDT by mcvey (,)
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To: Seruzawa
***Just don't forget that he's better than any demonRAT.***

With all due respect when you look at his actual voting record and not his phony lifetime ACU rating, he isn't. He votes right along with his "buddies" Kennedy and Kerry a majority of the time on the important Republican / Conservative Bills.

One year, not long ago, his yearly rating was a pathetic 67. That doesn't even classify as RINO.

17 posted on 05/06/2006 10:38:49 AM PDT by Condor51 (Better to fight for something than live for nothing - Gen. George S. Patton)
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To: mcvey

As I sai, in the meantime, let's hope for a good Republican candidate.

There are plenty others, who can not only win the primary, but beat the Dem candidate, whoever he is.

I still like a Jeb Bush/ Condi Rice 2008 ticket.


18 posted on 05/06/2006 10:38:55 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: mcvey
MACcain is a "GANG" leader running that hoax 'got to go through us' of judicial appointees. MACcain has got this political business of personal "earmarking" down to a fine art. You do not think he gets something for every nominee he and his gang let pass go?????

Sorry, after observing this little speech god trying to run Rummy out of town and his twisted anti-torture legislation, opposing drilling in ANWAR, preventing tax cuts being made permanent, attempting to pass out citizenship papers to every illegal that can make it across the border, etc., etc., I will NOT be voting for MACcain. I would rather see that high priestess in charge.
19 posted on 05/06/2006 10:43:31 AM PDT by Just mythoughts
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To: FairOpinion
blasting them for what he called "the evil influence that they exercise over the Republican Party."

McCain and the beast display many of the same character faults.

20 posted on 05/06/2006 10:44:48 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Condor51

An irate female Republican caller from Arizona to a radio show said that McCain's office responded to her and her group that "he does what he thinks is right". Her response was that his job is to do what the people of Arizona think is right not enforce his personal opinion.

I believe she has started a movement called mothersagainstmccain.com maybe .org or something similar.


21 posted on 05/06/2006 10:45:08 AM PDT by FARS (OK)
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To: FARS
"he does what he thinks is right."

Not exactly following the concept of a representative republic. It's the will of the people not the will of the person.

22 posted on 05/06/2006 10:48:36 AM PDT by Dutch Boy
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To: ncountylee

McCain -- the real "Manchurian Candidate".


23 posted on 05/06/2006 10:49:12 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: freedumb2003

McCain: "I would rather have a clean government than one where quote First Amendment rights are being respected, that has become corrupt. If I had my choice, I'd rather have the clean government."



http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1623984/posts


24 posted on 05/06/2006 10:50:33 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: freedumb2003
That is like bing the best yodeler in Compton.

So that's what that noise is that I hear, along with the drums, off the 405 driving through Compton late at night.

25 posted on 05/06/2006 10:52:25 AM PDT by ncountylee (Dead terrorists smell like victory)
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To: Just mythoughts; Jim Robinson

By "high priestess" I assume you refer to Hillary Clinton? Hopefully, we don't get that far, but I wonder what Jim Robinson would do if faced with McCain vs. Clinton?


26 posted on 05/06/2006 10:54:03 AM PDT by clawrence3
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To: FairOpinion
Apparently he can be a Falwell Republican. He just can't be a The Ghost of FReepers Past Republican.
27 posted on 05/06/2006 10:54:24 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: freedumb2003
That is like bing the best yodeler in Compton.

Do they yodel in Compton? LOL

28 posted on 05/06/2006 10:55:40 AM PDT by NRA2BFree (NO GUEST WORKER PLAN! IT IS REALLY AMNESTY, SHAMNESTY OR SCAMNESTY - IT IS THE SELL OUT OF AMERICA!!)
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To: TatieBug

I can with a clear conscience vote for every race but the Presidential race. I'll leave it blank if I have to. That's not staying home, it's just not liking the options in that one race. I think a lot of Democrats in Florida didn't like Gore, then they later claimed they meant to vote for him. But it is not unheard of for a voter to vote in one race and offer no choice in the other.


