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To: Rokke

Real conservatives don't cut and run from their values. You seem to have misplaced the operational part of the phrase while accusing others of leaving a party that left them. Real conservatives will fight on. With that I will agree. But, a third party pulling in the Conservative base and Reagan Democrats is the money bet until and unless the GOP gets its collective head out of it's backside and starts acting in the interests of this country instead of subjugating them to aspirations of Globalist anti-Americans with no loyalty to anything but themselves and greenbacks. I agree with the war whole heartedly and think we should stay there till the job is done. Never have thought differently. On the other hand, being a wartime party doesn't give the GOP a buy on patriotism off the battlefield. They're screwing America at the workplace, at the borders and everywhere that they decide greed is better than patriotism. This is a soveriegn nation built on it's own strengths. It is being destroyed right now economically for the sake of Globalist aspirations. The garaunteed loser here is going down with a sinking ship while spouting off about how doing the right thing is maintaining the status quo instead of forcing the issue and fixing the problems.
If you want to be a party whore, that's your problem. I'm sick of the twin party pimps lying every four years to keep each other in power and simultaneously not doing what's right for the country and pretending that they are.

The WTO treaty is proof enough that none of these unpatriotic quacks belong in Washington.. not one of them.
They don't read the treaty, don't have a clue what's in it and pass it in an unconstitutional fashion usurping authority not granted by treaty powers and subjecting us to a world court from which there is no appeal. Everyone who voted for that treaty should be impeached and the president along with them for deriliction of duty in allowing it to stand. The mindset that allowed that is the same mindset from which the immigration problem proceeds. They cannot be divorced from one another - the same things are driving it..
Greed and Globalist power mongering.

Real conservatives do what's right for the country - not some two bit party that can't remember who it showed up to the wedding with, or the party later, or the home, bedroom, etc. The GOP has become a monied bunch of Johns looking at America as though it were a Brothel. They are no different from the Dems on that score. And unless they get their head wired back to their shoulders, they'll have more to worry about than what R. Lee Ermy would do to them.. They've made deal breaker decision after deal breaker decision and you act like a bunch of liberals in thinking there should be no consequences for it. If you want to act like liberals, don't talk to me about what 'real conservatives' would do.
Real conservatives do what's right for the country and beliee in accountability. They are not mutually exclusive things. And no party is owed loyalty because of what they Say they are inspite of their actions. The Dems are still trying to come to terms with that after quite a while out of power. If you aren't any smarter than them, you don't deserve to be in power anyway.


56 posted on 05/11/2006 2:33:59 AM PDT by Havoc (Evolutionists and Democrats: "We aren't getting our message out" (coincidence?))
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To: Havoc

Ross Perot. President Clinton.


60 posted on 05/11/2006 2:42:58 AM PDT by Jim Robinson
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To: Havoc
"Real conservatives don't cut and run from their values."

You are correct.

"You seem to have misplaced the operational part of the phrase while accusing others of leaving a party that left them."

Are you talking about "the Conservative Party"? And they "left" you? Sorry, but I support candidates that most closely support my views. And when I can't do that, I vote against the party that least closely represents my views. But I always vote. And until "the Conservative Party" fields a candidate, I will be voting for Republicans or against Democrats.

"They're screwing America at the workplace, at the borders and everywhere that they decide greed is better than patriotism."

That's your opinion. Now perhaps you could find me a Democrat candidate that will more closely fit your values than Republicans like Tancrado or JD Hayworth. And perhaps you can find a Democrat that will appoint conservative judges and get them through a Democrat Congress. Good luck.

"It is being destroyed right now economically for the sake of Globalist aspirations."

More opinion. Our economy is purring along just fine. In fact, almost better than ever.

"right thing is maintaining the status quo"

Who said anything about maintaining the status quo? I'm the one talking about "taking new ground". You are the one talking about sitting on your hands next election.

"Everyone who voted for that treaty should be impeached and the president along with them for deriliction of duty in allowing it to stand."

Do you even realize how ridiculous you sound?

"And no party is owed loyalty because of what they Say they are inspite of their actions."

You've really let your emotions separate you from reality. No one is asking you to have loyalty to a party. Jim certainly isn't. The whole point is to use the tools you have to achieve your goals. Right now, like it or not, the best tools you have in national politics are Republicans in control of Congress. I challenge you to explain why a Democrat controlled Congress would be more helpful in achieving conservative goals. When a conservative candidate is on the ballot, by all means vote for him. Fight for him. Do everything you can to get him elected. But on Nov. 2, when you are looking at your actual ballot and have a choice of voting Democrat or Republican, think about who will benefit YOUR cause more. If the answer is Speaker of the House Pelosi and Senate Majority Leader Harry Reid, then you accepting defeat and have given up on advancing Conservative efforts. I think that is a weak, defeatist approach.

153 posted on 05/11/2006 7:40:40 AM PDT by Rokke
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To: Havoc; Rokke; joanie-f
"This is a soveriegn nation built on it's own strengths. It is being destroyed right now economically for the sake of Globalist aspirations. The garaunteed loser here is going down with a sinking ship while spouting off about how doing the right thing is maintaining the status quo instead of forcing the issue and fixing the problems.
If you want to be a party whore, that's your problem. I'm sick of the twin party pimps lying every four years to keep each other in power and simultaneously not doing what's right for the country and pretending that they are."

Harsh but very, very accurate. Some here will be unable to accept your words because they hold up a mirror with a reflection that is just too painful. It is far more comfortable to simply stumble along mumbling the usual thin-soup justifications for sticking with the same Washington pecksniffs who have proven, again and again, they want no part of the conservative agenda--other than to talk it to death.

444 posted on 05/12/2006 1:29:38 PM PDT by Czar (StillFedUptotheTeeth@Washington)
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