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Reversing Course on Electronic Voting Some Former Backers of Technology Seek Return to Paper Ballots
WSJ ^ | May 12, 2006 | JEANNE CUMMINGS

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:30:36 AM PDT by Brilliant

Some advocates of a 2002 law mandating upgrades of the nation's voting machinery now worry the overhaul is making things worse.

With the 2006 midterm elections approaching, proponents of the Help America Vote Act are filing lawsuits to block some state and election officials' efforts to comply with the act.

The Help America Vote Act called for upgrading election equipment to guard against another contested outcome such as the 2000 presidential vote. Among the flaws in balloting almost six years ago were antiquated hand-operated voting machines and punch-card ballots that were difficult to read. To redress that, members of Congress pushed for modernization, which could include touch-screen voting machines...

The lawsuits -- nine so far -- coincide with a stampede by state and county officials to spend $3 billion allocated by Congress to help pay for upgrades. To comply with the Help America Vote Act, a number of states and dozens of counties purchased touch-screen voting machines. The deadline for spending the money is tied to each state's 2006 primary dates...

The Help America Vote Act "has been turned on its head and it's causing more problems than solutions at this point," says Lowell Finley, a San Francisco lawyer and cofounder of Voter Action, a nonpartisan organization that is bringing some of the lawsuits...

Critics of the touch-screen voting method are following two lines of attack: the machines are unreliable and some local election officials have become too dependent on an industry that already has too much control over testing and operating the sophisticated equipment...

Despite common charges that the machines lack adequate security, no cases have emerged proving that a hacker or an insider has or could electronically manipulate the vote...

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TOPICS: Politics/Elections
KEYWORDS: diebold; vote; voting
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When Bush blew Gore away in 2000, the Dems figured they could not win elections except by cheating. Hence they hatched the shake up of the election system. Now that Bush's poll numbers are at 29%, they figure that they can't lose unless someone cheats. So they are trying to undo the shenanigans they've already pulled.
1 posted on 05/12/2006 5:30:39 AM PDT by Brilliant
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To: Brilliant
The Dems probably haven't won an election in the last 60 years without cheating.

It's the very foundation of their electoral policies.

What's going on here is that the leftwingnuts in Brazil ran with Lula and electronic touchscreen voting. He won. The Dems figured they would also win ~ being leftwingnuts and all.

They figured wrong. No reason for Republicans to turn their backs on this proven technology.

2 posted on 05/12/2006 5:34:55 AM PDT by muawiyah (-)
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To: muawiyah

How can anyone object to voter ID with a straight face? Let me know when the results in NYC, Chicago, Philadelphia, and Detroit are verifiable. Til then I am snoozing.


3 posted on 05/12/2006 5:38:59 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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To: Brilliant
Bush's number will have no effect on the House and Senate races. That said the real truth of HAVA is coming out.
Simply put HAVA is about the best trick we have pulled on the rat in a long time. The poor stupid bastard was bought off by a few dollars and we got photo ID and electronics out of it. It was really pitiful how the rat fell for HAVA but now he's caught by his tail and that's that!
4 posted on 05/12/2006 5:42:05 AM PDT by jmaroneps37 (John Spencer: Fighting to save America from Hillary Clinton.)
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To: Brilliant

With all this pining and nostalgia for paper ballots, does "secret ballot" every come up in the debate? Or was that key concept expunged from the public consciousness?


5 posted on 05/12/2006 5:44:18 AM PDT by Freedom4US (a)
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To: Brilliant

For everyone's education

Open Vote Consortium - http://www.openvotingconsortium.org/


6 posted on 05/12/2006 5:54:04 AM PDT by taxcontrol
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To: Brilliant
When Bush blew Gore away in 2000, the Dems figured they could not win elections except by cheating. Hence they hatched the shake up of the election system.

Nonsense. The Dems tried to win 2000 by cheating as they have since Boss Tweed and Tammny Hall in the 1860s. The Dem Party has become the Urban Party with big city political machines manufacturing the votes they need to win. They have repeatedly blocked voter identification, advocated such "reforms" as motor voter, rushed through the citizenship of immigrants prior to the 1996 election, registered illegal aliens to vote, pushed for the lifting of voting restrictions on convicted felons, and now are defending bilingual ballots. The Dems can only win through cheating.

Bush didn't blow Gore away in 2000, Gore received more popular votes nationally and Bush took Florida by a few hundred votes. The Dems want to get rid of the electoral college so they win by cheating in the big cities.

Now that Bush's poll numbers are at 29%, they figure that they can't lose unless someone cheats. So they are trying to undo the shenanigans they've already pulled.

Voter fraud is a major problem in this country and it is being perpetrated by the Dems. They want to switch back to paper ballots because they are easier to manufacture. I can recall a Florida Dem campaign worker being found with a punch card machine in her trunk.

7 posted on 05/12/2006 5:57:28 AM PDT by kabar
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But of course, the left knows full well that electronic voting is not tamper proof. No way to bring suddenly discovered bags of paper ballots from the hinterlands to change the true outcome of an election.