29 posted on 05/06/2006 10:56:49 AM PDT by The Ghost of FReepers Past (Woe unto them that call evil good, and good evil; that put darkness for light..... Isaiah 5:20)
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To: NRA2BFree
Do they yodel in Compton? LOL

Not too much

30 posted on 05/06/2006 10:59:07 AM PDT by freedumb2003 (Any guest worker program that does not require application from the home country is Amesty.)
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To: FairOpinion
I can only speak for myself of course, but if McCain is on the ballot at the Republican Primary, my vote will be cast for one of the others, whether I have to flip a coin or am genuinely impressed by one or the other.

I already know who I will not vote for, even under threat of death for voting otherwise!
31 posted on 05/06/2006 11:02:02 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Why are those waiting ages to immigrate legally , never invited to the whine fest's of illegals?)
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To: ncountylee

"So that's what that noise is that I hear, along with the drums, off the 405 driving through Compton late at night."

Uh...those aren't drums.


32 posted on 05/06/2006 11:02:28 AM PDT by MineralMan (non-evangelical atheist)
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To: FairOpinion

What rubbish. Looks like York is auditioning for another appearance on MTP where Russert will get him to criticize Bush. York, Kate o'Bierne, etc., circulate from one sunday program to another because they are in the Novak mold.


33 posted on 05/06/2006 11:04:36 AM PDT by jubail (Colmes is the smart one on Hannity & Colmes)
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To: clawrence3

"McCain vs. Clinton?"

===

Let's hope and pray and work to make sure that will NOT be our choice in 2008.


34 posted on 05/06/2006 11:09:44 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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"That's why I said I was hoping for a strong R. candidate, who can win the primary and be able to beat the Dem nominee."

Another George Allen supporter, welcome to the common sense winning team!
35 posted on 05/06/2006 11:11:22 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: FairOpinion

Yes, but I am not a member of the "any Republican but McCain" club.

I will be happy to be a member of the "any Republican who can win" club--even Rudi and McCain.

We are facing just a disaster if the Dems get in charge of making appointments--eventually enough Republicans will break ranks and vote to give their appointees a vote. If they don't the MSM will have the weak-minded majority believing that Republicans do nothing but obstruct.

McVey


36 posted on 05/06/2006 11:12:57 AM PDT by mcvey (,)
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To: clawrence3
I can't speak for you or Jim, but as for myself, the choice would be easy. Chugalug the kool ade.
37 posted on 05/06/2006 11:13:10 AM PDT by F.J. Mitchell (Why are those waiting ages to immigrate legally , never invited to the whine fest's of illegals?)
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To: mcvey

You can see from my tag line, that I agree with you, but I am still hoping that we won't have to choose between McCain and Hillary.

The worst problem with McCain is that he is unstable and you can't trust his judgment.

But I don't really think that he has a chance to win the R. nomination.


38 posted on 05/06/2006 11:15:40 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: clawrence3
" but I wonder what Jim Robinson would do if faced with McCain vs. Clinton?"

I can speak for nobody but myself, but my guess would be what everyone else is doing, making sure that turd never gets on the ballot.

As someone else said here....It won't be Abe Lincon V George Washington either, its not going to happen.
39 posted on 05/06/2006 11:25:13 AM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: F.J. Mitchell

I think the Dems are pushing McCain, and make him sound as a viable candidate for the Republicans, hoping that Republicans will be dumb enough to vote for McCain in the primary, but then not vote for him in sufficient numbers in the actual election, giving Hillary the victory.


40 posted on 05/06/2006 11:27:03 AM PDT by FairOpinion (Dem Foreign Policy: SURRENDER to our enemies. Real conservatives don't help Dems get elected.)
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To: FairOpinion

Nope, no way, zip, nada, nyet, what part of HELL NO doesn't McCain understand.


41 posted on 05/06/2006 11:34:49 AM PDT by zerosix (Romans 5:8)
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To: FairOpinion

I don't think he does either. But I have been thinking about who is likely to emerge from Iowa, NH and SC and right now, I have no clue. We have a number of good candidates (such as Allen) who can hold the states we need to hold, but we need someone who can take a big Dem state away. And we need to hold Ohio--that may be tough.

