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2002 Document: Plan To Produce Mobile Laboratories (Translation)
Pentagon/FMSO website for Iraq Pre-war documents ^ | May 12 2006 | jveritas

Posted on 05/12/2006 5:53:14 AM PDT by jveritas

Document CMPC-2004-006626 dated November 11 2002 talks about a plan to develop MOBILE LABORATORIES. The document is from a company called Ibn Rushd which is subsidiary of the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC). As many of us know, the debate about the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories has been going on for the over three years. The Iraq Survey Group (ISG) indicated in their 2004 report ( http://www.cia.gov/cia/reports/iraq_wmd_2004/chap6_annxC.html ) that the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories were used for agricultural purposes “Seed Purification Project” that concluded in 1997. In fact I found a document dated 1997 (Document CMPC-2004-005680 ) that talks about a Mobile Seed Laboratory. However the year 1997 indicated in the ISG report as the concluding phase of the “Seed Purification Project” and the Mobile Laboratories related to it can be an important date since this document about a plan to build Mobile Laboratories is dated November 2002. Also it is noteworthy to mention that Ibn Rushd the Iraqi MIC subsidiary was one of the companies suspected in developing Iraq Biological and Chemical Programs.

I will do a partial translation of document CMPC-2004-006626.

Beginning of the translation of page 1

In the name of God the Most Merciful the Most Compassionate

Presidency of the Republic

Military Industrialization Commission

Ibn Rushd General Company

Number 10025611018

Date 11/11/2002

To: Military Industrialization Commission/Department of Projects

Subject: Investment Plan for the year 2003

In regards from the letter singed with you on 12/10/2002 regarding our company investment plan to the year mentioned above, included is the technical report according to the letter showing its details below:

1. Develop and enlarge existing laboratories, 178,000,000 Dinars

2. Prepare MOBILE LABORATORIES , In Iraqi Dinar 128,413,00 + 273,445 Euros with 10 Dinar/Euro, 27,344,500, 155,757,500 Dinars.

Total 333,757,500 Dinars

Remark: The cost of the vehicles related to the Mobile Laboratories is not determined yet.

Please review and do what is necessary… with regards

Attachements:

1.Table fof quantity+ The plan related of developing the Laboratories

2.

Signature…

Noor Al Din Abed Al Hadi

The General Director

11/11/2002

End of translation of page 1

Partial translation of page 2

Table of electrical equipments and devices of the Mobile Laboratory

Partial translation of page 3

Table of electrical equipments and devices of the Mobile Laboratory

Measurement device for the speed of vibration

Measurement device for the speed of rotation

Ultrasonic wave test device

Different pressure measurement devices

Mobile testing device for metals

X-Ray testing device

20 Kilovolt electric generator

End of partial translation of page 3



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To: jveritas
Thanks.

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51 posted on 05/12/2006 1:31:35 PM PDT by Lurker (Anyone who doesn't demand an immediate end to illegal immigration is aiding the flesh trade.)
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To: bnelson44
Seems to just be nipping at the edges. Where are the smoking guns?

A trek of a thousand miles starts with the first step. Jveritas has taken many difficult steps, have patience FRiend.

52 posted on 05/12/2006 1:34:04 PM PDT by jazusamo (-- Married a WAC in '65 and I'm still reenlisting. :-)
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To: bnelson44
--- Seems to just be nipping at the edges. Where are the smoking guns? ---

The "smoking gun" was 12 years of 17 breached UNSCRs of disarmament obligations by a regime proven to use WMD against innocent civilians.

53 posted on 05/12/2006 1:47:27 PM PDT by avacado
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To: jveritas

SMOKING GUN!!
Too bad Americans will NEVER hear this, isn't it??


55 posted on 05/12/2006 2:38:42 PM PDT by tcrlaf (ot)
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To: cake_crumb

Sadly, that is the media accepted version of what these labs were for...

Anything we say about it now jjust gets dismissed as propoganda. Sad state of affairs, isn't it??


