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Why ice-cream vans face total meltdown(hint commie nanny staters)
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,2-2170199,00.html ^ | 5 8 06 | Rajeev Syal and David Sanderson

Posted on 05/10/2006 3:28:04 AM PDT by freepatriot32

Those familiar jingles could be a thing of the past if a health campaign succeeds

FOR 60 years the tinny jingle of Greensleeves that announced the arrival of the ice-cream van has been an indelible memory of childhood, but that sound may soon be removed from suburban streets. Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children’s health.

MPs and health officials are planning a series of measures across the country that are already forcing Mr Whippy and his helpers into meltdown.

Under an amendment to the Education and Inspection Bill to be put forward this week, local authorities will be given new powers to stop ice-cream vans from operating near school gates. The move comes as operators claim that they are already being forced out of business by an over-zealous health lobby.

Local authorities have in recent weeks banned ice-cream vans from using pay-and-display parking spaces and set up “ice-cream-free”exclusion zones around busy shopping streets. Newham council, in east London, informed vendors last month that it would fine van owners up to £80 if they used pay-and-display bays. Greenwich council, in southeast London, has banned the vans from its streets altogether, while in Scotland, West Dunbartonshire council has introduced an exclusion zone around schools for vans.

Mark Gossage, the director of Ice Cream Alliance that represented 20,000 van owners in the 1960s and now has 700 members, said that many of his members can no longer make a living. “Many schools have already stopped arrangements for vans to sell to pupils,” he said. “They are wiping us out.”

There are about 5,000 ice-cream vans in Britain. In times gone by they would have parked at the side of most roads; but times have changed. The amendment would grant local authorities the power to ban ice-cream vans from parking near schools.

One dietitian told The Times that a ban on ice-cream vans near schools would be a draconian policy that may drive children to buy even less healthy foods at nearby shops.

Catherine Collins, the chief dietitian at St George’s Hospital, Tooting, south London, said: “This is the kind of blanket ban that gives the health lobby a bad name. A healthy diet can factor in a sugary treat such as an ice-cream. It is the frequency of that treat that is an issue. Most choices from an ice-cream van would provide fewer calories and fat compared to a free choice from a newsagent.”

Horse-drawn vans selling flavoured ices were first seen on cobbled streets in the 19th century. Motorised vans followed in the 1950s, selling hard, scooped or soft ice-cream.

By the 1980s the business had become so lucrative that gangs fought over the right to sell to certain streets. In 1984 a row between Glasgow-based gangs led to the murder of six members of the Doyle family, who had run the Marchetti ice-cream company. The sector has since declined because of the availability of ice-creams from shops and garages. The few vendors left said last week they would be out of business if the amendment was passed.

John Barrowclough, whose Iced Treats van stops outside schools around Wolverhampton, said he had been forced to sell one of his two vans. because of a clampdown.

“We sell a lot of ice-creams near schools,” he said. “Of course no one wants to see fat kids, but most children have an ice-cream once a week, not every day.”

Sefer Huseyin, whose family have run Five Star Catering ice-cream vans in Camberwell, southeast London, since the 1960s, said that his vans had been banned from schools. “Telling vendors they are not allowed near schools is the wrong message,” he said. “They have been going there for years and their livelihood is being taken away from them.”

However, the amendment is supported by some health campaigners. Chris Waterman, the executive director of the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers, said ice-cream vans should be restricted. “There are millions going into healthy food in schools, yet kids are rushing to spend their money on food from mobile vans,” he said.

“The ice-cream van industry may be saying it is in meltdown but for the sake of our children’s health and safety we should keep the icons at Bournemouth and Blackpool but stop them driving around schools.”

TREAT OR HEALTH HAZARD?

A large single ice cream cone contains about 139 calories and 6g of fat. A chocolate Flake adds about 100 calories and another 6g of fat

Many ice-creams and iced lollies in wrappings contain between 40-100 calories. A Mars Bar contains nearly 300 calories

A serving of rich vanilla ice cream will typically contain 90ml milk, 90ml double cream or whipping cream, a vanilla pod, an egg yolk and 25g of caster sugar

Some soft ice cream sold on the streets can contain saturated vegetable fat, sugar, milk powder, artificial flavourings and additives including E407 and E122.