It has crossed my mind that, in the red states, Hillary may lose so big that she could, if Ohio falls (or some combination of CO, IA, NV and NM (what happens if Richardson becomes the VP candidate)) lose the popular and win the electoral.

But will the Dems be crazy enough to select someone who will not be able to govern? We are, sadly, getting a taste of that right now. (Bush has unfortunately become the issue.)

McVey


42 posted on 05/06/2006 11:53:38 AM PDT by mcvey (,)
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To: mcvey
Think of the judges McCain will appoint"""

I do -- and it scares me.

43 posted on 05/06/2006 11:55:21 AM PDT by churchillbuff
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To: churchillbuff

You may be right, but if you think of the judges ANY Dem appoints, you (and the country) should be terrified.

By the way, I like you tag. I just finished a series of lectures on Churchill--what a leader! The essence of leadership.


44 posted on 05/06/2006 12:06:12 PM PDT by mcvey (,)
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To: FairOpinion

I don't see how McCain is going to suck up to the Evangelicals after that dirty trick of working with the liberal media to tar Bush for visiting Bob Jones University, thus attempting to get Evangelicals and Catholics feuding with each other.

It didn't work, and I don't believe either Catholics or Evangelicals appreciated it. McCain would be just about as convincing taking a photo-op holding a Bible as bill or hillary.


45 posted on 05/06/2006 12:30:03 PM PDT by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: mcvey
It has crossed my mind that, in the red states, Hillary may lose so big that she could, if Ohio falls (or some combination of CO, IA, NV and NM (what happens if Richardson becomes the VP candidate)) lose the popular and win the electoral.

Strange story, a few of my friends, on the liberal side, went to a fundraiser that Hillary was hosting.

This was right after the elections, and she did a speech and then a little Q and A segment.

She said a couple of really weird things, including faulting Kerry for trying so hard to win Ohio when (according to her) it was unwinnable and that he should have instead tried to win other swing states.

She also made some negative remarks about Iowa that confused everybody.

My friends were there representing their teachers union, but they were kind of confused by the things she said, but the way she made it sound was as if Ohio was like texas.

46 posted on 05/06/2006 1:03:25 PM PDT by Sonny M ("oderint dum metuant")
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To: FairOpinion

Don't even think it.

In most cases, I will make a "lesser of evils" calculation, and vote Republican. I may not like the guy, but theoretically he's better than the alternative.

There are only about two exceptions. I will never vote for Specter, not for anything. The man turns my stomach.

And I will never vote for McCain. Not for anything.

So, if anyone in the Repub hierarchy is listening, you'd better factor that in. He may look like the perfect candidate to you, and you have the right to make your calculations. But calculate winning without me. I will vote my own name, or my dog's name, before I pull the lever for McCain. So don't do it.

If you think that McCain losing to Clinton might destroy the country, then count this as a warning. The destruction didn't come when we sat out the election, it came when you ignored our warnings, and nominated McCain.


47 posted on 05/06/2006 1:05:24 PM PDT by marron
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To: Seruzawa

I think McCain is a Democrat in disguise. I would not trust him with my wallet, much less the country.


48 posted on 05/06/2006 1:05:48 PM PDT by pleikumud
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To: pleikumud
"I think McCain is a Democrat in disguise. I would not trust him with my wallet, much less the country."

John McCain is a LID ( liberal in drag), just like trolls here, he poses as a conservative to undermine the conservative/ Republican cause.

Rudy is the same deal, both are worthless and belong nowhere in the Republican party.
49 posted on 05/06/2006 2:08:06 PM PDT by Beagle8U (Juan Williams....The DNC's "Crash test Dummy" for talking points.)
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To: FairOpinion
Jerry Falwell is a good guy who meets with any and everybody, including pimps like Jesse (I have fathered more children out of wedlock than Kweisi Mufume) Jackson. McCain still thinks appearing on the radio with Don (the Annus) Imus will get him there. he can ask his buddy J F Kerry about that.
50 posted on 05/06/2006 4:42:15 PM PDT by wmileo
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