56 posted on 05/12/2006 2:41:19 PM PDT by tcrlaf (ot)
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To: jveritas

Let me ask the obvious question: why do you need a mobile laboratory to "purify" seeds? Unless I miss my guess, it's a lot easier and cheaper to move the seeds to a laboratory than to move the laboratory to the seeds.


59 posted on 05/12/2006 3:47:25 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: JustDoItAlways

"I cannot think of what kind of mobile lab would need that kind of equipment."

Aren't there some agents that are carried by a shell in two parts, and only become toxic when they mix after the shell bursts? Could have something to do with developing those types of weapons.


60 posted on 05/12/2006 4:03:28 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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To: jveritas

Dude you rock bud!!!


61 posted on 05/12/2006 4:27:26 PM PDT by Dog ( One of the original members of The Thread Hijackers™.)
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To: bnelson44
Huh?

Maybe you need to translate the documents....why you hassling Joseph.

62 posted on 05/12/2006 4:28:49 PM PDT by Dog ( One of the original members of The Thread Hijackers™.)
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To: Dog; jveritas

Sorry,
Don't mean to hassel him. He is doing a fantastic job.


63 posted on 05/12/2006 4:36:33 PM PDT by bnelson44 (Proud parent of a tanker! (Charlie Mike, son))
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To: jveritas

Once again, YOU ROCK! Great work, J! :^)


64 posted on 05/12/2006 4:56:29 PM PDT by Shelayne (Antique Media--losing value everyday...)
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To: jveritas

Thanks yet again. Your work shall bear fruit in due time.


65 posted on 05/12/2006 5:29:15 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: popdonnelly

Agreed 100%.


66 posted on 05/12/2006 6:49:29 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: tcrlaf

Not enough are hearing about this, not nearly enough.


67 posted on 05/12/2006 6:50:27 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Dog

Thanks Dog :)


68 posted on 05/12/2006 6:51:21 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

69 posted on 05/12/2006 7:47:46 PM PDT by COEXERJ145 (Real Leaders Base Their Decisions on Their Convictions. Wannabes Base Decisions on the Latest Poll.)
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To: jveritas
--- Not enough are hearing about this, not nearly enough. ---

It will happen.

70 posted on 05/12/2006 9:03:04 PM PDT by avacado
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To: jveritas

Your service is invaluable. You are a validator for human purpose, and not a tool of nationalism. This is not about justifying war, but about thwarting cataclysm. History will honor your efforts.


71 posted on 05/12/2006 9:20:11 PM PDT by Tulsa Ramjet ("If not now, when?")
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To: JustDoItAlways; jveritas

Doesn't sound much like equipment needed for "Seed Purification"

Thanks again, jveritas.

Been missing your posts.

Hope you had a nice vacation.


72 posted on 05/12/2006 11:17:48 PM PDT by GEC
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To: jveritas

I read this and other work you have posted and yet I never hear anything in the media.

To be honest, it really makes me sad that the MSM really no longer cares about the truth, but instead they only care about thier agenda.


73 posted on 05/13/2006 6:25:51 AM PDT by jrestrepo
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To: jveritas

Partial translation of page 3

Table of electrical equipments and devices of the Mobile Laboratory

Measurement device for the speed of vibration
(thermometer, speed controlled mixing device, centrifuge or other rotational equipment monitor)

Measurement device for the speed of rotation
(centrifuge, magnetic mixing device)

Ultrasonic wave test device (internal integrity monitor, chemical analysis?, volumetric monitor,)


Different pressure measurement devices (self explanatory)

Mobile testing device for metals (metal integrity testing, metal composition testing)

X-Ray testing device (similar to ultrasonic testing device)

20 Kilovolt electric generator (generators are usually measured in outpout wattage, not voltage, however, if the amperage is a known constant, total output is available, otherwise, the voltage necessary could indicate use of specific equipment in a lab, 20kV is high voltage for plug in the wall equipment, low compared to transmission line voltages, could indicate a furnace (carbon vacuum reduction?) or other heating device, more likely either misidentification, problem with translation, or improper terminology in IDing the generator used to power the entire laboratory truck)

End of partial translation of page 3





If you can provide a full translation of the equipment list, I will run it past a retired doctorate organic chemist with 30+ years of experience in high end labs and ~40 US patents for analysis of intent and capability. I know enough chemistry to know there's not enough information in this partial list of equipment to narrow down the lab's intended use.