Toppings are usually a mix of glucose syrup, additives, synthetic flavourings, artificial sweeteners and preservatives

Depending on whom you believe, “99s” were first made by Cadbury’s in the 1930s as a tribute to the King of Italy’s bodyguard, traditionally composed of 99 troops; or a tribute by Italian café owners to Il Ragazzi del 99, a band of soldiers who fought in the Battle of the Piave River in the First World War; or named after the address of the Edinburgh-based Arcari ice-cream dynasty at 99 Portobello High Street

The two most popular ice cream van jingles today are O Solo Mio by Eduardo Di Capua — popularly known as the Cornetto theme — and Greensleeves


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Foreign Affairs; United Kingdom
KEYWORDS: england; face; icecream; libertarians; london; meltdown; nannystate; total; uk; vans; why
Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children’s health.

Yeah but I think these anti ice cream health nazis(siamese twins of the anti smoking nazis) are very soon going to find out that these same children are soon to be an extreme danger to the health lobbyists shins if the children see them on the street after they ban ice cream vans.

While we are on the subject of bad for health these nanny state do gooders that are so intent on banning everything but bean turds and tofu are ticking me off so much im getting an ulcer and ulcers can kill people if left untreated. Can we now have all those health nazis banned for being a danger to the public health?

1 posted on 05/10/2006 3:28:07 AM PDT by freepatriot32
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To: freepatriot32

It's not the ice cream that is dangerous. The danger is having the kids sit in front of the TV or computer for 4-6 hours a day.


2 posted on 05/10/2006 3:31:21 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: traviskicks; Gabz; SheLion; Diana in Wisconsin

libertarians/nanny state ping if any of you have any malox please send it my way. i would go to the store myself but im to busy smoking,drinking,eating chocolate icecream and moawing down raw cookie dough and medium rare hamburgers (with bacon) to get off my couch right now


3 posted on 05/10/2006 3:31:59 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: MadIvan

ping thought you might be interested in this


4 posted on 05/10/2006 3:36:27 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32

I guess they'll just ignore the fact that there is protein and calcium in ice cream as well.
Fruit is high in sugars so should that be banned as well?
Idiocy. Dangerous idiocy.


5 posted on 05/10/2006 3:39:52 AM PDT by visualops (America... www.visualops.com ...is not just a job site.)
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To: freepatriot32

Hey, folks, give them a break.
I mean, they banned heroin and people don't use it anymore, right?

/sarc


6 posted on 05/10/2006 3:41:47 AM PDT by Syberyenta
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To: visualops
Idiocy. Dangerous idiocy.

Since when have liberals been anything BUT dangerous idiots?

7 posted on 05/10/2006 3:42:30 AM PDT by Ronin (Ut iusta esse, lex noblis severus necesse est.)
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To: Straight Vermonter

One of my "guilty pleasures" is a daily bowl of ice cream. Not a huge one, but a bowl in any case.

It's not the consumption, it's the portion.

I agree with your post, however, inactivity is a contributor.

I have a 3 year old. She hasn't discovered the joy of veging (sp?) in front of the TV. I just can't keep her from climbing things (trees, furniture, etc). Hope she stays as active through her adolescence.


8 posted on 05/10/2006 3:42:58 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: RangerM
Hope she stays as active through her adolescence.

Well now my parents made that same wish when i was born and it came true. now they spend thier days curled up in a corner with their grey hair growing longer by the day mumbling to themsleves and twitching at random intervals :-)

9 posted on 05/10/2006 3:48:38 AM PDT by freepatriot32 (Holding you head high & voting Libertarian is better then holding your nose and voting republican)
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To: freepatriot32
Its been proved that when Children cut down on eating processed cr*p, grades go up and trouble goes down.

So I think this is a good move.

They are not banning ice cream they are just removing them from outside school gates.

As an Adult if you want to fill your self with cr*p go for it.

But anything that helps us with the Children I am all for.

Incidentally my two children are a lot more behave since we switched from cola to smoothies as summer time drinks.

10 posted on 05/10/2006 3:52:52 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh

Is it the fact that it's "processed" or is it the sugar?

I eat whatever I want, whenever I want. (NOTE: if I do need to lose weight, I follow Atkins....easiest diet I ever had).

The only thing I keep doing (from Atkins) is that I only consume non-sugared beverages, which for a southerner is damn hard since I prevent myself from having sweet tea.

If kids are "hopped-up" on sugar (and caffeine), and sitting in a classroom with a teacher whose primary motivation is their union contract negotiations, I can't say I'm surprised their attention spans (and grades) suffer.

You say:
"But anything that helps us with the Children I am all for"

This is a very DANGEROUS attitude...one that is used by politicians (particularly Dems) to manipulate the public. This results in the situation in many cities where the public schools' per student cost is well above the cost of a decent private school education, and yet the students graduate as morons.