8 posted on 05/12/2006 6:02:20 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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...and punch-card ballots that were difficult to read.

Yeah, OK. You have to be able to read for reading to be difficult, have at least rudimentary skills, like "knowing the frikkin' alphabet"!

FMCDH(BITS)

9 posted on 05/12/2006 6:02:38 AM PDT by nothingnew (I fear for my Republic due to marxist influence in our government. Open eyes/see)
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OOOPPPPSSSSS. Make that electronic voting is NOW tamper proof.


10 posted on 05/12/2006 6:02:59 AM PDT by OldFriend (I Pledge Allegiance to the Flag.....and My Heart to the Soldier Who Protects It.)
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Sure go to paper ballots. How soon before some anti-American dumbocrap leaks NSA info that the government has a huge database of finger prints gleaned from paper ballots so they know who voted for whom.

Some people are just too dumb to vote. The lefts solution lets bring everything in society down to the dumbest person.

11 posted on 05/12/2006 6:20:18 AM PDT by Wurlitzer (The difference between democrats and terrorists is the terrorists don't claim to support the troops)
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***How can anyone object to voter ID with a straight face?**

Not real well.......
Looks like Dean is going to face a subpeona in Indiana over his Comments.....


12 posted on 05/12/2006 6:22:39 AM PDT by tcrlaf (ot)
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I missed that. What's the story?

Do you ever feel as if Republicans are being suckers to clean up balloting while Dems just laugh and keep on doing what they have been doing. Count on three weeks to produce a democratic victor in WA, for instance.

13 posted on 05/12/2006 6:45:51 AM PDT by ClaireSolt (.)
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"With all this pining and nostalgia for paper ballots, does "secret ballot" every come up in the debate? Or was that key concept expunged from the public consciousness?"

Whatever makes you think that paper ballots are NOT secret??? There is no "personal identifying mark" on a paper ballot.

Best of all worlds is what we have here in Washington. Voter marks paper ballot, feeds it into a machine reader, machine reader "checks" ballot and returns it if incorrect for another try (unreadable marks, not fully filled out, double votes for same office, etc.), and then, once correctly filled out, STORES THE PAPER BALLOT INTERNALLY in a sealed bin so the paper ballot can be used for verification.

14 posted on 05/12/2006 6:47:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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"How soon before some anti-American dumbocrap leaks NSA info that the government has a huge database of finger prints gleaned from paper ballots so they know who voted for whom."

And how, exactly, will they know whose fingerprints those are?? There is no national registry of fingerprints--just the FBI registry of fingerprints of CRIMINALS.

15 posted on 05/12/2006 6:50:59 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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To: ClaireSolt

Dean claimed that hundreds of people were disenfranchised by Indiana's new Voter ID law during the primaries...

Yet when the State Dem Party was asked to provide the NAMES of those people, they REFUSED.....

That's interfering with the investigation of a CRIME, and the AG intends to pursue it......
Freedom of polispeech doesn't apply when you accuse someone of a CRIME.....


16 posted on 05/12/2006 6:53:18 AM PDT by tcrlaf (ot)
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To: Wonder Warthog

Because these pinheads to day are clamoring for a "receipt" as part of a paper trail. That means they can exchange their ballot directly for goodies. I'm no crook, so maybe their good-word is sufficient, dunno. Pretty much these days everyone wears their vote on their sleeve.


17 posted on 05/12/2006 6:55:58 AM PDT by Freedom4US (a)
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To: kabar
Voter fraud is a major problem in this country and it is being perpetrated by the Dems. They want to switch back to paper ballots because they are easier to manufacture. I can recall a Florida Dem campaign worker being found with a punch card machine in her trunk.

No one is going back to punch cards. The paper ballots used in Florida cannot be manufactured or padded. The ballots are numbered and the numbers can be audited against the numbers signed for by the voters. This type of ballot has a nearly 100 percent record on recounts. Even in the 2000 Florida recount.

18 posted on 05/12/2006 7:02:45 AM PDT by js1138
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To: Brilliant
Right now, probably the best method for ballots is the mark-sense method of paper ballots using the same technology as that on a Scantron sheet used on many standardized tests.

When such a ballot is marked with a pen or small ink stamp, it's almost impossible to get mismarked ballots since the inked area is both easily readable by machine and hand counts.

19 posted on 05/12/2006 7:03:50 AM PDT by RayChuang88
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"Because these pinheads to day are clamoring for a "receipt" as part of a paper trail. That means they can exchange their ballot directly for goodies. I'm no crook, so maybe their good-word is sufficient, dunno. Pretty much these days everyone wears their vote on their sleeve."

The "receipt" only applies to paperless electronic voting (which I think is totally un-acceptable--too easy for someone to "hack the program"). In the system I described, there is no need for any "receipt". I fail to see what "..exchange their ballot directly for goodies " has to do with ballot security.

20 posted on 05/12/2006 7:17:36 AM PDT by Wonder Warthog (The Hog of Steel-NRA)
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