74 posted on 05/13/2006 6:44:33 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: GEC

Thank you very much, I will be in Italy on business but I will try to connect to FR at every opportunity :)


75 posted on 05/13/2006 7:14:22 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: avacado

I hope so my fellow freeper.


76 posted on 05/13/2006 7:17:16 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: Tulsa Ramjet

Thank you very much TR, I think I am not that important for history to remember me :)


77 posted on 05/13/2006 7:18:57 AM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

I think I remember shortly after we were in Iraq, soldiers found what they thought to be mobile laboratories of some sort. Interesting.


78 posted on 05/13/2006 9:51:46 AM PDT by tillacum
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To: JustDoItAlways
Vibration and rotation sound like something associated with mixing which would be critical to making binary chemical weapons ready for action. Or preparing solutions for spraying which could be agriculturally related OR bio/chem weaponry.

Ultrasounds for cattle?

Pressure measurement for spraying?

X-ray machine for veterinary purposes?
79 posted on 05/13/2006 10:33:38 PM PDT by justshutupandtakeit (If you believe ANYTHING in the Treason Media you are a fool.)
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To: jveritas
Bookmarked for posterity...........
81 posted on 05/14/2006 8:10:26 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: jeffers
20kV is high voltage for plug in the wall equipment

No kidding!:-)

They likely mean 20KW. This would equate to about a 80-100 amp continuous load with about a 120A peak. for most applications. It would be enough to run refrigeration/or small pumps, AC/Heat and general lighting, and would likely be a three phase output for added power reserve. It would be enough to power a couple of mobile labs.

82 posted on 05/14/2006 8:17:02 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Cold Heat

Agree 100%, probably not even an error of translation, just one of the many spots where thier words don't exactly equate to ours. Still, in the absence of absolute proof, best to allow for both possibilities. I'm not aware of much lab equipment (good place to stop and point out the differecne between a lab, used for research, and a production facility, different beast all together) that runs on what is essentially transmission voltage, but that doesn't mean it doesn't exist.

I spoke with the chemist, he agrees, not enough info here to try to reconstruct intent and purpose. That said....the word "centrifuge" popped into our conversation a few times too many for my pleasure. Yes, no self respecting cascade fits into a truck, but a single unit for test purposes is a different matter altogether.


83 posted on 05/14/2006 8:26:44 AM PDT by jeffers
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To: jeffers
High voltages are achieved with transformers, not generators. The actual generator develops a relatively low voltage with high amperage. Then you transform or shape it to whatever you need.

Packaged generators come preassembled for different apps. but never do they have a 20kv output.

To get that, you simply attach the required transformer.

This is the basics of it and it is important to understand that 20kv is a very dangerous voltage to play with. You need clearances and insulators between conductors so that the stuff does not jump between phases or to ground (several inches)and cause a explosion. I seriously doubt they would need anything that high, except for certain lab equipment, and in that case the power supply is feed with a normal 240VAC input and the voltages are created internally by the various power supplies built into the equipment.

A generator at a utility power plant, for example, has a output of less than 100 volts, usually down around 60 or less.. Everything else is done with transformers.

84 posted on 05/14/2006 8:41:16 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: jeffers
BTW, the electrical lingo in pretty much international. I wonder if the designator was KVA rather than KV or KW.

KVA (kilo volt amperes) is interchangeable with KW. and means essentially the same thing, 20 thousand watts potential at rated voltage, whatever that is, and the common international and industrial output is 240VAC in either single or 3 phase output.

85 posted on 05/14/2006 8:47:53 AM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: jveritas

Just as an FYI, I've posted this at CQ with some dot-connecting as an assist to some readers. Outstanding work as always, Joseph.

http://www.captainsquartersblog.com/mt/archives/006981.php

Drop me a line sometime, love to do an interview with you.