Remember, the most valuable thing a child can have is a loving (and married) biological Mother and Father (Female/Male...yeah, I said it). I speak from experience. I had no financial or social advantages growing up, but what I have are two parents who stayed together, and loved me (although I look back and think they may have spoiled me with attention a little too much). I am the first person in my Father's family to graduate college, and become moderately successful (through hard work, a value taught me by my family).


11 posted on 05/10/2006 4:14:37 AM PDT by RangerM
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To: RangerM
re :I eat whatever I want, whenever I want. (NOTE: if I do need to lose weight, I follow Atkins....easiest diet I ever had).

Your choice as an adult. But I met you did not eat that cr*p when you were in the rangers or had at least some food that would see you through, I remember taking a load of Marine recruits out on a nice sunny march, the idiots had filled there water bottles with soft drinks not water, LOL they did suffer good object lesson though

re :If kids are "hopped-up" on sugar (and caffeine), and sitting in a classroom with a teacher whose primary motivation is their union contract negotiations, I can't say I'm surprised their attention spans (and grades) suffer.

Most teachers I have met are very dedicated to the children, and it was the same teachers different diet that saw a marked improvement.

re :Remember, the most valuable thing a child can have is a loving (and married) biological Mother and Father

Never said it wasn't, but sometimes you have to deal with the world the way it is and not how you would like it.

And I have found that the children with the worst diet were the worst behaved.

12 posted on 05/10/2006 4:26:08 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: freepatriot32
However, the amendment is supported by some health campaigners. Chris Waterman, the executive director of the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers, said ice-cream vans should be restricted. “There are millions going into healthy food in schools, yet kids are rushing to spend their money on food from mobile vans,” he said.

Here is the real problem. The vans are competing with the government-granted monopoly. The Confederation of Education and Children's Services Managers are simply not going to stand for that. They make a very lucrative living off of being the goverment-subsidized provider or whatever slop they choose to provide. They are not going to let some upstart come in and muscle in on their territory by selling things (without subsidy!) that kids actually want.

Twenty years ago these territorial wars were solved with blackjacks and knives back in the alley. Nowadays the gangsters have the local Councils do their dirty work for them.

13 posted on 05/10/2006 4:31:27 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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To: Straight Vermonter
It's not the ice cream that is dangerous. The danger is having the kids sit in front of the TV or computer for 4-6 hours a day.

When my eight-year-old is watching TV, she can't hear the ice-cream truck until it is too late to stop it. So she plays outside, instead, where she can hear him coming from blocks away.

All in all, it's a fair trade, health wise. She gets a sweet treat, but she's out in God's sunshine all afternoon exercising it off.

14 posted on 05/10/2006 4:33:47 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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To: tonycavanagh
Its been proved that when Children cut down on eating processed cr*p, grades go up and trouble goes down.

So, do you really think the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers is providing good, wholesome food to the kiddies with their government-granted monopoly?

15 posted on 05/10/2006 4:39:34 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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To: freepatriot32

Its all supply and demand. Cut the down on the amount of ice cream available, and the demand for dentists (beyond the 2 Britain already has) doesn't increase....


16 posted on 05/10/2006 4:41:43 AM PDT by King Moonracer
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To: freepatriot32
Freeze! Come out with your hands up.....when ice cream trucks are outlaws, only outlaws will have ice cream trucks.


17 posted on 05/10/2006 4:46:54 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Straight Vermonter
It's not the ice cream that is dangerous. The danger is having the kids sit in front of the TV or computer for 4-6 hours a day.

Not nearly as dangerous as spending 8 hours in a public school.

18 posted on 05/10/2006 4:47:38 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: freepatriot32

Unbelievable. I agree with what many have posted here. It is the sitting in front of the computer/tv that is contributing greatly to our kids problems. In addition it is some of the over protective stuff too, I remember being outside playing from dawn til dusk all over the neighborhood. The ice cream truck was where I spent my allowance, lol.


19 posted on 05/10/2006 4:48:41 AM PDT by EBH (We're too PC to understand WAR has been declared upon us and the enemy is within.)
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To: King Moonracer
Its all supply and demand.

There is also the black market that will be created. Just think of all the ice cream pushing gangs that will pop up. Crime will go through the roof.

20 posted on 05/10/2006 4:49:11 AM PDT by Always Right
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To: Straight Vermonter
Ahh, yes. . more interference from the people who would be kings if they could - and will. . . if we continue to invite, appoint or vote Liberals to power.

What will it take for more to realize that the 'dream' these people share is documented as history's nightmare and ours as well.

For some, maybe the vanishing 'ice cream man' might be an awakening to the possibilities here. . .

OTOH, they might just think it is Bush's fault. .or worse, they might be grateful.

