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Don't Believe the Spin: Urban Mega-Papers are in Serious Decline
ABC (the newspaper auditors), NAP ^ | 5/9/06 | Dangus

Posted on 05/09/2006 6:32:25 PM PDT by dangus

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To: randog
The media is the one business that actively insults their customers and then wonders why sales are down

And they blame it on the "net".  They just will not accept the fact that it is because we are sick of supporting them and their un-American bias.

And the funny part is that the left somehow has delusioned themselves into believing that the MSM is right-wing and won'tsupport them either!

Boy, talk about the MSM backing the wrong horse.

21 posted on 05/09/2006 8:47:12 PM PDT by softwarecreator (Facts are to liberals as holy water is to vampires.)
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To: yetidog
Likely, there is a correlation between the growth of online participants
and the demise of newspapers.


Jim Cramer ("Mad Money") has said that once Google and other online
services take over the classified ad biz...it's game over for newspapers.

While Cramer can blow some stock calls...I think he's nailed that prediction.
22 posted on 05/09/2006 8:52:28 PM PDT by VOA
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
The solution? Shorter articles and simpler words and grammar. Problem solved.

I would have asked that caller: "Ever hear of USA Today?"
23 posted on 05/09/2006 8:54:06 PM PDT by VOA
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To: Petronski
Dial-up killer alert!
Time to get cable/DSL? Poor X42 spent all that time building a bridge to the 21st century and you got left behind? Verizon is offering DSL for $19.95 a month.

There must be a gubmint grant for this somewheres ... ;-)

24 posted on 05/09/2006 8:56:32 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54

I've had DSL for three years.

I was just voicing my concern for my fellow man.


25 posted on 05/09/2006 9:05:55 PM PDT by Petronski (I just love that woman.)
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To: Steve Van Doorn

The Washington Times is tough to to get information on, because it's readership is so small, it doesn't appear on any of the charts. I think the Washington Examiner already outsells it. It could go up a couple hundred percent, and still not be one of the players: it's circulation is towards the maximum of five digits


26 posted on 05/09/2006 9:32:31 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Petronski
I was just voicing my concern for my fellow man.
I know - I used to put up with dialup because a good friend was one of the first ISPs in our area and I was loyal to him - even though I switched I paid him for a backup dialup account and the "right" to keep my old email address ... sadly they still went under. Still I think dialup = buggy whips. ;-)
27 posted on 05/09/2006 9:34:04 PM PDT by Tunehead54 (Nothing funny here ;-)
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To: Tunehead54; Petronski

YOu gotta admit; the colors are cooool.b


28 posted on 05/09/2006 9:35:06 PM PDT by dangus
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To: Steve Van Doorn

Well, I checked... they've just broken into six figures. Only took them 35 years!


29 posted on 05/09/2006 9:38:45 PM PDT by dangus
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To: dangus

over 100K? If it is climing and the others going down.... Maybe they will meet or pass the rags?


30 posted on 05/09/2006 10:21:45 PM PDT by Steve Van Doorn (*in my best Eric cartman voice* “I love you guys”)
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To: Grampa Dave

pinging myself for review tomorrow.


31 posted on 05/09/2006 11:52:10 PM PDT by Grampa Dave (There's a dwindling market for Marxist homosexual lunatic wet dreams posing as journalism)
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To: randog
"local news"

Yes local papers should have local news, but you must remember that for millions of Americans, the local rag is their only source of news. Not as many people get their news off the internet as you think. My own experience is that very few people I know get their news off the internet. Most of their "news" come from the same disreputable lib (Ny Times, WaPo, AP) sources as they've always come from.

My local rag has changed from very conservative when I was growing up forty years ago to ultra-liberal today. They print fluff local news stories on the front page and hardcore national and international news in little paragraphs in subsequent sections. And that's only some hard news...which are virtually all from lib sources. The internet is great, but don't overestimate the numbers of Americans who use it for news.

32 posted on 05/10/2006 3:08:18 AM PDT by driftless ( For life-long happiness, learn how to play the accordion.)
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To: randog
Newspapers need to get back to their core product--local news. I can get national news just about anywhere, so why is the local newspaper bothering? The one competetive edge the local rag has is its news-gathering resources, i.e. reporters that beat the streets and gather the local news.

VERY good insight. Indeed, that's the only thing keeping, say, the NYT and the Globe from imploding completely. The Globe still has a good sports page (not as good as an obsessed fan can build for himself online, but good enough). The Times still has ads people are looking for, like "what theaters is United 93 playing in?" The front sections of both papers are a mixture of their own cant and opinion masquerading as national/international news, and wire stories that are outdated compared to what you can grab on Google News or Yahoo.

If you're a newspaper manager and haven't asked, "why should someone who disagrees with me buy our paper?" you're being measured for the tar pits right now.

until they change, they're just another special interest group with a newsletter.

Yep, and a dirty, smelly newsletter at that. My fingers aren't black after checking through my morning array of news and opinion sites, and I'm a lot better informed (especially about the war) than Globe and Times readers will be.

For the newspapers, it's a perfect storm: they've alienated roughly half of their readership, right as an alternative looms large in the firmament. Nuclear dumb attack.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F

PS: I'd love to see the ABC circulation trends of TIME and Newsweek. Geronimo! -C18F

33 posted on 05/14/2006 10:04:34 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F
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