86 posted on 05/14/2006 10:23:45 AM PDT by Captain Ed (Thus every blogger, in his kind, is bit by him who comes behind.)
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To: jeffers; Cold Heat; jveritas; bnelson44; popdonnelly; Marine_Uncle; Captain Ed
The point....that this document is not specific on a lot of items ....is true.....BUT when overlaid with an understanding of the Orginazions that issue or are referenced....they take on a whole new meaning....

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Captain's Quarter's Captain Ed says it much better than I ccould:

Saddam Was Into RVs (Updated And Bumped)
May 14, 2006

********************************AN EXCERPT *************************************

Joseph Shahda has uncovered another document of interest from the files of intelligence captured by US forces during the fall of Saddam Hussein. This document addresses a still-controversial topic -- the mobile laboratories cited by Colin Powell as one of Saddam's WMD capabilities and discovered during the 2003 invasion. Later investigators determined these trailers to be hydrogen-gas production facilities although some experts still dispute that conclusion.

The document translated by Shahda does not provide many details itself, but does show that the project for which the labs were built attracted high-level interest for equipment supposedly only suitable for meteorological research:

Beginning of the translation of page 1..........................................................................................

.....................................................

Nothing in this document says anything explicit about chemical or biological weapons. However, some disquieting indicators exist that tend to argue against the weather-balloon explanation we have so far heard about the trailers. First and foremost, the Military Industrialization Committee was not just an ordinary procurement board for the Saddam regime. It had primary responsibility for the Iraqi WMD program before the Gulf War, and presumably afterwards as well. Its director, Abdul Tawab el-Mullah Howeish held the position of Deputy Prime Minister, a Cabinet-level position.

..............................................................


87 posted on 05/14/2006 10:33:04 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
The link to Captain's Quarters is a MUST READ for any one seriously following JV's Translation Work....
88 posted on 05/14/2006 10:37:09 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Matchett-PI; Dog; Coop; Cap Huff; Allegra; Dog Gone; Calpernia; backhoe; PA Engineer; hawkaw; ...

See post #87 & 88......CQ shows us why this document says much more than what is contained in the actual document!!!!!!!!!


89 posted on 05/14/2006 10:48:24 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Cap Huff; Dog; Coop; AdmSmith; jmc1969; Straight Vermonter; Wiz; Marine_Uncle; NormsRevenge; ...

See post #87 & 88......CQ shows us why this document says much more than what is contained in the actual document!!!!!!!!!


90 posted on 05/14/2006 10:49:46 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: All
From Security WatchTower:

2002 Iraqi Document talks of plan for mobile laboratories
May 14, 2006

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Iraqdocs has translated the latest Iraqi document (CMPC-2004-006626) captured after the fall of the Saddam Hussein regime, written by a company called Ibn Rushd to the Iraqi Military Industrialization Commission (MIC).

The translator of the November 2002 document points out that the Iraqi Mobile Laboratories "were used for agricultural purposes 'Seed Purification Project' that concluded in 1997," and also highlights the fact that Ibn Rushd, the Iraqi MIC subsidiary, was one of the companies suspected in developing Iraq Biological and Chemical Programs.

Previous SWT Briefings on Iraqi Documents

Posted by C.S. Scott at May 14, 2006 02:21 AM

91 posted on 05/14/2006 11:13:39 AM PDT by Ernest_at_the_Beach (History is soon Forgotten,)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; jveritas; Chena; Valin; M. Thatcher; DocRock; Calpernia; Madame Dufarge; ...
Thanks for the ping Ernest!.

Prewardocs pingees, please see posts #87 and 88 for more info on the mobile labs.

92 posted on 05/14/2006 11:39:49 AM PDT by eyespysomething (When Chuck Norris falls in water, Chuck Norris doesn't get wet. Water gets Chuck Norris.)
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach; oldglory; MinuteGal; JulieRNR21; mcmuffin; sheikdetailfeather
"See post #87 & 88......CQ shows us why this document says much more than what is contained in the actual document!!!!!!!!!"