21 posted on 05/10/2006 4:52:35 AM PDT by cricket (Live Liberal-free. . .)
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To: RangerM
One of my "guilty pleasures" is a daily bowl of ice cream. Not a huge one, but a bowl in any case.

For whatever reason, unknown to me, I eat ice cream out of a coffee cup. It tastes better that way.

22 posted on 05/10/2006 5:18:49 AM PDT by barker (Sometimes you're the windshield, sometimes you're the bug.)
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To: Always Right
Not nearly as dangerous as spending 8 hours in a public school.

Good one!

23 posted on 05/10/2006 5:21:28 AM PDT by polymuser
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To: Straight Vermonter
Ice Cream Man

Warning: Not family friendly.

24 posted on 05/10/2006 5:28:25 AM PDT by Straight Vermonter (The Stations of the Cross in Poetry ---> http://www.wayoftears.com)
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To: freepatriot32

WAAAAAAAAIT!!!!

It's summer, it's early evening. You just finished supper and headed back outside to meet with the gang to get in a few more innings when you hear the distant clanging of bells. You scramble back home to grab a quarter or two from Dad and rush back out to catch the Good Humor man as he's passing your house.

Remember the anticipation? Remember the lights and the glow around the truck on a dark summer evening? Remember when the guy would open the freezer door and all that cold air would rush into your face? Remember the money changer on the Good Humor guy's belt? Remember the neighborhood camaraderie as you sat with your friends on the curb and ate your chocolate eclair as the Good Humor man clanged off into the distance? I do....

25 posted on 05/10/2006 5:50:07 AM PDT by Hatteras
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To: bondjamesbond
re :So, do you really think the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers is providing good, wholesome food to the kiddies with their government-granted monopoly?

No idea what is happening in America, but in Britain when some schools took part in the experiment and replaced all there options with more healthy options they found there was a marked improvement in discipline, attention and grades, which cant be a bad thing, well at least I think so.

26 posted on 05/10/2006 5:55:50 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh

You miss my point. Of course good nutrition leads to better results. My point is that the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers is very unlikely to provide good nutrition after they have been granted a government monopoly.

Typically they will provide the lowest cost food that meets the technical specification, and the result is not appetizing.


27 posted on 05/10/2006 6:02:33 AM PDT by bondjamesbond (Rice 2008)
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To: Always Right

Pssst! Hey kid! Here ya go. Don't tell the teacher where you got this . . .
28 posted on 05/10/2006 6:20:38 AM PDT by BraveMan
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To: freepatriot32

the ice cream man is dangerous, but the guy in Iran accoding to Matt Lauer could be our friend. What religion is Lauer, I think he is Jewish, trust me the guy in Iran has no time for friendly matty.But ice cream is bad, remember that Ice cream bad Iran good.


29 posted on 05/10/2006 6:23:46 AM PDT by betsyross1776
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To: freepatriot32; Abram; albertp; AlexandriaDuke; Allosaurs_r_us; Americanwolf; ...
"Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children’s health."





Libertarian ping! To be added or removed from my ping list freepmail me or post a message here.
30 posted on 05/10/2006 6:38:48 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: freepatriot32

"Can we now have all those health nazis banned for being a danger to the public health?"
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lol, if we went by statistics, they are the greatest health threat of all, but of course, our 'public health' policies are based only on emotion so this isn't a danger. :)


31 posted on 05/10/2006 6:40:39 AM PDT by traviskicks (http://www.neoperspectives.com/gasoline_and_government.htm)
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To: freepatriot32
Health lobbyists have decided that ice-creams are too much of a danger to children’s health.

If I were writing this story I would have rephrased this line to: "A bunch of interlopers, hungering for government funds so they can tell other people to not let their kids eat ice cream." These people are Nazis. They won't be happy until we are all in front of the TV exercising daily like Winston Smith in 1984 (A book everyone should read). I get no joy hearing Butthole Bill Clinton negotiated with the Soda companies to eliminate sugar sodas in schools. I can make up my own mind. I can think for myself. These "healthy lobbyists" are looking for government handouts so they can lobby the government to take more freedom away from all of us.
32 posted on 05/10/2006 6:42:48 AM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: freepatriot32

As long as the kids are running around outdoors and playing, some ice cream shouldn't be a problem.

33 posted on 05/10/2006 6:48:30 AM PDT by Tolerance Sucks Rocks (One flag--American. One language--English. One allegiance--to America!)
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To: freepatriot32; Just another Joe; CSM; lockjaw02; Publius6961; elkfersupper; nopardons; metesky; ...
While we are on the subject of bad for health these nanny state do gooders that are so intent on banning everything but bean turds and tofu are ticking me off so much im getting an ulcer and ulcers can kill people if left untreated. Can we now have all those health nazis banned for being a danger to the public health?

EXCELLENT idea!!!!!!!!

Nanny State Ping........

34 posted on 05/10/2006 6:55:37 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: freepatriot32
We have these sorts of labels in Canada for cigarettes. Blackened lungs, etc too. Lots of variety. With socialized healthcare popping up in the US now, you will no doubt see these things too.

How long before we see pictures of fat people on ice cream? When it happens here, I'll post pictures of the containers so you will know what to expect.

35 posted on 05/10/2006 6:56:52 AM PDT by M203M4
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To: tonycavanagh
But anything that helps us with the Children I am all for.

Incidentally my two children are a lot more behave since we switched from cola to smoothies as summer time drinks.

When did the government tell you to switch your kids from cola to smoothies? Since you obviously do not think parents are the ones who should make such decisions, I'm curious.

36 posted on 05/10/2006 10:32:18 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: freepatriot32
“ice-cream-free”exclusion zones

ROFL!!!
They slid down the slippry slope from drug free zones to ice cream free zones. Talk about mission creep!
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37 posted on 05/10/2006 11:03:10 AM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: Gabz

Hate to say it, but it looks like the prediction is accurate.


38 posted on 05/10/2006 11:16:26 AM PDT by CSM (I went to the gas station this weekend and it was so popular that I had to wait for a pump. D-Chivas)
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To: CSM

But, it's for the chilllllllllldreun............./dripping sarcasm


39 posted on 05/10/2006 11:20:48 AM PDT by Gabz (Smokers are the beta version)
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To: mugs99
“ice-cream-free”exclusion zones ROFL!!! They slid down the slippry slope from drug free zones to ice cream free zones. Talk about mission creep!

Maybe the fines could be doubled for selling ice cream in a school zone.
40 posted on 05/10/2006 12:25:08 PM PDT by jackieaxe (Democrats are mired in a culture of screwing English speaking, taxpaying, law abiding citizens!)
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To: jackieaxe
Maybe the fines could be doubled for selling ice cream in a school zone

Throw the evil Ice Cream Lords in prison!
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41 posted on 05/10/2006 12:30:20 PM PDT by mugs99 (Don't take life too seriously, you won't get out alive.)
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To: freepatriot32

We got one in our neighborhood. Plays "Yellow Rose of Texas".


42 posted on 05/10/2006 12:41:11 PM PDT by Wolfie
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To: Gabz

You GOTTA BE SHI77ING ME. Good Lord. This butting into our lives must end, as these people are INSANE.
I really,at this time,am at a loss for words.


43 posted on 05/10/2006 12:41:15 PM PDT by 383rr ((those who choose security over liberty deserve neither; GUN CONTROL=SLAVERY)
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To: freepatriot32
Chris Waterman, the executive director of the Confederation of Education and Children’s Services Managers, said ice-cream vans should be restricted. “There are millions going into healthy food in schools, yet kids are rushing to spend their money on food from mobile vans,” he said.

More than anything else in the world, I can't stand the nanny staters and their busybody selves.

God, their self-importance just grates me to no end.

44 posted on 05/10/2006 12:46:05 PM PDT by VeniVidiVici (ICE, ICE Baby.)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
re :Since you obviously do not think parents are the ones who should make such decisions, I'm curious.

When did I say that, LOL way to go to misquote me.

The article is not about banning Ice Cream, but about not letting ice cream vans tout for business outside schools.

In these cases since the parent is not around they have no choice in the matter as to whether they say yay or nay.

45 posted on 05/11/2006 12:47:13 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: Hatteras

Ahh! I DO remember! One more reason to be glad I was a child in the fifties.


46 posted on 05/11/2006 12:52:02 AM PDT by RichRepublican (Some days you're the windshield--some days you're the bug.)
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To: tonycavanagh
In these cases since the parent is not around they have no choice in the matter as to whether they say yay or nay.

I guess it takes a village, eh?

47 posted on 05/11/2006 11:44:05 AM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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To: Da Bilge Troll
re :I guess it takes a village, eh?

To do what have a Village fair, a Village Ball, or a Village to retire to.

I thought we were talking about ice cream.

48 posted on 05/12/2006 12:43:57 AM PDT by tonycavanagh (We got plenty of doomsayers where are the truth sayers)
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To: tonycavanagh
This village. LOL!
49 posted on 05/12/2006 12:14:48 PM PDT by Da Bilge Troll (Defeatism is not a winning strategy!)
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