Thanks for the heads up! This link is going out to my email lists to be transmitted far and wide.

93 posted on 05/14/2006 11:44:07 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ( "History does not long entrust the care of freedom to the weak or the timid." -- Dwight Eisenhower)
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To: jeffers; Cold Heat

I made an error it is KW not KV, you are right.


94 posted on 05/14/2006 12:12:24 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas

We must remember there is a difference between WMD and Saddam's posession of UN banned weapons.

We went to Iraq because of Saddam's failure to abide by the cease-fire agreement, which in my opinion meant that the 1st Gulf War never actually ended. Not only was he shooting at our planes but the UN instpectors (when they were allowed free access) continued to find UN banned weapons. The inspectors found them, they were not being handed over by Saddam's regime. I believe once Saddam saw that his UN banned weapons were not safe from the UN inspectors, it was then that he began to be less cooperative and began adding all the conditions and increased trickery to the UN inspectors up to the beginning of the war. After the invasion our troops continued to find UN banned weapons. Furthermore, in the post 911 world, Saddam's involvement with terrorists (ie $25,000 checks to the families of Palestinian suicide bombers) actually trumps everything written before this sentence.
I honestly do not remember Bush telling the American people that Saddam has WMD (he never had to, Saddam had used them on his own people). I do remember several speeches where Bush had said that we can not allow Saddam to posess Weapons Of Mass Destruction as he would be able to hold peace in the Middle East hostage and peace in the world. I've heard speeches where Bush had announced that if we allow Saddam time to develop and posess WMD it would change the politcal situation in the Middle East where Saddam would have an upper hand and be able to have more room to manipulate policy in the Middle East.
Yes, we all know what the democrats have said about WMD from 1998 on up to the beginning of the most recent war in Iraq. We have their quotes. We've posted them. We exposed them. Honestly, I remember the democrats claiming Saddam had WMD more than I can Bush ever doing so.
I have been trying to find these Bush speeches where he talked about how we cannot allow Saddam to posess WMD. Has the GOP postted them in text anywhere on the net?
I think it's time to contrast to the American people just what the dems had said about WMD with what I have heard Bush say about the dangers of giving Saddam time to develop them.
We did not go to Iraq because we thought he had WMD. If Bush had said that, I would have hesitated to support him sending in ground troops. The WMD issue was only a factor in the decision that we should go SOONER rather than wait until he already had them.
Now that we got the dems quotes out there...it's time we start searching for these pre-war Bush quotes.


95 posted on 05/14/2006 12:54:14 PM PDT by MaineVoter2002 (http://jednet207.tripod.com/PoliticalLinks.html)
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To: jeffers; Cold Heat

My bad, it is 20 Kilo Volts, I just review the document again. But you may be right may be they have wrongly typed it KV when they really meant KW.


96 posted on 05/14/2006 1:19:02 PM PDT by jveritas (Hate can never win elections.)
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To: jveritas
Engineers do it all the time. They also substitute KVA for KW when KVA is more of a transformer rating as is reactance and inductance. A gen-set rating would look like 30KW max 240/120 VAC. Or in some cases VDC.

To get 30KV you would transform the Gen output with a step up and lose ampacity in the process but the obtainable potential voltage has few limits but the imagination.

97 posted on 05/14/2006 2:08:08 PM PDT by Cold Heat
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To: Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks for ping. Had checked out earlier on. I have mixed feelings about just what type apparatus could be involved.
98 posted on 05/14/2006 2:43:07 PM PDT by Marine_Uncle (Honor must be earned)
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To: justshutupandtakeit

"Vibration and rotation sound like something associated with mixing which would be critical to making binary chemical weapons ready for action"

I was thinking along those same lines. Doesn't sound like there's anything in there useful for "seed purification". These are the sorts of simple questions the U.N. should have been asking, and didn't.


99 posted on 05/14/2006 3:55:05 PM PDT by popdonnelly
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